Jesus and Paul -two different gospels?

[throughfaith]

I used this observation, "None of them were camping outside his tomb and counting down to his resurrection on Sunday."

Like an advent calender lol

 

[throughfaith]

To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews.

Yes he went to Jews also .

 

[throughfaith]

That does not mean that he had a gospel which was different from that of Christ, or Peter, or any other apostle. It simply meant that he was commissioned to preach to the Gentiles. Yet you will find that Paul invariably visited the synagogues first in his travels, and first preached to the Jews, then the Gentiles. That destroys any idea that Paul had a different gospel.

I think earlier on there were only synagogue s

 

[throughfaith]

That does not mean that he had a gospel which was different from that of Christ, or Peter, or any other apostle. It simply meant that he was commissioned to preach to the Gentiles. Yet you will find that Paul invariably visited the synagogues first in his travels, and first preached to the Jews, then the Gentiles. That destroys any idea that Paul had a different gospel.

Is luke 9.6 the same as Paul's gospel?

 

[BrightBreezyMorning]

Through various discussions on the board here. It seems there is a view that there are two gospels.


Basically it says that Jesus taught a different gospel than that of Paul. Are there two gospels? One that Jesus taught then a different one that Paul taught?

Oh I fully understand what u mean? There are things that Paul taught that I felt weren't "exactly" in keeping with Jesus' teachings. However, over time, and in realizing all the pains that Paul seemed to go through, and in seeing how much "truth" he taught.... WEll, I think that's what it always comes back to... the TRUTH. You see, I found truth in Paul. Perhaps not as much as in Jesus, for Jesus had some truths that just make a person's head spin. But Paul still had truth. And in realizing that we fall short of Jesus, it seems that Paul had a truth for those of us who do fall short (which is most of us as I see it), and Paul gave us a Jesus-given insight as to pretty much how we can still fall short, but still do well. If that makes sense. It's just how I see it perhaps. But I do think Paul was blessed by God and Jesus. And while he may still have just been a man... well so were the disciples... and so are we. I don't find his words to be ill. Nor do I find Paul to be offensive. So maybe sometimes we just have to see our underaccomplishments as a predicament of our weaknesses, and do the best we can... and hope Paul has good words for us. For if Paul was loved by Jesus, as I believe he was... then perhaps, he has words for us... to help our poor little weak hearts..... but hopefully greatfully loving hearts

 

[throughfaith]

That does not mean that he had a gospel which was different from that of Christ, or Peter, or any other apostle. It simply meant that he was commissioned to preach to the Gentiles. Yet you will find that Paul invariably visited the synagogues first in his travels, and first preached to the Jews, then the Gentiles. That destroys any idea that Paul had a different gospel.

The burden is on those claiming Paul means ' another gospel ' in the sense of there being ONLY one . Rather what the verses ACTUALLY SAY is ' other than the one they delivered to them '

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

You mean to say all of us are given the same good news that we shall have descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky (Genesis 15:5)?

Well, and don't forget the fact that none *before* Abraham had "good news," right?? They are all "lost" [/unsaved] (something like 2000-yrs'-worth of ppl) because "the good news" *first* came to Abraham... [??] but not before him?? (not saying *you've* suggested this, to be clear)

= D ... okay...

 

[Magenta]

Yes he went to Jews also .

So Paul was not just an apostle to/for the Gentiles.

 

[Guojing]

The burden is on those claiming Paul means ' another gospel ' in the sense of there being ONLY one . Rather what the verses ACTUALLY SAY is ' other than the one they delivered to them '

Most people love quoting that passage out of its context.

 

[Guojing]

Well, and don't forget the fact that none *before* Abraham had "good news," right?? They are all "lost" [/unsaved] (something like 2000-yrs'-worth of ppl) because "the good news" *first* came to Abraham... [??] but not before him?? (not saying *you've* suggested this, to be clear)

= D ... okay...

Noah also received "a gospel" in Genesis 9:11.

 

[Guojing]

Like an advent calender lol

I can imagine all those thinking there is only ONE gospel will be imagining of a group of them, the 11 + Mary and others, on Sunday going 10, 9, 8, 7,....0 "Happy Resurrection my Lord"!

 

[throughfaith]

So Paul was not just an apostle to/for the Gentiles.

He was an apostle to the gentiles . like he said . Like Jesus said .

 

[posthuman]

Romans 11:13

“For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:”

And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews
(1 Corinthians 9:20, kjv)​

 

[Magenta]

He was an apostle to the gentiles . like he said . Like Jesus said .

That does not preclude Paul from being an apostle to others.

 

[throughfaith]

What is happening is this with these sermons going on and on about " there's only one gospel, and if any preaches another One then they are accursed . Its done with good intentions ,but if you read the verse it actually says ' other than THE ONE they delivered ' and other than THE ONE they recieved .

 

[Magenta]

He was an apostle to the gentiles . like he said . Like Jesus said .

That does not preclude Paul from being an apostle to others.

Did you not just agree that Paul evangelized Jews also?

“I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings
salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.”

Paul preached in synagogues to Jews.

 

[throughfaith]

That does not preclude Paul from being an apostle to others.

Which verse though?

 

[posthuman]

I used this observation, "None of them were camping outside his tomb and counting down to his resurrection on Sunday."

just because you aren't thinking about differential equations and solving Newtonian momentum equations when you decide if you have time to pull your car out onto a highway from a stop sign, doesn't mean you're doing "a different physics" or no physics at all. if you were to write out all the math involved in that simple decision of whether you can safely merge into traffic, it would be 30 pages long -- but you're doing it in your head in an instant even if you have never been taught how to write the most basic things in calculus and can hardly even add 3 digit numbers together.

ignorance of the details of the gospel does not equal a different gospel.

Adam did not know everything written in the NT but when the LORD pronounced that The Seed of the Woman would crush the seed of the Serpent, Adam heard and believed the gospel.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That does not preclude Paul from being an apostle to others.

Did you not just agree that Paul evangelized Jews also?

In fact paul went to the jews first in ever city he visited on his missionary journeys

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Keep in mind what Romans 9:26 says regarding them...

"and, "It will happen that in the place where it was said to them, 'You are not My people,' there they will be called 'sons of the living God.'"


Parallel Hosea 1:10-11- [not to mention in 2:23a (whereas 23b is about "the Gentiles" / Rom9:25)]

10 Yet the number of the Israelites will be like the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured or counted. And it will happen that in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not My people,’ they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’

11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up [/ascend] out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.