Mormonism's Impossible gospel - Keith Walker

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ChosenbyHim

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False Religions and Cults have always taught a works based salvation. But then there are cults which are a bit more subtil in how they do it. Mormonism is one of those cults. And Mormons are so subtil and deceptive in how they operate and teach, that Christians have had to write articles explaining the difference between 'Christian Grace' and 'Mormon Grace.' Since Mormons (like Catholics) use the very same terminology (terms such as: Grace, Salvation, Heaven, Mercy, etc.) that Christians use. The only thing is, the Mormons redefine those terms. And 'Mormon Grace' is NOT Bible Grace. This is why it is so important to allow the Holy Bible to define its own terms. If it weren't for God's living, infallible word, the blessed King James Holy Bible, we would not know what true Grace is. And we would not know what Mercy and Salvation are. The way Mormonism attacks Biblical Grace, is that it redefines it. As you will see in the upcoming teaching. Mormons believe they merit and earn grace by performing good works. And only after doing all that they can do. In other words, they believe they have to be worthy and deserving of Grace. This is NOT Grace at all. True Grace can NOT be merited. If we have to do something to earn or merit Grace, it is not real Grace. True Grace is defined by God's word, the King James Bible. And according to the Holy Bible, Grace is unmeritable. It cannot be earned. It can only be received. This is also why a person does not have to repent of or turn from his sins in order to be saved. For If one did have to quit and stop sinning before he could be saved, then he would have to do good works to be saved. And we know this is not true, since the Bible says Salvation is by Grace through Faith. Only a Christian can repent and turn from his sins, since he has Two Natures and has the Holy Ghost in him.


What is the Impossible gospel?
The "impossible gospel" is a presentation to Mormons showing the hopelessness and impossibility of the Mormon gospel. It attempts to help Mormons reflect on the actual teachings of Mormonism and the Book of Mormon. It is designed to remove the complacency and lack of urgency most Mormons have toward their own teachings on the gospel. In the teaching to follow, Keith Walker speaks on Mormonism's unrealistic view of repentance and contrasts it with a Biblical view of grace. In his message, Keith also gives a definition of Repentance. But the two kinds of Repentance should be mentioned beforehand. Remember, Repentance Before Salvation is simply a Conversion of One's Trust. It is when a sinner converts his trust from anything that he is trusting in, and converts that trust onto Jesus Christ alone for Salvation. Repentance before Salvation can also be described as a Conversion of One's Trust from dumb idols & dead works UNTO the living Word (Jesus Christ) and His Finished Work on Calvary's Cross. After Salvation, then a person can Repent of their sins. In other words, Repentance of Sins is only for saved people.

 

Truth7t7

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#2
False Religions and Cults have always taught a works based salvation. But then there are cults which are a bit more subtil in how they do it. Mormonism is one of those cults. And Mormons are so subtil and deceptive in how they operate and teach, that Christians have had to write articles explaining the difference between 'Christian Grace' and 'Mormon Grace.' Since Mormons (like Catholics) use the very same terminology (terms such as: Grace, Salvation, Heaven, Mercy, etc.) that Christians use. The only thing is, the Mormons redefine those terms. And 'Mormon Grace' is NOT Bible Grace. This is why it is so important to allow the Holy Bible to define its own terms. If it weren't for God's living, infallible word, the blessed King James Holy Bible, we would not know what true Grace is. And we would not know what Mercy and Salvation are. The way Mormonism attacks Biblical Grace, is that it redefines it. As you will see in the upcoming teaching. Mormons believe they merit and earn grace by performing good works. And only after doing all that they can do. In other words, they believe they have to be worthy and deserving of Grace. This is NOT Grace at all. True Grace can NOT be merited. If we have to do something to earn or merit Grace, it is not real Grace. True Grace is defined by God's word, the King James Bible. And according to the Holy Bible, Grace is unmeritable. It cannot be earned. It can only be received. This is also why a person does not have to repent of or turn from his sins in order to be saved. For If one did have to quit and stop sinning before he could be saved, then he would have to do good works to be saved. And we know this is not true, since the Bible says Salvation is by Grace through Faith. Only a Christian can repent and turn from his sins, since he has Two Natures and has the Holy Ghost in him.


