Biblical tithing

[Dino246]

it was not called the tithe at that time dear brother If you look in the Hebrew for the words Offering, gift, tithe You will see a normative:

• Offering =gift, tribute, offering, present, oblation, sacrifice, meat offering
• Gift = offerings consecrate, dedicate, pay wages, sell, exchange, lend,
• Tithe= tenth of what? = oser =wealth, riches

Why were they to provide the tithe? And why is it no reads the tithe context of Chapter 27 of Leviticus?

Well before God gave to Moses the term Tithe he said concerning these things what are they a name for acow or goat?

shekels? wHAT DOES lEV 27:17-19 TALKING ABOUT?

According to Leviticus 27, the tithe was not payable on existing wealth. Rather, it was payable on agricultural products, of which animals were one kind. Only in the sense that animals represented wealth was it payable on wealth. If you owned ten silver coins, you did not have to submit one to the Levites as part of your tithe.

As I have stated previously, the very word "tithe" means "tenth". It does not mean "offering" or "gift". The tithes were not voluntary, but required. Something that is required is not a gift.

 

[CS1]

Okay, here's my answer: No.


I didn't say you were conflating the conversation. I said you were conflating the concepts.


Proper biblical interpretation does not begin with the assumption that the entire Mosaic Law is applicable to Christians and then start looking for specific exclusions. The Bible tells us that Christ came to fulfill (make complete) the Law. It tells us that adding adherence to the Law to faith in Christ is not God's intention for believers. It tells us that the old covenant is obsolete and that we are under a new covenant built on better promises.

The requirement to submit tithes is a requirement of the Mosaic Law. Christians are not under the Mosaic Law, and are no more required to submit tithes than they are to live in booths for a week, attend the Temple three times a year, or slaughter cows for their atonement.

Please, don't argue further; instead, go and study the Scripture on these matters. See whether there is any instruction given specifically to Christians regarding the paying of tithes (there isn't). Let what Scripture does teach inform your understanding.

Ok when you say we are not under the Mosaic Law it is only in tithes you mean? Because you are still not to steal, kill and lie right? As a Christian?

 

[CS1]

According to Leviticus 27, the tithe was not payable on existing wealth. Rather, it was payable on agricultural products, of which animals were one kind. Only in the sense that animals represented wealth was it payable on wealth. If you owned ten silver coins, you did not have to submit one to the Levites as part of your tithe.

As I have stated previously, the very word "tithe" means "tenth". It does not mean "offering" or "gift". The tithes were not voluntary, but required. Something that is required is not a gift.

so don't see the gold and silver mentioned in Lev 27 having any application of context to tithing?

 

[Dino246]

Ok when you say we are not under the Mosaic Law it is only in tithes you mean? Because you are still not to steal, kill and lie right? As a Christian?

A faithful Christian fulfills the Law by loving God and loving neighbour. One who does these things will not steal, kill, or lie.

 

[Dino246]

so don't see the gold and silver mentioned in Lev 27 having any application of context to tithing?

No. The instructions for the tithe begin at verse 30 and apply only to agricultural products, as I have said several times.

Otherwise, a man who inherited 100 shekels (and did nothing else with them) would, by the tenth year, have less than 35 shekels left after only ten years. The man with a house would lose his house. That's modern taxation, not God's design.

 

[CS1]

A faithful Christian fulfills the Law by loving God and loving neighbour. One who does these things will not steal, kill, or lie.

Ok, so faithful Christians actually don't have to follow any part of the law as long as they love God? I don't think you mean that but I am asking it because Jesus said those Who love me will obey. Therefore Jesus said it is in Loving your neighbor also needing to be done as we love God. Jesus said these are two commandments that all the law rest on, ALL The law. So If I tithe because I love God and my tithes help my neighbor it is praiseworthy and applicable today just as all the law is would it not be?

 

[CS1]

No. The instructions for the tithe begin at verse 30 and apply only to agricultural products, as I have said several times.

Otherwise, a man who inherited 100 shekels (and did nothing else with them) would, by the tenth year, have less than 35 shekels left after only ten years. The man with a house would lose his house. That's modern taxation, not God's design.

Is not the tithe for those who have no gold or silver to give? but the worth would be measured based on the amount of what they gave? Did not Jesus say those who give little reap little and those sow sparingly also to reap sparingly? Is the issue really those who just don't want to give?

