The Babies of God

[JohanA]

. We honor our parents because we love them . We don’t honor them in order to love them .

We love our parents and call them mom or dad. Or mommy or daddy. And i don't think they will be very happy with us honoring them with the title of mr. or mrs. Even if they have some other title like doctor it is still inferior to love that we have for them and which is expressed by mommy and daddy.

Same with God. Nothing can come to calling Him our Dad. Even Daddy. As that is what "Abba Father" tries to convey to us. And in this regard He moved away from the title God to that of Father or Dad or Daddy.

in this regard He said we should enter Love for one another as Brothers and Sisters. And step away from the honor in "pastor" or "bishop" or "pope" or whatever. Which the humans of course enjoy so much. To be "more" than their Brothers and Sisters and in the end lose Love of God. And is stuck with "honor" in human existence.

Mat. 23
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

But that’s just what I got from the original discussion and his post you quoted from there . Sometimes I think we say things others don’t understand how we’re saying it rather than what they are saying is false we have different ways of articulating our thoughts

When we are Living God's Live it is very difficult to explain what we experience. But we do our Best and God will do the Rest.

 

[Dino246]

Yep. We need to get "skilful" in Righteousness of God. Then we are "Teachers". Or one of the Five Fold Ministries. This is how they get to be that. No college diploma or university degrees can give this. Only God does it by Revelation and Creation through that Revelation His Righteouness in His Children by The Word in Jesus. Then we are not "Babies" anymore. And then we don't perceive our "group" vs other "groups" anymore. Then we just see "Babies" and "Teachers". And when we Live Righteousness then we are Pastors. And not Babies anymore. And thus the True Pastors and Teachers and Evangelists and Prophets and Apostles manifests now by the Creation through the Word. And not by the intellectual qualification from an institute.

You seem to be disregarding God's teaching that only some are called to be pastors, teachers and elders, but we are all called to maturity in Christ.

 

[Dino246]

And here you prove what i just said. The Babies like their "strife". Even if they "agree". Because of being Babies.

Going by the various posts you have made, you seem to think that if anyone disagrees with or challenges you, you automatically think that person is a "baby". Is that what you think?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

We love our parents and call them mom or dad. Or mommy or daddy. And i don't think they will be very happy with us honoring them with the title of mr. or mrs. Even if they have some other title like doctor it is still inferior to love that we have for them and which is expressed by mommy and daddy.

Same with God. Nothing can come to calling Him our Dad. Even Daddy. As that is what "Abba Father" tries to convey to us. And in this regard He moved away from the title God to that of Father or Dad or Daddy.

in this regard He said we should enter Love for one another as Brothers and Sisters. And step away from the honor in "pastor" or "bishop" or "pope" or whatever. Which the humans of course enjoy so much. To be "more" than their Brothers and Sisters and in the end lose Love of God. And is stuck with "honor" in human existence.

Mat. 23
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.




When we are Living God's Live it is very difficult to explain what we experience. But we do our Best and God will do the Rest.

got ya now , very good thoughts thanks for taking the time God bless

 

[oyster67]

I got one simple question for you, if you are willing to answer?

Who is Jesus to you ?

My God, my Friend, my Lord, my Savior.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I would say this, it was God who said to "Honor your mother and father" the is the first Commandment with Promise. That your life will be long upon the land. Matthew 19:19.

The Idea one has to work to honor the person, speaks it is not in your heart to do so, and you should not do it.

your not getting what I’m saying , but sure it’s a commandment to honor parents , and each other actually is a command of Christ .....

you missed the point of what I was saying , but it’s okay I agree we should test our parents with love always . And obey them . And it shouldn’t be any grievance for us to do so

“For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the gospel is meant to change the grievance part of it make it who we are to keep the commandments ......to a sinner what God said is a grievance liars are grieved to not lie , thieves grieved when they are commanded not to steal it’s a grievance for them because they aren’t right inside

Christ can heal that

 

[stonesoffire]

"New born believers"? Sure? And how do you know this?





I agree. But not with the word, new, that you are inserting here in this text.





Again your "inserted words".



You think Paul "neglected" this? While it happens while speaking the first time?

Acts 10
44 ¶While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.







Seems Paul adequately did this?

1 Cor. 14
26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.



You have any verse for this?



Sure. They became heirs to everything. I totally agree. But they were still mere "carnal Babies. And not much. Stuck in Baby Life. While the Perfect Life of God was given them.



Nope. I never "belittled his Children. I spoke against the evil spirit of strife that kept them from growing up. And is still keeping God's Babies in their "carnal lives" as Babies. Not knowing much and not being much. Although everything of God was given them. Perfectly. Just their own sin of enjoying their evil spirit of strife. Enjoying being in their certain group and keeping the division alive. And of course they have now their "bosses" asisting them. Because of enjoying their "slaves" working for them. Telling everyone that their particular group is the correct one. And of course their money the "slaves" are giving them.

Slaves paying to be slaves. Such a foolish existence. Because of the evil spirit that closed their eyes. This is no "new born believers". This is "old born believers" sinning. Just as they still are today.