What is the Impossible gospel?
The "impossible gospel" is a presentation to Mormons showing the hopelessness and impossibility of the Mormon gospel. It attempts to help Mormons reflect on the actual teachings of Mormonism and the Book of Mormon. It is designed to remove the complacency and lack of urgency most Mormons have toward their own teachings on the gospel. In the teaching to follow, Keith Walker speaks on Mormonism's unrealistic view of repentance and contrasts it with a Biblical view of grace. In his message, Keith also gives a definition of Repentance. But the two kinds of Repentance should be mentioned beforehand. Remember, Repentance Before Salvation is simply a Conversion of One's Trust. It is when a sinner converts his trust from anything that he is trusting in, and converts that trust onto Jesus Christ alone for Salvation. Repentance before Salvation can also be described as a Conversion of One's Trust from dumb idols & dead works UNTO the living Word (Jesus Christ) and His Finished Work on Calvary's Cross. After Salvation, then a person can Repent of their sins. In other words, Repentance of Sins is only for saved people.

Actually Joseph Smith was a (Freemason) involved in the occult, the Mormon secret Temple rituals and initiations are straight out of occultic freemasonry.
 

Ahwatukee

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#3
False Religions and Cults have always taught a works based salvation. But then there are cults which are a bit more subtil in how they do it. Mormonism is one of those cults. And Mormons are so subtil and deceptive in how they operate and teach, that Christians have had to write articles explaining the difference between 'Christian Grace' and 'Mormon Grace.' Since Mormons (like Catholics) use the very same terminology (terms such as: Grace, Salvation, Heaven, Mercy, etc.) that Christians use. The only thing is, the Mormons redefine those terms. And 'Mormon Grace' is NOT Bible Grace. This is why it is so important to allow the Holy Bible to define its own terms. If it weren't for God's living, infallible word, the blessed King James Holy Bible, we would not know what true Grace is. And we would not know what Mercy and Salvation are. The way Mormonism attacks Biblical Grace, is that it redefines it. As you will see in the upcoming teaching. Mormons believe they merit and earn grace by performing good works. And only after doing all that they can do. In other words, they believe they have to be worthy and deserving of Grace. This is NOT Grace at all. True Grace can NOT be merited. If we have to do something to earn or merit Grace, it is not real Grace. True Grace is defined by God's word, the King James Bible. And according to the Holy Bible, Grace is unmeritable. It cannot be earned. It can only be received. This is also why a person does not have to repent of or turn from his sins in order to be saved. For If one did have to quit and stop sinning before he could be saved, then he would have to do good works to be saved. And we know this is not true, since the Bible says Salvation is by Grace through Faith. Only a Christian can repent and turn from his sins, since he has Two Natures and has the Holy Ghost in him.


What is the Impossible gospel?
The "impossible gospel" is a presentation to Mormons showing the hopelessness and impossibility of the Mormon gospel. It attempts to help Mormons reflect on the actual teachings of Mormonism and the Book of Mormon. It is designed to remove the complacency and lack of urgency most Mormons have toward their own teachings on the gospel. In the teaching to follow, Keith Walker speaks on Mormonism's unrealistic view of repentance and contrasts it with a Biblical view of grace. In his message, Keith also gives a definition of Repentance. But the two kinds of Repentance should be mentioned beforehand. Remember, Repentance Before Salvation is simply a Conversion of One's Trust. It is when a sinner converts his trust from anything that he is trusting in, and converts that trust onto Jesus Christ alone for Salvation. Repentance before Salvation can also be described as a Conversion of One's Trust from dumb idols & dead works UNTO the living Word (Jesus Christ) and His Finished Work on Calvary's Cross. After Salvation, then a person can Repent of their sins. In other words, Repentance of Sins is only for saved people.

Hello chosenbyhim!