 

[Dino246]

Ok, so faithful Christians actually don't have to follow any part of the law as long as they love God? I don't think you mean that but I am asking it because Jesus said those Who love me will obey. Therefore Jesus said it is in Loving your neighbor also needing to be done as we love God. Jesus said these are two commandments that all the law rest on, ALL The law. So If I tithe because I love God and my tithes help my neighbor it is praiseworthy and applicable today just as all the law is would it not be?

You can pay your tithe if you want; I would like to see the look on your pastor's face when you unload your grain truck all over the altar, or walk your cows down the aisle during the offering time.

You can't, however, pay tithes with money and do so biblically. It just isn't possible. You can offer your money, and you should, but it isn't a tithe. It isn't even a tithe if it is a tenth of your income, or, if you prefer, of your net worth. Those concepts simply don't exist in Scripture.

The core issue is more simple though: the requirement to pay tithes is an old covenant command, not a new covenant command. If you want to follow the old covenant, you are welcome to (try to) do so, but you will need to follow the whole thing, not just the few parts that happen to be convenient.

By all means, offer your money, in whatever amount or proportion you see fit, but please don't confuse yourself, your family, and your readers by calling it a "tithe". It's an offering.

 

[Dino246]

Is not the tithe for those who have no gold or silver to give?

No. Which Bible are you reading? The primary purpose of the tithe was to provide food for the Levites, who did not work the land.

but the worth would be measured based on the amount of what they gave? Did not Jesus say those who give little reap little and those sow sparingly also to reap sparingly?

What are we talking about? Giving, or paying tithes? They are two distinct subjects. I keep telling you that.

Is the issue really those who just don't want to give?

Sadly, I am not surprised that you went there, but I sincerely hope that it's because you've heard it from others. It's a sick replacement of reason with slander. If you can't convince people of your error, defame them with character assassination. As I stated in my previous post, tithing is an old covenant law. They are Judaizers who try to teach Christians to tithe, no different fundamentally than those first-century imposters who taught that Gentile Christians must be circumcised.

It is NOBODY ELSE's business how much you or I give. It is NOBODY ELSE's business to judge whether the amount that you or I give is "generous" or not. That is between the giver and God, PERIOD. What is "sparing" to one person is sacrificial to another.

The new testament teaches plenty on the subject of giving. We aren't discussing that; rather, we are discussing tithing. Giving and tithing are not the same thing. PLEASE grasp this simple concept.

 

[CS1]

You can pay your tithe if you want; I would like to see the look on your pastor's face when you unload your grain truck all over the altar, or walk your cows down the aisle during the offering time.

You can't, however, pay tithes with money and do so biblically. It just isn't possible. You can offer your money, and you should, but it isn't a tithe. It isn't even a tithe if it is a tenth of your income, or, if you prefer, of your net worth. Those concepts simply don't exist in Scripture.

The core issue is more simple though: the requirement to pay tithes is an old covenant command, not a new covenant command. If you want to follow the old covenant, you are welcome to (try to) do so, but you will need to follow the whole thing, not just the few parts that happen to be convenient.

By all means, offer your money, in whatever amount or proportion you see fit, but please don't confuse yourself, your family, and your readers by calling it a "tithe". It's an offering.

FYI IF I have a field in which I sell my grain and give that money to the church what is the difference?

 

[CS1]

No. Which Bible are you reading? The primary purpose of the tithe was to provide food for the Levites, who did not work the land.


What are we talking about? Giving, or paying tithes? They are two distinct subjects. I keep telling you that.


Sadly, I am not surprised that you went there, but I sincerely hope that it's because you've heard it from others. It's a sick replacement of reason with slander. If you can't convince people of your error, defame them with character assassination. As I stated in my previous post, tithing is an old covenant law. They are Judaizers who try to teach Christians to tithe, no different fundamentally than those first-century imposters who taught that Gentile Christians must be circumcised.

It is NOBODY ELSE's business how much you or I give. It is NOBODY ELSE's business to judge whether the amount that you or I give is "generous" or not. That is between the giver and God, PERIOD. What is "sparing" to one person is sacrificial to another.

