The Babies of God

[Blackpowderduelist]

The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God’s church? He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.
1 Timothy 3:1‭-‬7 ESV

Qualifications of an overseer of God's children and their house.

 

[KingdomBrat]

JohanA said:
Jesus didn't bring a doctrine. He just was "Himself". He just Lived his Life. Humans make doctrines because they live intellectually. And their is no Life in the intellect of dead Adam.


Jesus' example is the [Doctrine] He presented unto us. To [Follow Him] is to emulate Him in all ways. We surrender our will to His will. And the result of that [surrender] can be seen when our actions become similar and hopefully mirror His. So it's the example of Christ's Life while here on Earth, His instructions, His Parables, and ultimately the Direction He cleared way to is the [Gospel}, which is the only Doctrine to follow and cherish.

 

[phil36]

And if JohanA is following the {WILL} of God, are some of us still just Babes in God [after] spending much of their lives depending upon God, Calling upon God, entrusting in God because we missed the true Calling for our Purpose in God's Will?

I think how he answers and make's derogatory statements against those 'babes' in Christ Says plenty.

 

[CS1]

Presently we have the "Babies of God" in their various groups and denominations. All controlled by an evil spirit of strife. And all busy with their various doctrines. They don't know much and they are not much.


1 Cor. 3
1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal,even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal?
4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase

The opening comments here is not one given in truth but a personal experience.
It is an open public condemnation to those who apparently will not agree with the poster, I can only discern this by the way the poster has attacked those who he perceives as babies. Not only are they immature but they also have an evil spirit. Babes in christ have evil spirits?

Could this be nothing more than a display of one ineffectiveness in the assumed gifting they have that God really did not give them?
If those who are babes in Christ are not submissive to the God-sent Message one thinks was given to them, Then they should seek confirmation if it is actually from God, to begin with. " Out of the mouth of two or three witnesses".

Nope, it is to be an evil spirit.

These spiritual gropers love Youtube, and Social media because the very denominations they claim to be in so much error would not agree with their self-perceived calling. So they can make such outlandish claims without accountability, " You are fighting God's word", well of course we are when it is disagreeing with the poster.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Good that you see this. All divisions are captured under the evil spirit of strife. Which God gave them unto. Because they didn't heed the warning not to cause divisions.

And those that want to grow has to obviously rise above this Existence. And that is where we need to go. How does one actually do this practically in the Holy Spirit? And when we start venturing on this road we will enter "Edifying".

1 Cor. 14
26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.


Assisting one another to be released from the captivity of that evil spirit hampering our growth. No matter what the costs physically. Because to us the most important is to grow up in the Perfection of the Word Jesus given to us. We can just not stay Babies.

We can never disregard the Character of God of His Fellowship. Where the main thing that we notice is this. There is nobody "in charge". Only God as the Father of His Household. And of course this goes totally against the attitude in the groups. Where some enjoy to rule their slaves.


Luke 22
24 ¶And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.
25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.

And also notworthy is that you said it is mostly like this. Because there are some that managed to not be part of the "strife". And we can learn from them. For starters. And they should post more. Because they are our Pastors. Not those with the "titles". But those Pasturing in the Gift of Pastor. From the Great Pastor. Where their actual Life they are Living is the Example to lead the sheep to waters and food.

1 Peter 5

1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
3 Neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.
4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

that’s maybe one of the best posts I’ve read since being here brother a lot of wisdom from the lord is being spilled out from your cup being filled over by the lord

yes , regarding pastors I agree . I have t been at the study part of faith long , used to just assume the person speaking at a pulpit knew Gods word . Over the last couple years getting into the scripture I began seeing a lot of things no one ever said , and a lot I was told that’s not In There.

this has really began to root mistrust in the worlds system of church . Even something as simple as the role of a pastor , I feel as if Were off track . The pastor every week preaches and everyone listens and just accepts it as truth

but biblically pastors were more as you are stating a leader and shepherd over the flock , thier lesder by example in humility , servitude , and faithfulness spiritual administration more or less and the speakers were to be two or three of those gifted with prophecy while the congregation weighed what was said

