Consider if it is selfish to prevent a path to the light from getting out to the unbelievers. What do think God is going to say about that?
Is the double slit experiment proof of original sin?
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yeah that's exactly what i'm talking about --
suppose what you said is true; you can imagine X and we can't.
you could have posted an attempt at explaining X from a perspective we can understand. like a tutor doing their job would do; try explaining a concept several ways until something clicks with the person who needs instruction. as though you actually care about others.
but instead you posted "y'all too dumb to even imagine X" -- so i think, you're not interested in the truth about X, not to the point that you want it to be understood. i think that what you are interested in, is being more clever than others, and for others to look at you as tho you are. as though you only care about yourself.
am i close?
the universe is both.
depending on how you probe at the universe, it either behaves like a mass or like an oscillation.
the difference is in the observation of it - the substance is dualistic.
Right, you guys didn't attack me first. You get scared because you don't understand something and lash out like children instead of asking for specifics.
this is different than the 'wave' of the quantum mechanical description of the universe. that's a 'wave' in probability space, which isn't the same as the wave-like properties of the created things. this is describing creation in statistical terms, which is to say, they are indeterminate. that's fundamentally different than saying that solid things behave like oscillating fields from certain perspectives.
saying the universe is fundamentally "waveform" in the context of QM is saying that the future is unknowable to us and the present is untouchable. it's not saying that physicality is illusion, and it's not saying that physicality is evil. it's saying that physicality - "the things which were made" - is beyond knowing, in any sense that any human being could ever know, or even the universe itself could know. it has freedom; it is past finding out.
the photons that are unobserved before going through the slits make interference patterns on a wall opposite the slits. like they are wave-like.
but the photons make the pattern because they actually strike the wall opposite the slits, and reflect off it. like they are particle-like, physical things.
you wouldn't see anything at all if they didn't behave like particles. everything you've ever seen, is reflected light. photons acting not like waves, but like point-masses. everyone would be blind if not for the particle-like properties of photonic light.
so it is also saying that physicality - the things which were created - exists and that it has existence by virtue of being observed by a Consciousness which can see the unseen, and know the unknowable. that can make visible the invisible.
the universe, all that the Creator created in it, both the things that are seen and the things that are unseen, is at basic levels, like the casting of lots. and the lot is cast in the lap, but its every turning is of the LORD -- the Creator of these things. ((Proverbs 16:33))
just as the world would be blind if God, Who is Spirit, had not been manifest in the flesh, born the man Christ Jesus.
You guys also refuse to consider what it means to be able to sin. How can Heaven be exactly the same as here if sin will not be possible there?
i asked you like 2 months ago when did Satan sin?
was he physical? angelic? on earth? in heaven?
you didn't have an answer -- do you have one now?
where was Satan when he sinned?
was he cast out of heaven for being innocent?
who said sin is "impossible" in heaven? where is that written?
does the Bible say that?
does the Bible actually say the opposite of that?
Uhh, why did Jesus die for us if sin is possible in Heaven?
I already explained how Satan was the first to sin. Angels are not physical. But disorder in coherence is decoherence.
I already explained how Satan was the first to sin. Angels are not physical. But disorder in coherence is decoherence.
Do you want more scripture about heavenly bodies? I didn't make it up. Why would God want corruption in Heaven?
Jesus already explained that sin is not physical. it is expressed in physical ways but goodness and mercy are also expressed physically.
was Satan in heaven when he sinned?
was Satan innocent of sin when he was cast out of heaven - is God unjust?
Jesus ate a fish. and Jesus ascended. physically.
they thought, He is not resurrected physical. He proved He was physical by eating a fish. they were wrong, but He demonstrated the truth to them. they were in unbelief, but He taught them, and they believed. ((Luke 24:42-43))
**next**
"possible" is not "actual" -- which is one of the things that QM teaches us: that our existence is dependent on Him. He, omniscient He, upholds all things and by Him all things have their being.
do not be unbelieving, but believing
It's pointless to respond because I've already answered these in other threads ..to you. You'll just continue to ignore my answer.
lol, wow, sell me your book and refer me to read it
((or alternately, spend 30 seconds talking to another living soul))
do ya think i haven't told you the same things? you've still got the same heresy, and i'm still pointing out the same flaws.
welcome to 'discussion forum' ha
where was Satan when he sinned, in heaven?
was Satan cast out of heaven unjustly, while he was innocent, or did he sin in heaven?
why was there war in heaven?
For the 50th time. Satan was the first to sin. He caused disorder in God's Kingdom. God's Kingdom is orderly ..that means it is coherent. Disorder in Coherence is DECOHERENCE. Satan is the ruler and has authority because he started this place. Corruption and Fallen = Satan. You can't have decoherence without coherence being here first. Satan doesn't create anything. Disorder of coherence can cause physical uniqueness and physical history.
War in heaven is war in heaven between angels.
War in heaven is war in heaven between angels.
Disorder in coherence causes things to be finite. Finite objects can be about themselves. They can sin.
Everything about this place is about sin. Gravity, Age, Physicality (uniqueness/history), Entropy, Decay, and Death.
Does anyone think we will be able to "pleasure" ourselves in Heaven? You need a physical body for that.
Everything about this place is about sin. Gravity, Age, Physicality (uniqueness/history), Entropy, Decay, and Death.
Does anyone think we will be able to "pleasure" ourselves in Heaven? You need a physical body for that.