The new testament teaches plenty on the subject of giving. We aren't discussing that; rather, we are discussing tithing. Giving and tithing are not the same things. PLEASE grasp this simple concept.

Did I say you? And many do not give tithes or anything that is between them and God Yet, they want to tell those who do it it's not biblical. That is not true.

 

[CS1]

No. Which Bible are you reading? The primary purpose of the tithe was to provide food for the Levites, who did not work the land.


What are we talking about? Giving, or paying tithes? They are two distinct subjects. I keep telling you that.


Sadly, I am not surprised that you went there, but I sincerely hope that it's because you've heard it from others. It's a sick replacement of reason with slander. If you can't convince people of your error, defame them with character assassination. As I stated in my previous post, tithing is an old covenant law. They are Judaizers who try to teach Christians to tithe, no different fundamentally than those first-century imposters who taught that Gentile Christians must be circumcised.

It is NOBODY ELSE's business how much you or I give. It is NOBODY ELSE's business to judge whether the amount that you or I give is "generous" or not. That is between the giver and God, PERIOD. What is "sparing" to one person is sacrificial to another.

The new testament teaches plenty on the subject of giving. We aren't discussing that; rather, we are discussing tithing. Giving and tithing are not the same things. PLEASE grasp this simple concept.

I asked you a question I read three of them. Tithes are in context giving I showed you that from the Hebrew LOL. That is true is nobody concern what I give nor is it your concern if those who give what they call tithes. I will let God decide what is sparing. To much given is much required. Giving should be a normal to a Christian as praying is.

 

[Dino246]

Did I say you? And many do not give tithes or anything that is between them and God Yet, they want to tell those who do it it's not biblical. That is not true.

If you can't discuss this without inferring personal slander, I'm not going to discuss it further with you.

 

[Dino246]

FYI IF I have a field in which I sell my grain and give that money to the church what is the difference?

You aren't under the old covenant. That's the difference.

Because of that, it would be an offering, not a tithe. If for some strange reason you still wanted to follow the old covenant law, you would have to give 12% of the money received from the sale, as specified in Leviticus 27:31.

 

[Dino246]

I asked you a question I read three of them. Tithes are in context giving I showed you that from the Hebrew LOL. That is true is nobody concern what I give nor is it your concern if those who give what they call tithes. I will let God decide what is sparing. To much given is much required. Giving should be a normal to a Christian as praying is.

Giving, yes. Tithing, no.

How many times do I need to say this before you understand: giving money to your local church (or to any Christian entity) is NOT "tithing". It is offering.

Have I implied anywhere that Christians are not to give offerings? No. Not even a hint.

 

[CS1]

You aren't under the old covenant. That's the difference.

Because of that, it would be an offering, not a tithe. If for some strange reason you still wanted to follow the old covenant law, you would have to give 12% of the money received from the sale, as specified in Leviticus 27:31.

if is not following the old to do what is in the heart of one to do. I see it this way Jesus said to give, All belongs to the Lord 100% is HIS.
He says I give you 90% and just give me the 10%. it's that simple. Now I give more than that but I can tell you. IF those give unto the Lord HE will give far more than 10 %. That legal stuff to do what God said or used not to do is the problem with those who see others doing what they think they don't have to. Then don't give.

The foolishness (Not you) I hear many say.

The pastor should not be paid, don't tithe, God will take what you give him. Blah blah blah.

 

[CS1]

Giving, yes. Tithing, no.

How many times do I need to say this before you understand: giving money to your local church (or to any Christian entity) is NOT "tithing". It is offering.

Have I implied anywhere that Christians are not to give offerings? No. Not even a hint.

I disagree with you

 

[Dino246]

I disagree with you

You are certainly free to do so. However, you haven't made a biblical case for your position.

 

[Dino246]

if is not following the old to do what is in the heart of one to do. I see it this way Jesus said to give, All belongs to the Lord 100% is HIS.
He says I give you 90% and just give me the 10%.

He doesn't say that in the Bible. If He says it to you personally, that's fine, but then it's not normative for other Christians and you have no cause to tell others (or even hint) that they are doing something wrong by doing something different.

 

[CS1]

You are certainly free to do so. However, you haven't made a biblical case for your position.

to you, I may have not and that ok You have not shown me where in the word that tithing is not for today Nor have you shown from the word of God that it is not contextual to given.