And you judging me as speaking by the evil spirit of "belittling" is obviously part of that life. Judging me totally wrongly. Acting as if you can judge. But not having the Anointing from God yet makes you also a "carnal Baby" of God. Because this is "hypocrisy".
Mat. 7
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

You were given everything. But you are so "little" Not knowing much and not being much. And you could have been "Everything".

i understand the point of this post. its written though in a "crash, in your face" kind of way though. Interesting. Now to read the responses.

 

[CS1]

We love our parents and call them mom or dad. Or mommy or daddy. And i don't think they will be very happy with us honoring them with the title of mr. or mrs. Even if they have some other title like doctor it is still inferior to love that we have for them and which is expressed by mommy and daddy.

Same with God. Nothing can come to calling Him our Dad. Even Daddy. As that is what "Abba Father" tries to convey to us. And in this regard He moved away from the title God to that of Father or Dad or Daddy.

in this regard He said we should enter Love for one another as Brothers and Sisters. And step away from the honor in "pastor" or "bishop" or "pope" or whatever. Which the humans of course enjoy so much. To be "more" than their Brothers and Sisters and in the end lose Love of God. And is stuck with "honor" in human existence.

Mat. 23
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.




When we are Living God's Live it is very difficult to explain what we experience. But we do our Best and God will do the Rest.

I see you will not answer the question Who is Jesus to you?

 

[posthuman]

We just have our sins and physical existence washed every day.

not every day. with one sacrifice, forever.

we pick up our cross every day but He is not crucified a second time

 

[posthuman]

God is laughing at evil. When it is from His Children they perceive the Sword of God. But as Discipline in Love. Opening new Growth to them. Those that are not His Children perceive the Judgment of a Righteous God.

i would say He holds death in derision when we find it present in our flesh. the context of the opening stanzas of Psalm 2 is an antichrist type; sin that dwells in our flesh is crucified to us and to Him. He's redeeming us, confirming us to His likeness - like a potter removing excess clay and shaping us with His hands, dipped in water, casting it into a water barrel to dissolve and be reformed.
remember Paul talking to the Corinthians told them to "be unleavened, as (they) really are" -- the leaven that's removed isn't "us" it's the alien thing dwelling in us, alien to us because we are become a new creation, just as the dross removed from the silver is no part of the finished vessel.

so God is not holding His children in derision. i think that view is antithetical to the gospel. He holds the vanity of Satan/antichrist in derision; the sin at work in the old man, which He condemned in the flesh. if we truly 'know no one anymore after the flesh' then we should not be contemptuous, but gentle, towards 'the weaker brother' and we should not blaspheme God's faithfulness to complete the work He began.

((IMO))

the axe that flies at me is beautiful; His pruning is everlasting lovingkindness.

 

[posthuman]

. We honor our parents because we love them . We don’t honor them in order to love them .

I think he’s saying we needed the commandment honor before we possessed Christ's love but when you have his love that is imparted through the gospel , that becomes the source

what he’s saying I sort of think is in this realm of thought

“Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment,

it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭13:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if I have to work to honor someone it’s not coming from love where we need to be centered is what I gathered after I read what he was saying

But that’s just what I got from the original discussion and his post you quoted from there . Sometimes I think we say things others don’t understand how we’re saying it rather than what they are saying is false we have different ways of articulating our thoughts

yes, Deuteronomy 6 comes before Exodus 20. the shema is the foundation; upon it and Leviticus 19 all the commandments of the law hang.

 

[JohanA]

I got one simple question for you, if you are willing to answer?

Who is Jesus to you ?

This is not a "simple question". This is the heart of our Relationships. Who and what Jesus is only known more as you grow up. As your Spiritual age increase so does your Revelation on Jesus and his Father. The Babies of course do not know much about Him nor His Father. So it is not really about satisfying your curiosity. Nor about finding something to "judge" me on. This is the Babies Existence in their evil spirit of strife. Fighting one another. It should be to you about Loving God more and entering into more of what God has for you as His Son in The Word that is Jesus.

 

[JohanA]

to be a teacher one must be teachable.

To become a Teacher one must be teachable by the Holy Spirit. As you excercise your Gift by The Holy Spirit you become more Experienced and then you enter one of the Five Fold Ministries.

And your fellowship should be that place.

1 Cor. 14
26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

But mostly this place is stolen by the false gifts for their own honor and money.

Having knowledge doesn't make one a teacher no more than flying on a plane makes one a pilot.

I agree. A Teacher is created by God. In obedience to the Holy Spirit that gives experience in your Gift.

It is a Gifting even to the church FROM the HOLY Spirit as 1cor chapter 12 states, not self appointed.

And not studied for in a college or university. Getting the "title" and losing the Gift. The Gift is of the Spiritual realm and functions in the physical realm in speaking.

John 7

38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

 

[JohanA]

You did not answer my question Who is Jesus to you ?

Impatience is carnality. And is revealed. It shows your attitude is not wanting to grow up. Not from the Holy Spirit. But another spirit. This of course is Baby Existence. Caused by the groups of our day.


