The Return of Yeshua in the Year 6,000 From Creation and How Many Years Are Left

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posthuman

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Please explain a bit further my friend. I am intrigued?
well i don't really know the answer to this. i just know there's a glaring open question.
because this is what Psalm 90:4 actually says:


For a thousand years in Thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
(Psalm 90:4)
and that a lot of people read this, ignore the "and as a watch in the night" and change "but as yesterday" into "= 1 day"
so they think they've found an equation for translating '
human time' into 'God time'


but if i know anything about equations, i know you can't just drop off half of one and expect to get a right answer.
if this is an equation, then it's


1,000 years = 1 day = 4 hours

i don't know why people flip out over 1000yr = 1d and pretend the same verse doesn't also say 1000yr = 4hr. i guess reading the whole verse makes it messy and complex? people like simple, but God it seems likes complex.

i've seen many come and go with the first part, but don't know that i've ever seen anyone acknowledge the second. so i doubt any of them have it right, since none of them take it in full.
 
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well i don't really know the answer to this. i just know there's a glaring open question.
because this is what Psalm 90:4 actually says:


For a thousand years in Thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
(Psalm 90:4)
and that a lot of people read this, ignore the "and as a watch in the night" and change "but as yesterday" into "= 1 day"
so they think they've found an equation for translating '
human time' into 'God time'


but if i know anything about equations, i know you can't just drop off half of one and expect to get a right answer.
if this is an equation, then it's


1,000 years = 1 day = 4 hours

i don't know why people flip out over 1000yr = 1d and pretend the same verse doesn't also say 1000yr = 4hr. i guess reading the whole verse makes it messy and complex? people like simple, but God it seems likes complex.

i've seen many come and go with the first part, but don't know that i've ever seen anyone acknowledge the second. so i doubt any of them have it right, since none of them take it in full.
Is 2 Peter 3 not a confirmation of 1,000 years = 1 day?
 

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Is 2 Peter 3 not a confirmation of 1,000 years = 1 day?
for sure the Psalm is true, and Peter uses it like it is - but the way Peter uses is isn't like a unit conversion, like 1 foot = 30.48 centimeters. he says don't forget that with the Lord a thousand years is like a day, and a day like a thousand years: God isn't slow in keeping His promises as some men count slowness.
Peter is using the psalm to say that human ideas of slow vs. quick are not like God's concept of slow vs. quick -- if Peter understood it to mean we could count the days until the promises of God will be made good, then i'd think, hey Peter chapter 3 would be a perfect time for you to say "
by the math of Psalm 90, we've got 1,960 years to go" ((am told that 2 Peter was probably written between 65-68 AD))


.. but perhaps weirdly, Peter doesn't say that. he just says God is very patient with us, that His day will come suddenly like a thief in the night, so keep ready. if Peter believed when he wrote that mankind had 1,960 years to fiddle around with, he takes a pretty strange tone saying we should be diligent.
 
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Totally agree with you here, Runningman!

Anyone proclaiming exact dates should always be a red flag and the OP has tons of them. By his claim of the Lord's return to the earth to end the age in 2026, it would mean that we would already have to be two years into God's wrath. And since the abomination of desolation is set up in the middle of the seven years, that would mean that we only have one year before this happens according to his time line. And the antichrist hasn't even established his seven year covenant with Israel yet. He's putting the proverbial cart before the horse here.
There is no "7 year tribulation". The 70 weeks of Daniel have already been fulfilled entirely. It was Yeshua who confirmed his covenant with many with his death and resurrection, in the middle of the 70th week, 3 and 1/2 years after his anointing at the end of week 69. And then in the final 3 and 1/2 years of the 70th week the gospel was proclaimed in Jerusalem first, before it was proclaimed to the Gentiles. Which was the original context of the 70 weeks of Daniel, "70 weeks have been appointed for your people and set-apart city". The set-apart city is Jerusalem. And then, as the prophecy states, after the 70 weeks, Jerusalem and the temple would be destroyed by the 4th kingdom, which were the Romans. At that time the abomination of desolation was set up on the eastern wing of the temple, in accordance to Flavius Josephus, exactly as the prophet Daniel prophesied. This is why Yeshua told them that once they see the abomination of desolation at the temple site, to escape Judea, because it was about to be destroyed. The abomination of desolation is not a future prophecy, that too, was also fulfilled in the past. And that abomination of desolation was the image of Caesar that was established there at the temple, at the eastern wing of the temple, which was worshiped by the Roman soldiers.

