FreeGrace2 said:
Plus, Jesus is "received in heaven UNTIL the restoration". Or remains, or stays. That completely eviserates a pre-trib rapture.
Do you really think there is a material difference between "until the time of restoration" and "until the times of restoration"? If so, please explain, because I don't. Thanks.
Sorry, I'm not following this.
I've already addressed Rev 19. The wording doesn't suggest a prior event, but one that is about to occur.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
Sorry, but I fail to see how this supports a pre-trib U-turn.
I would be convinced IF IF IF there were verses that clearly indicate that Jesus resurrects/raptures "those who belong to Him" and takes them back to heaven. That would do it.
But all I see are constructs. No evidence.
Plus, Jesus is "received in heaven UNTIL the restoration". Or remains, or stays. That completely eviserates a pre-trib rapture.
Again, it doesn't say, "UNTIL the restoration"... It says, "...UNTIL the TIMES of restoration OF ALL THINGS OF WHICH GOD SPOKE BY the mouth of all His holy prophets from the age"
I've said (over and over) "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER/FESTIVITIES" *is* the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom (or at the very least, its inauguration)... located ON THE EARTH, so yes, they are about to "head back down... TO it [FOR its commencing]"...
--the "HAVING BEEN INVITED" part speaks of the "INVITATION" that has been going on throughout the trib years ON THE EARTH, done by the "inviters" (I already spelled that out in past posts--those "INVITERS" are "on the earth" in/during/within the trib yrs... they are "INVITING" TO the earthly MK age / "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" [also "on the earth, i.e. the earthly MK age]... this pertains to "the invited 'GUESTS [PLURAL]'"--"those [plural] having been INVITED [perfect tense]" Rev19:9)...
--"the MARRIAGE" itself (Rev19:7) is DISTINCT, and pertains to "the Bride/Wife [SINGULAR]"... and for that, the text just says, "[the marriage] CAME" (see below) and "[bride/wife] PREPARED" (see below):
1) "CAME" - this same word is used HERE: Matthew 12:42 Greek Text Analysis (biblehub.com) Matt12:42 "[re: queen of the south] she CAME" (a long time before this thing that was now being SAID of her, in this text);
2) "PREPARED" - this same word is used here: Greek Concordance: ἡτοίμασεν (hētoimasen) -- 3 Occurrences (biblehub.com) , one example: 1Cor2:9 - "has not entered into heart of man, what God PREPARED for those loving Him." (How long before this was said in 1Cor2, had He "PREPARED"?)
--"the MARRIAGE" itself (Rev19:7) is DISTINCT, and pertains to "the Bride/Wife [SINGULAR]"... and for that, the text just says, "[the marriage] CAME" (see below) and "[bride/wife] PREPARED" (see below):
1) "CAME" - this same word is used HERE: Matthew 12:42 Greek Text Analysis (biblehub.com) Matt12:42 "[re: queen of the south] she CAME" (a long time before this thing that was now being SAID of her, in this text);
2) "PREPARED" - this same word is used here: Greek Concordance: ἡτοίμασεν (hētoimasen) -- 3 Occurrences (biblehub.com) , one example: 1Cor2:9 - "has not entered into heart of man, what God PREPARED for those loving Him." (How long before this was said in 1Cor2, had He "PREPARED"?)
My contention is that "the MARRIAGE" itself has taken place IN HEAVEN, by this point (pertaining solely to "the BRIDE/WIFE [SINGULAR]"), and now they are headed back down to the earth FOR "the marriage FEAST/SUPPER/FESTIVITIES" (the earthly MK, its inauguration... WHERE those [plural] "having been INVITED" [throughout the earthly TRIB yrs], i.e. "the GUESTS [PLURAL]" [etc], are still-located / have never "lifted off" from, and don't ever, because "Rapture" does not pertain to THOSE saints: both OT saints [now 'resurrected' FOR it] and Trib saints [whether having DIED in the trib and now 'resurrected' FOR it; or are 'still-living' like Dan12:12's "BLESSED" and about 8 parallel passages to this, as I've said])
I've pointed out 1Cor12:12, "For, even as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of the one body, being many, are one body, so also is the Christ" (Paul points this out over and over and over, in many different ways)... see also, Eph5 - "[...] even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church."... Then see also Gen2:22 - "And from the rib that the LORD God had taken from the man, He made a woman and brought her to him." (This took place ON THE SIXTH DAY, not "the 7th [/the LAST] day" [pertaining to others, as both Job and Martha acknowledged and KNEW WELL (it was NO "MYSTERY" to them!)].)
...doubt I can convince you...
But all I see are constructs. No evidence.