When it comes to dealing with Mormon's, it is not needful to get caught up in debating scripture with them, but to go straight to the heart of the matter, which is that they believe that Jesus was a spirit-brother of Lucifer and therefore to them He is only a created being. Because of this belief there is no reason to go any further with them, for they are believing in another Lord and another gospel. That should be the focal point of any debate with a Mormon.
 
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I'm not a Mormon. Im just reminding y'all that the bible clearly says that we will be judged on what we have done...
It was always the belief for 1,500 years before this notion of easy salvation came along

1 Corinthians 3:8
Now he who plants and he who waters are one, but each will receive his own reward according to his own labor.

Colossians 3:25
For he who does wrong will receive the consequences of the wrong which he has done, and that without partiality.

Romans 2:6
God “will repay each person according to what they have done.

2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

1 Peter 1:17
If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth;

Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.

Psalm 62:12
And lovingkindness is Yours, O Lord,
For You recompense a man according to his work.

James 2:26

As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

And there are plenty more verses where they came from...
Why people would prefer to show God bad works instead of good works is beyond me.
And why people are so willing to ignore such clear instruction from the bible is beyond me also.
 

NOV25

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#5
False Religions and Cults have always taught a works based salvation. But then there are cults which are a bit more subtil in how they do it. Mormonism is one of those cults. And Mormons are so subtil and deceptive in how they operate and teach, that Christians have had to write articles explaining the difference between 'Christian Grace' and 'Mormon Grace.' Since Mormons (like Catholics) use the very same terminology (terms such as: Grace, Salvation, Heaven, Mercy, etc.) that Christians use. The only thing is, the Mormons redefine those terms. And 'Mormon Grace' is NOT Bible Grace. This is why it is so important to allow the Holy Bible to define its own terms. If it weren't for God's living, infallible word, the blessed King James Holy Bible, we would not know what true Grace is. And we would not know what Mercy and Salvation are. The way Mormonism attacks Biblical Grace, is that it redefines it. As you will see in the upcoming teaching. Mormons believe they merit and earn grace by performing good works. And only after doing all that they can do. In other words, they believe they have to be worthy and deserving of Grace. This is NOT Grace at all. True Grace can NOT be merited. If we have to do something to earn or merit Grace, it is not real Grace. True Grace is defined by God's word, the King James Bible. And according to the Holy Bible, Grace is unmeritable. It cannot be earned. It can only be received. This is also why a person does not have to repent of or turn from his sins in order to be saved. For If one did have to quit and stop sinning before he could be saved, then he would have to do good works to be saved. And we know this is not true, since the Bible says Salvation is by Grace through Faith. Only a Christian can repent and turn from his sins, since he has Two Natures and has the Holy Ghost in him.


What is the Impossible gospel?
The "impossible gospel" is a presentation to Mormons showing the hopelessness and impossibility of the Mormon gospel. It attempts to help Mormons reflect on the actual teachings of Mormonism and the Book of Mormon. It is designed to remove the complacency and lack of urgency most Mormons have toward their own teachings on the gospel. In the teaching to follow, Keith Walker speaks on Mormonism's unrealistic view of repentance and contrasts it with a Biblical view of grace. In his message, Keith also gives a definition of Repentance. But the two kinds of Repentance should be mentioned beforehand. Remember, Repentance Before Salvation is simply a Conversion of One's Trust. It is when a sinner converts his trust from anything that he is trusting in, and converts that trust onto Jesus Christ alone for Salvation. Repentance before Salvation can also be described as a Conversion of One's Trust from dumb idols & dead works UNTO the living Word (Jesus Christ) and His Finished Work on Calvary's Cross. After Salvation, then a person can Repent of their sins. In other words, Repentance of Sins is only for saved people.

Do Mormons believe something about Lucifer and a spacecraft? I don’t remember exactly...
 

Nehemiah6

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This is also why a person does not have to repent of or turn from his sins in order to be saved.
Well now who is the one preaching another gospel?

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord (Acts 3:19)

Before we criticize Mormonism we had better get our own Gospel from the Bible.
 