And after the sixty-two weeks, the Mashiach shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the set-apart place. Its end shall come like a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.… And on the wing shall come an abomination of desolation
Daniel 9:26-27

So when you see standing at the set-apart place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel, let the reader understand, then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.
Matthew 24:15-20

When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
Luke 21:20-24

He will exalt himself and defy everything that people call god and every object of worship. He will even tarry at the temple of God, claiming that he himself is God.
2 Thessalonians 2:4

Now Pilate, who was sent as procurator into Judea by Tiberius, sent by night those images of Caesar that are called ensigns into Jerusalem. This incited a very great tumult among the Jews when it was day, for those that were near them were astonished at the sight of them, since their laws were trodden under foot, for those laws do not permit any sort of image to be brought into the city.
The Wars of the Jews by Flavius Josephus, Book 2, 9:2

But now Pilate, the procurator of Judea, removed the army from Caesarea to Jerusalem, to take their winter quarters there, in order to abolish the Jewish laws. So he introduced effigies of Caesar, which were upon the ensigns, and brought them into the city, whereas our law forbids us the very making of images.
The Antiquities by the Jews by Flavius Josephus, Book 18, 3:1

The Romans upon the flight of the seditious into the city, and upon the burning of the set-apart house itself, and of all the buildings lying round about it, brought their ensigns to the Temple, and set them over against its eastern gate; and there did they offer sacrifices to them, and there did they make Titus imperator, with the greatest acclamations of joy
The Wars of the Jews by Flavius Josephus, Book 6, 6:1

For indeed the Roman religion is entirely martial, for they worship their ensigns, and swear by their ensigns, and pay greater respects to their ensigns more than to any other god whatsoever.
Apologetic by Tertullian, Chapter 16

And then Titus became emperor of Rome, and then after him came the Roman popes. Who have all been the little horn of the 4th beast of Daniel, which were the Roman popes. For that little horn grew in the context of the 4th kingdom, which was Rome. And they are the "antichrist". For antichrist in Greek means "false anointed". And they are also called the “man of lawlessness”. Which is the Greek word “anomia”, which is the antonym of the Greek word “nomia”, which means “law”. Which means the “man of torahlessness”, meaning a man that discards the Torah, for the word “law” in “lawless” pertains to the Torah of Moses, which is the “Law” of God. The antichrist is the succession of Roman authority occupied by one man in highest Roman authority in each of their respective times one after the other.

They persecuted the people of God for 1,260 years, through inquisitions and massacres. One of the darkest times in human history. Many died. They also changed the appointed times of the Torah, such as changing the Shabbath to Sunday. And they also promulgated new appointed times like Christmas and Good Friday, which are contrary to the truth, for the Mashiach instructed us to commemorate his death, not his birth. For Yeshua already existed before he came in the flesh, and came to die to atone for the sins of many. An expression of love. So it is therefore his death that matters, not his birth. And the Mashiach did not die on Friday, for he died on a Wednesday before the high shabbath of the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. They also established a false priesthood, usurping the priesthood given only to the Levites, and also Yeshua, according to the order of Melchizedek. And the Roman popes have promulgated other false teachings like the trinity, that Mary is the Queen of Heaven and the mother of God, that the dead go to heaven and do not sleep, that hell currently exists and the dead burn there for all eternity, that men can pray to Mary and the saints, and more lies upon lies and blasphemies upon blasphemies. And also arrogant words. For the Roman popes have also claimed to be the authority and representation of God on the earth. Which are arrogant words in falsely declaring themselves to be what they are truly not. And everything they teach is contrary to the truth and the Torah of God. And they are even called “Holy Father” by many believers, which is preposterous and a title that belongs only to God. And in this way the Roman popes are the true and full manifestation of the antichrist on the earth.