1 Cor. 3
1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal,even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal?
4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase

Your "bosses" in your groups making slaves out of you are "nothing". It is about God that gives growth and said there is "no divisions". While you adhere to the group you are under and evil spirit of strife. Keeping you in your Baby Existence. And your "carnality" shows.

 

[JohanA]

i would say He holds death in derision when we find it present in our flesh. the context of the opening stanzas of Psalm 2 is an antichrist type; sin that dwells in our flesh is crucified to us and to Him. He's redeeming us, confirming us to His likeness - like a potter removing excess clay and shaping us with His hands, dipped in water, casting it into a water barrel to dissolve and be reformed.
remember Paul talking to the Corinthians told them to "be unleavened, as (they) really are" -- the leaven that's removed isn't "us" it's the alien thing dwelling in us, alien to us because we are become a new creation, just as the dross removed from the silver is no part of the finished vessel.

so God is not holding His children in derision. i think that view is antithetical to the gospel. He holds the vanity of Satan/antichrist in derision; the sin at work in the old man, which He condemned in the flesh. if we truly 'know no one anymore after the flesh' then we should not be contemptuous, but gentle, towards 'the weaker brother' and we should not blaspheme God's faithfulness to complete the work He began.

((IMO))

the axe that flies at me is beautiful; His pruning is everlasting lovingkindness.

When anybody speak in an evil spirit to you the Holy Spirit acts back in "derision" from out of you. Against that spirit. But that person might perceive it as against him and suffer the deadly consequences of the Fire of the Word of God from you.

Isaiah 5
11 Behold, all ye that kindle a fire, that compass yourselves about with sparks: walk in the light of your fire, and in the sparks that ye have kindled. This shall ye have of mine hand; ye shall lie down in sorrow.

This Anointing is the Warrior Anointing. When you became King of kings and Lord of lords in Jesus.

Joel 3

9 ¶Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:*n3
10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.*n4
11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O Lord.*n5
12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.
13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.
14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision

 

[JohanA]

All you are doing is making accusations and these accusations are very vague, and not very clear in what it is you really really want to say.

And of course here is the classic get of jail card.




Do you maybe think people want to know what it is you are actually really trying to say. As I said before not being clear is a sign of dishonesty especially over so many posts.

In Gods Family there is another reason for not "understanding". It is carnality. Where the Babies of God are using their intellect to try and "understand". The "natural man" can not understand the Spirituality around him.


1 Cor. 2
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

 

[JohanA]

It's a simple question, warranting a simple answer: either "Yes" or "No". I'll take it as the latter.

The Gospel of Jesus is not about "yes and no" but it is the Word of God. Spirit and Life. To give Birth to God's Children and to raise them in their Live as a Child of God. Growing up in the Live of its Father.


1 Peter 1
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1 Peter 2
2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

If you don't get that "desire" for God's Milk you will stay a Baby in your particular group of strife.

 

[JohanA]

If you think God is going to teach you how to get along with other people,

He does not teach us how to "get along". That you find in books of maybe Daile Carnege or whatever. He gives us Love to Love all. Perfectly.

Mat. 5
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

but you ignore the feedback you get from others,

I am not "ignoring" your feedback. I am just not kneeling before your spirit.

you are denser than diamonds and dumber than doorposts.

Then use God's "Hammer" on me. Because your spirit has no power for "The Rock".

Jeremiah 23
29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

You may actually be a brother in Christ,

Some Wisdom speaking here. Good.

but that won't stop me from telling you when your attitude stinks, as it presently does.

It is not me that has to endure the "stench". Put a "mask".

Whatever. I (among others) rebuke you for your arrogance. Whether you deal with it is your problem.

That spirit of yours can not "rebuke". It has to be the Holy Spirit of Love and Wisdom.

I see little evidence of the fruit of the Holy Spirit in you

I know. Babies can not see far.

, which leads me to doubt your maturity in Christ.

And Babies does not understand much.

Absence of salvation is the only other possible cause.

And Babies are actually totally confused.

you're the one doing the slandering and belittling, calling "Babies" those about whom you know nothing.

You have nicely proved the Truth of what I said. Thanks.

But remember. God loves His Babies too. And he wants them to enjoy their Baby Life. Their only problem is not wanting to accept their condition. And thus forfeiting the Joy of having Parents.

 

[JohanA]

A little word from the the Scriptures to those (yourself included) who say: "'Keep to yourself, Do not come near me, For I am holier than you!' These are smoke in My nostrils, A fire that burns all the day." Isaiah 65v5

Yep. That was the Pharisees. Living their "hypocritical lives". As the "bosses" do these days with their titles. Being called a "pastor" and you a "brother". Excluded you from their "holy" life. you will see them all around you. With their "ties" and their important "seats" etc.

Mat. 23

1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

 

[JohanA]

Has JA set forth any false doctrine yet?

Mark 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.

Did Jesus have a "doctrine"? Or did He spoke Life?

John 6
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Doctrines are from the mind. Dead intellect of dead Adam.


Mat. 15
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me withtheir lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


Guided by Love can never lead you wrong.

I will rather be a "Love Hippie" than a Brother with the title of "pastor" or "pope".