I like I said am no pro and have no PhD just a believer trying to know what’s true , but my view so far is that there is a convincing counterfeit of the church in the world , and there is the church that looks like what the. Bike teaches we are to be

this is not a condemnation or insult to any denomination or anything but just an observation from someone who was told one thing most of my life and then arose so
Many questions I was led to begin double checking some of what I was taught and found that it was not what the Bible actually teaches

I’m really in a place of mistrust of the established process we call church in the world again though people seem to seek for something that might insult them personally here , so I want to make clear I’m insulting or demeaning no ones belief just speaking to you about this because you seem to see similar things , or I could be mistaken

 

[KingdomBrat]

I think how he answers and make's derogatory statements against those 'babes' in Christ Says plenty.

Before one can teach, one must be a Babe. There must be a period of Growth to obtain knowledge. Not one single human has ever been born with knowledge of the unknown. They accumulate bits and build upon that foundation. And knowing there is a must period of [Growth] between Babes and Adults, one who teaches should understand this. And should "also" understand they them self had to [Grow] from Babe to Adult in order to become a Teacher having knowledge. And knowing that you were once a [Babe], to then condemn and berate Babes. (BY) showing this type of [Lack of Love] for them IS Mirroring the Lack of Love for Yourself! A teacher must Love their students.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Amen. In the Gospels we have The Word of God on the Relationship of Father and Child. And that Word, Jesus can never create less than it is. In looking and allowing for the Creating Power of God we are created to be the Reality of The Word. Just by Looking at The Word.

2 Cor. 3
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

And we become The Living Word.

2 Cor. 3
2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

yes indeed as we focus on the word , the understanding in those words begins to be imparted upon our understanding imprinting christs understanding on ours .

It’s how we are led to repentance we sin because we have inner flaws on our understanding of life , Which IS our relationship to the lord . We sin because we believe it won’t kill us like the serpent taught man rather than believing it will cause or death like Gid taught and still teaches

the issue is the mind and heart as we focus in on where the light is shining , it illuminates the darkeness inside that leads us to sin and die

So an adulterers heart for example is reproved by the light but based solely on belief or rejection of Gods living truth

“ you heard long ago committing adultery is the sin , but I tell you that whoever looks on another with list in thier heart has already committed adultery in his heart “

christs doctrine moves the focus from the action of the flesh , to the spirit of the man

people who commit adultery do it because it is in thier mind and heart first . The spirit of a Man rules the flesh of the spirit moves right , the flesh moves right . Of the spirit moves left the flesh moves
Left like a driver in a car .

our driver has bad eyesight and bad reflexes and a faulty compass to navigate the way , christs doctrine heals the driver and makes him a natural

 

[phil36]

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And knowing that you were once a [Babe], to then condemn and berate Babes. showing this type of [Lack of Love] for them IS Mirroring the Lack of Love for Yourself!

Yep berating babes by assuming that you are better is not a good thing.

Setting oneself up as a teacher to teach 'babes' and then berate them is the first big warning that the person is no teacher.

 

[KingdomBrat]

Yep berating babes by assuming that you are better is not a good thing.

Setting oneself up as a teacher to teach 'babes' and then berate them is the first big warning that the person is no teacher.

And the Teacher began with professing [Discernment] to perceive the Babes were in such condition.
But it was Discernment that peeled the layers back revealing the Truth the Teacher believed he had [Hidden].