And now all that is left to be fulfilled is the last portion of the 6th seal of Revelation, which is the return of Yeshua, which will be in 5 years in the year 6,000. 7 and 1/2 days after his descension on the earth the 7 trumpets of Revelation will be blasted for 7 days, beginning in Tishri 1, in accordance to the Torah. Then in Tishri 10 the people of God will be gathered, at the sound of the great shofar. Then 5 days later in Tishri 15 the 7 plagues of Revelation will be poured on the earth, for 7 days. The people of God that were gathered will remain safe in Mount Zion in Israel during that time.

As I said, none of you have understood these prophecies, which is why all of you are on a path of destruction. And more than likely you will not listen to the truth I am telling you, because you people are blind and stubborn. Just as the first generations of the sons of Israel were, who were cut off from inheriting the promised land. They were a stiff necked generation, just like you people.
 

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why does the same Psalm say "or like a watch in the night" ?
and why does everyone leave that part out? :unsure:
Here's the way I understand it:

--the Romans [/Gentiles] had a division of the night in "four watches" (Mt14 and Mk6 make mention of "the fourth watch of the night"; the four were: "evening," "midnight," "cockcrowing," "morning")

--the Hebrews [/Jews] had a division of the night in "three watches" (Lk12 mentions only "in the second watch, or in the third watch"... and Jdg7:19 mentions "the MIDDLE watch" [and "MIDDLE [watch]" only makes sense with three, not four])



[since the passage in Hosea 5:14-6:3 "after two days" and "in the third day" pertain to ISRAEL, then "three watches" (Hebrew/Jews/Israel) would make sense in that regard, eh (meaning, "3" total, from the time of His First Advent)? Just my two cents, on that point... = ) ]
 
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Haha, both of you know nothing. Surely what Yeshua prophesied will indeed be true, "many will say to me, Master, Master", but I will say to them, "depart from me you workers of torahlessness". None of you have understood any of these prophecies, because none of you have known nor understood the Torah and its appointed times, which lay out the precise timing of the events of Revelation. You are all clueless, walking in darkness, and all on a path to destruction.
That's a twisting of scripture.
So is your first post.
 
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So ya claim to know something that Jesus himself said that he didn't know.

Wow you are smarter than Jesus. Should we build a statue of you and make a temple and put that statue in it?
Hey look, we found a guy who knows more than Jesus.
 

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The 70 weeks of Daniel have already been fulfilled entirely.
Hafta disagree... for a number of reasons, but I only have time to list a few:

--Daniel 9:24-27 is SEQUENTIAL; and this means that, 1) "FROM... UNTO the Messiah the Prince; [THEN] 2) Messiah shall be CUT OFF; [THEN] 3) THE PEOPLE [OF the prince THAT SHALL COME] destroy the city and the sanctuary in the 70ad events; 4) desolaTIONS [PLURAL] are determined; [THEN] 5) "he [/the prince THAT SHALL COME] shall confirm the covenant with the many FOR ONE WEEK [7 yrs]..."; This corresponds also with the SEQUENCE found in Matt22:7 [the 70ad events (see also Lk21:23,20,24 and Lk19:41-44)] and THEN Matt22:8 ['THEN SAITH HE to his servants'... i.e. the LATER 95ad writing of 'The Revelation' (see 7:3)];

--the SEQUENCE issues in the Olivet Discourse: "Matt24:4-8 / Mk13:5-8 / Lk21:8-11 = 'the beginning of birth PANGS [PLURAL]'... but where v.12 says, "BUT BEFORE ALL THESE [i.e. BEFORE ALL the beginning of birth PANGS" the 70ad events of vv.12-24a must unfold FIRST; Whereas in Matthew 24 / Mark 13, those sections START OUT with "the beginning of birth PANGS [PLURAL]" which come AFTER the 70ad events (yet not immediately after it)];

--when Jesus spoke of "the abomination [SINGULAR] of desolation [SINGULAR]," it connects back with Daniel 12:11 "abomination [SINGULAR] that maketh desolate SET UP [H5414]," mentions specific "day-amounts" in the context, and that passage ends with Daniel being told he will "rest [in death] and stand in thy lot [be resurrected/'to stand again' on the earth] AT THE END OF THE DAYS [at the END of the day-amounts referred to IN THAT CONTEXT, i.e. at the END of the far-future TRIB YRS]"... and this did NOT take place in the first century AT ANY POINT.




