What is God’s response to the Jew and gentile's praying the 51st Psalm?

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Dino246

Dino246

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Blik said:
That shadow of the old testament worked to save the lives of the saints, as we are told in Matthew telling of the curtain that was split when Christ was crucified and the saints walked the streets of Jerusalem. Could it be that at that time, when the lord blinded the eyes of the Jews to accepting the real Christ, that after this the Jews, who were blind, were punished by being denied eternal life?

If this is so, then we certainly must tremble and be frightened if we do not obey everything the Lord tells us about salvation. Salvation depends on our being forgiven, and scripture tells us that if we don't forgive, it asks us how then we can be forgiven. It tells us we must repent--if we repent of our sins doesn't that also mean that we don't want to sin?

If God tells the Jews no to their prayer for forgiveness, based of their blindness that comes from God, then we all had better toe the line for they are His chosen people.
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What does the Lord tell us about salvation? "Believe in the One He has sent."

Faith in God should result in the fear diminishing and disappearing, for "perfect love casts out fear".
 
Blik

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Dino246 said:
What does the Lord tell us about salvation? "Believe in the One He has sent."

Faith in God should result in the fear diminishing and disappearing, for "perfect love casts out fear".
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if we accept that God is love, if we put our complete trust in what God tells us, we also have faith in his word that we are to forgive others to be forgiven---there would be no questions asked about not freely allowing others to live as they choose. With this faith, we would repent of all sin, having complete faith that we are made righteous through Christ, and glory in that righteousness we are given.

Through love we would accept that God the Father loves that Jew who has been blinded to accepting that Jesus is the Messiah, even that they misunderstand the role of their Messiah and do not accept Christ. Through His love that we accept, we would know that God listens to their prayer for forgiveness and through that love, they will have life.
 
Dino246

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Blik said:
if we accept that God is love, if we put our complete trust in what God tells us, we also have faith in his word that we are to forgive others to be forgiven---there would be no questions asked about not freely allowing others to live as they choose. With this faith, we would repent of all sin, having complete faith that we are made righteous through Christ, and glory in that righteousness we are given.

Through love we would accept that God the Father loves that Jew who has been blinded to accepting that Jesus is the Messiah, even that they misunderstand the role of their Messiah and do not accept Christ. Through His love that we accept, we would know that God listens to their prayer for forgiveness and through that love, they will have life.
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If I understand you correctly, you are telling me that Jews can have forgiveness and eternal life outside of believing in Christ.

They can't.
 
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Dino246 said:
If I understand you correctly, you are telling me that Jews can have forgiveness and eternal life outside of believing in Christ.

They can't.
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Amen

God did love them he also said the truth was now hidden from them, and Paul called them the enemy of the gospel,
 
Blik

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Dino246 said:
If I understand you correctly, you are telling me that Jews can have forgiveness and eternal life outside of believing in Christ.

They can't.
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I did NOT say that there is forgiveness without what Christ did for us. However, I think you are mistaken if you say there was no forgiveness of sin before the Christ was crucified. For the thousands of years of man's life on earth before that time, the forgiveness of sin was a partial forgiveness, and saints were kept, when the curtain was split at the mortal death of Jesus these saints walked the streets of Jerusalem. They were saved through Christ those thousands of years, it was only the shadow of Christ.

I do no think that I can say that God will now preserve the life of the Jews today, and I don't think you can say that God will not. But if there is salvation for them, it is through Christ. There is not and never has been any other way.

Christ is God, and Christ was from the beginning of time. God is one.
 
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