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Before one can teach, one must be a Babe. There must be a period of Growth to obtain knowledge. Not one single human has ever been born with knowledge of the unknown. They accumulate bits and build upon that foundation. And knowing there is a must period of [Growth] between Babes and Adults, one who teaches should understand this. And should "also" understand they them self had to [Grow] from Babe to Adult in order to become a Teacher having knowledge. And knowing that you were once a [Babe], to then condemn and berate Babes. (BY) showing this type of [Lack of Love] for them IS Mirroring the Lack of Love for Yourself! A teacher must Love their students.

seed time and harvest is for real like your saying but it is balanced out by the truth that if we never produce the fruits of the gospel we will be tossed into the fire in the end .

certainly it is as the lord taught which touches on what You are saying like seedlings we begin , and often a giant tree demands a fruitful harvest from the seedling , and the seedling often accuses the mature tree of deceiving them into believeing they are
Meant to grow and produce fruit

often two points far apart aren’t opposite but need the reconciliation part that connects them

your right many are new in Christ and are in perfect position as babes , and others have been at it a very long time and have grown and are producing thorns and briars , cause confusion for the actual babes because they insist theres No such thing as growing up there’s no more than to be born ....

one thing about babes is , they don’t understand the same things as the adult , and as your saying the adult source is love for the babe .

there is an interception at some point it’s very true and apparent that’s meant to spur babes on to growth it’s not a rule list but consider the principle

“He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none. Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?

And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:6-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we don’t need to be perfect first , we need to let the seed of his word into our hearts it truly comes down to accepting and rejecting what’s there so babes in Christ should consider the warnings

“I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away:

and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:1-6‬ ‭

it’s important to let both sides of it in so the babe has the motivation to grow up and begin to look at thier fruit the fruit in thier lives meaning how they actually treat other people , is it in line with the gospel ? Or the world ?

it isn’t about insults as if a babe in Christ is a bad thing it’s the beginning of glory the best thing ever to be born into Christ , another aspect is that now the babe needs to eat and drink the proper food , and as your staring those who believe they are trees should learn to help the little sprouts until they learn to walk and talk and run along side of trees ran lol

We all including myself could benefit from not assuming personal insult and attack when anyone is saying something we don’t agree with . We’re easily offended it seems

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yep. It fits nicely. To rather be allowing for the Holy Spirit to show you where you have to be. Where you can grow. Where it is only Brothers. Assisting one another to be able to do what they can do. Not enjoying you being "unable". Keeping you in your lack of Ability.

Mat. 23
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

When you have a church where you only have to "submit to someone" but that someone does not submit to you it is of course a Baby Church. Where you will stay a Baby.

1 Peter 5
1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
3 Neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.
4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:


Because when you are in a Fellowship you have something to Say too. In the Holy Spirit. Which everyone has to submit too. Meaning submiting you your Word too. Every time you get together.


1 Cor. 14
26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

Just as Paul said and did too.

Rom. 1
9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;
10 Making request, if by any means now at length I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you.
11 For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;
12 That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me.

amen brother Gods design is inherently inclusive of the least and “greatest” of his children , who indeed according to Him are the least I love Paul’s teaching about the body and how the foot can’t tell the hand “I don’t need you “ or the ear tell the nose” I can smell fine without you “

haha I realize that’s not the wording he used but I like what he’s saying there in those verses about the body being dependent on each other we talk a lot about loving one another , I believe the design for the church is based upon that love being actualized within the church

We need eyes , ears , noses , hands and feet we need the ligaments that hold each part together the blood flowing through the veins we need each other to operate in the gifts he’s given to us in order for the church to flourish

it’s sad when the hands seek to cut off the foot or one eye gouges out the other because it didn’t see the same thing we’re destroying our own selves with division

 

[oyster67]

Nice Word. But what did the Holy Spirit say to you when you decided to enter it here?

I am so glad that you took it the right way. It was just to point out that sound doctrine is a good and important thing. Sound doctrine is truth. False doctrine is error. Man is the source of false doctrine, But the Word is the source of sound doctrine.

 

[KingdomBrat]

seed time and harvest is for real like your saying but it is balanced out by the truth that if we never produce the fruits of the gospel we will be tossed into the fire in the end .

certainly it is as the lord taught which touches on what You are saying like seedlings we begin , and often a giant tree demands a fruitful harvest from the seedling , and the seedling often accuses the mature tree of deceiving them into believeing they are
Meant to grow and produce fruit

often two points far apart aren’t opposite but need the reconciliation part that connects them

your right many are new in Christ and are in perfect position as babes , and others have been at it a very long time and have grown and are producing thorns and briars , cause confusion for the actual babes because they insist theres No such thing as growing up there’s no more than to be born ....

one thing about babes is , they don’t understand the same things as the adult , and as your saying the adult source is love for the babe .

there is an interception at some point it’s very true and apparent that’s meant to spur babes on to growth it’s not a rule list but consider the principle

“He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none. Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?