.... there's more, but that's all I have time for tonight. = )
 

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So ya claim to know something that Jesus himself said that he didn't know.
[...]
Hey look, we found a guy who knows more than Jesus.
"no man KNOWS [PERFECT tense]" (not even Jesus! [32ad! before His death]) does NOT mean that no one WILL/CAN EVER know... Jesus has known ever since His RESURRECTION / ASCENSION / EXALTATION, and THEN He disclosed further information ON THAT SUBJECT in the LATER-WRITTEN 95ad "Revelation of Jesus Christ WHICH GOD GAVE UNTO HIM [/unto Jesus] TO SHEW UNTO..." !! ;)



[and that entire Book is like one big set of time-stamps!! ;) ]
 

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^ p.s. it is not necessary for one to "know" this [this particular thing] in order to be "saved" ;) . NO.
 
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"no man KNOWS [PERFECT tense]" (not even Jesus! [32ad! before His death]) does NOT mean that no one WILL/CAN EVER know... Jesus has known ever since His RESURRECTION / ASCENSION / EXALTATION, and THEN He disclosed further information ON THAT SUBJECT in the LATER-WRITTEN 95ad "Revelation of Jesus Christ WHICH GOD GAVE UNTO HIM [/unto Jesus] TO SHEW UNTO..." !! ;)



[and that entire Book is like one big set of time-stamps!! ;) ]
So you also claim to know more than Jesus. Sweet.
 

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Apparently I don't know nothin' from nothin' :cautious:
 

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So you also claim to know more than Jesus. Sweet.
I did not say that.

I said, the statements ['no man knoweth/knows [PERFECT tense]'] are NO LONGER TRUE OF [/APPLICABLE TO] JESUS (ever since His resurrection / ascension / exaltation).

"Know" in the "PERFECT tense" is NOT saying one can NEVER KNOW, or WILL NEVER KNOW.

He [now] KNOWS. ;)

And He has chosen to DISCLOSE further information on THAT SUBJECT, in His later "[The] Revelation of Jesus Christ..."




It is only so much human reasoning to say that "Jesus STILL does not know" (which the texts are NOT stating. ;) )
 
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I did not say that.

I said, the statements ['no man knoweth/knows [PERFECT tense]'] are NO LONGER TRUE OF [/APPLICABLE TO] JESUS (ever since His resurrection / ascension / exaltation).

"Know" in the "PERFECT tense" is NOT saying one can NEVER KNOW, or WILL NEVER KNOW.

He [now] KNOWS. ;)

And He has chosen to DISCLOSE further information on THAT SUBJECT, in His later "[The] Revelation of Jesus Christ..."




It is only so much human reasoning to say that "Jesus STILL does not know" (which the texts are NOT stating. ;) )
But Jesus never said that it would be revealed to his disciples, he said stuff, like hour which you do not expect, and like a thief in the night, and if someone comes and says here he is or there he is.
The fact is we do not know, nor can we.
How many such prognosticators must come and go all getting it wrong before we learn.

False prophets and heretics every last one of them.
 

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But Jesus never said that it would be revealed to his disciples, he said stuff, like hour which you do not expect, and like a thief in the night, and if someone comes and says here he is or there he is.
The fact is we do not know, nor can we.
How many such prognosticators must come and go all getting it wrong before we learn.
False prophets and heretics every last one of them.
The Subject He was covering (in the *"no man knoweth/knows [PERFECT tense]" passages) is His Second Coming to the earth point in time (NOT "our Rapture"), per CONTEXTS. It is not accurate to say that Jesus STILL does not know.

And it is my contention that Jesus disclosed further information on THAT SUBJECT in His later (95ad) "[The] Revelation of Jesus Christ, WHICH GOD GAVE UNTO HIM [/unto JESUS] TO shew unto His servants..." (Rev1:1 [7:3]), *so that* those [saints] existing on the earth at/during that future time-period [the trib yrs] *CAN* know (or at least have a fairly accurate estimate of) WHEN He will "RETURN" to the earth (the Subject He's referring to there), and *in this way* WILL HAVE *watched* and been *ready* because they will have HEEDED HIS WORD (now having its/His further information disclosed! [in "[The] Revelation"--95ad (i.e. later)]).