Adstar

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I'm not a Mormon. Im just reminding y'all that the bible clearly says that we will be judged on what we have done...
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So clearly tell us what you believe the judgements depending on our works will include?
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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I'm not a Mormon. Im just reminding y'all that the bible clearly says that we will be judged on what we have done...
It was always the belief for 1,500 years before this notion of easy salvation came along

1 Corinthians 3:8
Now he who plants and he who waters are one, but each will receive his own reward according to his own labor.

Colossians 3:25
For he who does wrong will receive the consequences of the wrong which he has done, and that without partiality.

Romans 2:6
God “will repay each person according to what they have done.

2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

1 Peter 1:17
If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth;

Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.

Psalm 62:12
And lovingkindness is Yours, O Lord,
For You recompense a man according to his work.

James 2:26

As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

And there are plenty more verses where they came from...
Why people would prefer to show God bad works instead of good works is beyond me.
And why people are so willing to ignore such clear instruction from the bible is beyond me also.
each one’s work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.
1 Corinthians 3:13‭-‬15 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/1co.3.13-15.ESV

This is the point. Our salvation is not of works. Every believer will have good and bad works, and they will be rewarded apart from salvation.

If your faith is in your works rather than Christ your in danger. Jesus warns us of such.

On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Matthew 7:22‭-‬23 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/mat.7.22-23.ESV

Then Jesus goes on to say build your house upon a rock.
 

throughfaith

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I'm not a Mormon. Im just reminding y'all that the bible clearly says that we will be judged on what we have done...
It was always the belief for 1,500 years before this notion of easy salvation came along

1 Corinthians 3:8
Now he who plants and he who waters are one, but each will receive his own reward according to his own labor.

Colossians 3:25
For he who does wrong will receive the consequences of the wrong which he has done, and that without partiality.


Romans 2:6
God “will repay each person according to what they have done.


2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.


1 Peter 1:17
If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth;


Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.


Psalm 62:12
And lovingkindness is Yours, O Lord,
For You recompense a man according to his work.


James 2:26
As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

And there are plenty more verses where they came from...
Why people would prefer to show God bad works instead of good works is beyond me.
And why people are so willing to ignore such clear instruction from the bible is beyond me also.
There is a ' verse ' for every false religion and cult . Simply quoting single verses out of context as if they imply what you think is a bad bible study .
 

throughfaith

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Well now who is the one preaching another gospel?

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord (Acts 3:19)

Before we criticize Mormonism we had better get our own Gospel from the Bible.
Thats Peter speaking to Israel . There isn't a gentile in focus until nearly 10 years after Acts 3 with Cornelius. Our sins are not blotted out when Jesus returns. That happened at the cross . Peter is speaking to ISRAEL about what they need to do .
 

throughfaith

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Do Mormons believe something about Lucifer and a spacecraft? I don’t remember exactly...
They believe that they were preexisting before as spirit babies , * of course they have no memory of this , 'chosen 'to come to earth to learn 'exaltation '( following the law , commandments temple marriage, baptised into the LDS Church to become a God on their own planet one day eventually if they 'endure to the end ' Through ' perseverance ' and works . Lordship salvation in the extreme .
 

throughfaith

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This will rattle those that follow Lordship salvation.
 

JaumeJ

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With any due respect, our judgment as believers will be determined just as is explained in the parable of the servants and how they each used their talent or talents of gold.
 

1ofthem

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Mormonism is not biblical. Sounds like they have a lot of weird doctrines.

But I still don't get why some people think "repent" is a bad 4 letter word. What is wrong with repenting? If we sin then why would we not want to repent?
 

JaumeJ

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My repenting was farly simple but I do not believe we all have the same experience in repenting for our faith is individual yet the same for all.
 

NOV25

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Not quite... Watch this short explanation on Mormonism...

Wow, is this video true? Is this what they really believe? Is anyone here Mormon?
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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I hate that. Don't explain to me what you are going to do and say for an hour. I'm here you have me get on with it. I'll figure out what you're doing. Because you'll be doing it. Waste my time like I have nothing to do but listen to you prattle on about what you're gonna do. I'd rather listen to chickens cluck.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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Not quite... Watch this short explanation on Mormonism...

This has got to be a joke. The morons believe this poppycock?