And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:6-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we don’t need to be perfect first , we need to let the seed of his word into our hearts it truly comes down to accepting and rejecting what’s there so babes in Christ should consider the warnings

“I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away:

and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:1-6‬ ‭

it’s important to let both sides of it in so the babe has the motivation to grow up and begin to look at thier fruit the fruit in thier lives meaning how they actually treat other people , is it in line with the gospel ? Or the world ?

it isn’t about insults as if a babe in Christ is a bad thing it’s the beginning of glory the best thing ever to be born into Christ , another aspect is that now the babe needs to eat and drink the proper food , and as your staring those who believe they are trees should learn to help the little sprouts until they learn to walk and talk and run along side of trees ran lol

We all including myself could benefit from not assuming personal insult and attack when anyone is saying something we don’t agree with . We’re easily offended it seems

I find no offense from the thread Creator. But I do acknowledge i believe a Teacher doesn't need to insult to get results. When a Teacher finds an error they begin a process to the origin of the error and correct that with root cause and corrective instruction. The [idealism] behind the meanings of to belittle, berate, or to be deliberately destructive are [harmoniously] the "extreme opposite" of what builds a secure foundation and a desire to succeed.

 

[oyster67]

No Love for me then?

I luv ya' honeybaby cutie-pie!

Oooops, sorry about that baby part.

 

[Magenta]

seed time and harvest is for real like your saying but it is balanced out by the truth that
if we never produce the fruits of the gospel we will be tossed into the fire in the end .

My Bible says: If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly
stones, wood, hay or straw, their work will be shown for what it is, because
the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test
the quality of each person’s work. If what has been built survives, the builder
will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will
be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.
1 Corinthians 3:12-15

 

[oyster67]

First of all, does JohanA have [Discernment]? Does that Discernment reveal [lack of growth] in other Believers? And does JohanA explain and instruct back in a manner that resembles the [Love of God]? Is JohanA [Called] by God and fulfilling the {WILL} of God by the "purpose" of this Thread?

Yes. We all have a long way to go and we all have a lot of growing to do. We should not be hurt or intimidated by this fact. Lets focus on the message, not the messenger. Jesus loves all of us. No need to feed our insecurity complexes.

 

[Runningman]

Presently we have the "Babies of God" in their various groups and denominations. All controlled by an evil spirit of strife. And all busy with their various doctrines. They don't know much and they are not much.


1 Cor. 3
1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal,even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal?
4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase

Notice Babes in Christ have the status of babes because of their worldliness, they're carnality. They are still in Christ despite their carnality because we are saved by grace through faith. Being a Babe in Christ has nothing to do with someone's human age.

 

[Dino246]

Yes. We all have a long way to go and we all have a lot of growing to do. We should not be hurt or intimidated by this fact. Lets focus on the message, not the messenger. Jesus loves all of us. No need to feed our insecurity complexes.

I understand (and agree with) the need to focus on the message, not the messenger. However, some messages aren't worth receiving.

The OP's message says, "I'm calling everyone here a spiritual baby, and if you don't immediately and wholeheartedly agree with me, it's proof that you are a spiritual baby."

Are you going to scratch for rubies in the rubbish, or are you going to toss such rubbish where it belongs?

 

[oyster67]

Are you going to scratch for rubies in the rubbish, or are you going to toss such rubbish where it belongs?

Methinks me shall scratch for rubies first... and we should not insinuate that anyone is trash. He may be a wierdo, but then, so am I.

 

[CS1]

Methinks me shall scratch for rubies first... and we should not insinuate that anyone is trash. He may be a wierdo, but then, so am I.

I don't think he was saying the person is trash but the message method used to convey it.