Again, the CONTEXTS (of the "no man knoweth/knows [PERFECT tense]" passages) are not "our Rapture" timing, but that which comes FOLLOWING "our Rapture" event ;) (meaning, His Second Coming to the earth time-slot, per CONTEXTS).

"Knoweth/knows [PERFECT tense]" is NOT saying "can NEVER KNOW / WILL NEVER KNOW" (Jesus NOW "knows" and has disclosed further information on THAT SUBJECT in His later "Book of Rev" [esp when put in connection with His other Scriptures]... which those who find themselves IN the trib years can choose TO HEED [even *via* His servants of that future time-period], *if they but will*... but as we can see from Scripture, many will NOT heed His Word [just as in the days of Noah]).





[again, not said in *CONTEXT of "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]," but of His Second Coming to the earth]
 

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he said stuff, like hour which you do not expect,
In this ^ example, where this is stated ^ (in parallel passages), it is prefaced by this:

--"But know this, that IF the master of the house HAD KNOWN in what hour the thief is coming, he would not have allowed his house to be broken into." Lk12:39

(which follows v.36's saying, "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding" [i.e. as an ALREADY-WED Bridegroom] ;) ... the Subject being His Second Coming to the earth FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom [NOT "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" context])


--"And know this, that IF the master of the house HAD KNOWN in what time of night [/in what watch] the thief comes, he would have watched and not have allowed his house to be broken into." Matt24:43

(same "context" as above)





What is the implication, here? That it is IMPOSSIBLE [for them] to know anything?? Or that it is "possible" and even desirable for them to know something?

(i.e. the "further information" He has now disclosed in "[The] Revelation," when viewed in connection with the rest of His Scriptures)
 
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In this ^ example, where this is stated ^ (in parallel passages), it is prefaced by this:

--"But know this, that IF the master of the house HAD KNOWN in what hour the thief is coming, he would not have allowed his house to be broken into." Lk12:39

(which follows v.36's saying, "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding" [i.e. as an ALREADY-WED Bridegroom] ;) ... the Subject being His Second Coming to the earth FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom [NOT "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" context])


--"And know this, that IF the master of the house HAD KNOWN in what time of night [/in what watch] the thief comes, he would have watched and not have allowed his house to be broken into." Matt24:43

(same "context" as above)





What is the implication, here? That it is IMPOSSIBLE [for them] to know anything?? Or that it is "possible" and even desirable for them to know something?

(i.e. the "further information" He has now disclosed in "[The] Revelation," when viewed in connection with the rest of His Scriptures)
If all Christians are removed via rapture then why would we care if he returns to earth or not. We nor any other Christian will be here. It really makes no sense. The only thing that makes sense is if we join Jesus on his return and form a return of the King procession. And that's why we watch for his return, which wouldn't happen if we ain't here.
 

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^ ...and I should add: in the Matt24 passage, v.42 (just prior) says, "Therefore keep watch, for you do not know [PERFECT indicative] on what day your Lord comes." (again, "PERFECT tense" is NOT saying, "you will NEVER know, nor EVER have any access to that info" ;) ).


If all Christians are removed via rapture then why would we care if he returns to earth or not. We nor any other Christian will be here. It really makes no sense. The only thing that makes sense is if we join Jesus on his return and form a return of the King procession. And that's why we watch for his return, which wouldn't happen if we ain't here.
There will be MANY who come to faith FOLLOWING "our Rapture" (and yes, I *do* care about them, and what they can learn from what we say *now* [whether true or false things... And we should definitely CARE about those ppl!! ;) ])
 
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^ ...and I should add: in the Matt24 passage, v.42 (just prior) says, "Therefore keep watch, for you do not know [PERFECT indicative] on what day your Lord comes." (again, "PERFECT tense" is NOT saying, "you will NEVER know, nor EVER have any access to that info" ;) )
Why would you watch if you ain't gonna be here?
 
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