Jesus is Salvation correct? He entered the world through a womb correct. Mary could have said no correct?Mary?
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Jesus is Salvation correct? He entered the world through a womb correct. Mary could have said no correct?If Mary hadn't given birth to Jesus then he wouldn't have come into our world
So salvation came through Mary in that sense
Hey there's real blasphemy out there, ie toronto blessing/demon impartation that you can always go on a rampage about if you so desire!
The idea that Jesus was exactly like any of us , excepting of course having the Father as His own, is how those who come to know Him also come to realize He was a man of flesh just as each of us, being tempted with all the temptations that have driven man to commit all sins.
You know, providing you know the Scriptures, that when He was raised from the dead He would not allow anyone to touch Him because He had not yet been glorified in b Body. Why Thomas was instructed to touch Him is a lesson for us all, yet He told the woman, not to touch Him for His Body had not yet been glorified.
All these words will have no benefit for any who do not know Him to this extent for they have claimed to believe Him without yet understanding his teachings. Yes, Jesus-Yeshua is NOW God, He, and only He earned it, although before He became flesh, He was God...a lot to meditate on for some, but children understand in adoration and awe.
Then why doesn't the RCC venerate and honor King David? After all, it is expressly written in the Bible by the prophets and apostles that the "seed" of King David would bring salvation to the world. Is it because he was a Jew that he's not credited for the coming of Christ? Mary was a Jew, and yet only she is worshipped (since I have seen many times roman catholics bowing down before the alleged image of her).
There is more said about King David and his "seed" than there is about Mary. How is it that poor David is so left out? Is it because he was a man? After all, his being a man violates the feministic bent of modern thinking...
Thoughts?
MM
Not just her but we too can be handed the cup Jesus drank. Jesus taught us this. What did you think He meant? Jesus is an eternal being. Eternity entered time when God became man.
King david can't say about Jesus, bone of my bone flesh of my flesh. Only His virgin mother
If not Mary, then the Lord would have found some other vessel to give birth to the physical body that Divinity filled with Himself.
Is that not reasonable as well?
MM
So, you're not going to explain the difference between your statement about the eucharist and what that catechism actually says?
MM
Going on rampages may be your thing, but it is not mine.
Also, you do err to equate stating FACTS with going on a rampage.
Catholics are often irritably irrational that way.
Are you a Catholic also?
Also, you limit God.
Shame on you.
Some things that may interest all. David, from the Hebrew, means literally Beloved.
He was the son of Jesse, or My Redeemer.
He was of the line of Judah, ergo, at least in this regard, he was able to call Jesus_Yeshua bone of my bone etc.
Mary truly is the most blessed among women, and I always thank the Father for her. Many times I have been enticed to write that I learn from Mary's example. Humility without question is a lesson from her, and how to believe another. Whenever Mary would be stunned by her Son, that is did not understand, she would keep it to herself. I suppose many of these stunning events came to light for her much later, so whenever I do not truly understand anything, because of her lesson to me, I keep it to myself believing it by faith until it is revealed, if ever. I have waited for some understandings over fifty years. I do not mind this at all because faith keeps me in line.
God has no mother for He is the Alpha and the Omega. Mary is terrifies but never would she, in her humility and wisdom, could claim to be God' mother, for He IS, not was or became, He IS>
He was the son of Jesse, or My Redeemer.
He was of the line of Judah, ergo, at least in this regard, he was able to call Jesus_Yeshua bone of my bone etc.
Mary truly is the most blessed among women, and I always thank the Father for her. Many times I have been enticed to write that I learn from Mary's example. Humility without question is a lesson from her, and how to believe another. Whenever Mary would be stunned by her Son, that is did not understand, she would keep it to herself. I suppose many of these stunning events came to light for her much later, so whenever I do not truly understand anything, because of her lesson to me, I keep it to myself believing it by faith until it is revealed, if ever. I have waited for some understandings over fifty years. I do not mind this at all because faith keeps me in line.
God has no mother for He is the Alpha and the Omega. Mary is terrifies but never would she, in her humility and wisdom, could claim to be God' mother, for He IS, not was or became, He IS>
Benadam is full of it LOL. He says such things as: Adam and Eve's movements were all completely involuntary before the fall... which of course, translates into saying = Adam and Eve had no choice but to disobey God. However, you will prolly never get him (and those who spout such un-Biblical nonsense) to admit to the fact that they spout nonsense.
Ask them questions to where the Answers have to come back to what the KJV Bible states. They will know many of these and not think of it as KJV or Catholic Dogma. But have a [purpose to reveal something that is obvious to understand] when you discuss what those questions mean in relationship to the Word of God.
Thankyou Magenta, i was hoping you might see the humour a bit in my choice of words i wasn't offended,
no not Catholic just think their Christians too. i have a soft spot for their Mary devotion i think it's one of their better attributes that's all, better than say the pope but he's not going anywhere, plenty more want to fill those shoes!
Yes MM actually i think the difference is actually not so much to do with Mary as such
I think it's down to the idea that all Christians are alive in heaven and able to be talked to, so there's like a heavenly host that are topped by Christ and his mother is there and all the apostles (well maybe not one). But as she had special status on earth she does in heaven.
it's like a different perspective i suppose i'm not saying its better for realising Jesus in your life
no not Catholic just think their Christians too. i have a soft spot for their Mary devotion i think it's one of their better attributes that's all, better than say the pope but he's not going anywhere, plenty more want to fill those shoes!
Yes MM actually i think the difference is actually not so much to do with Mary as such
I think it's down to the idea that all Christians are alive in heaven and able to be talked to, so there's like a heavenly host that are topped by Christ and his mother is there and all the apostles (well maybe not one). But as she had special status on earth she does in heaven.
it's like a different perspective i suppose i'm not saying its better for realising Jesus in your life
Well, the real Mary being blessed among women doesn't elicit an image in my mind of her standing above all other of us saints in Heaven. She is among us, fully in need of a Savior as is true of all fallen mankind. The Bible nowhere says that she was without sin, and thus not in need of a Savior. She called Jesus her "savior," as opposed to some other religion's traditions and declarations to the contrary.
Would you not agree?
MM
Ah, okay. Interesting that you are fond of their blasphemy. Yes, I am being completely serious
And, Jesus did not accord any special status to Mary at all; in fact, He all but rebuked a woman who claimed Mary was blessed for having suckled/nursed/borne/weaned Him (see Luke 11:27-28). She was blessed among women, not above women. Are you aware that Jesus did not ever address Mary as His mother? While dying on the cross, He called her mother only that once as He was turning her over to John, but the term was used to denote her being John's mother, now, and John her son. Interesting, this is the text Catholics use to now call Mary "the mother of all." 
Mary is blessed among many
You know, the claim that Mary was sinless has also puzzled me for many years now. Nowhere does the Bible even hint at that, and yet it's a central doctrine of the RCC. Again, if her allegedly being sinless were true, why did the apostles fail to mention such?
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To go one step further, Mary is nowhere mentioned nor in the prophesies of the end times. One would think that had she been all that the RCC teaches their religious followers, why isn't she also playing a prominent part in the world's ending given that the real Jesus is ruling and reigning? If she is a co-redeemer and mediator between roman catholics and their Jesus, then would she not also be a part of the prophetic picture of the real Jesus sitting on the throne in Jerusalem in the thousand year millennium...or does the RCC believe in preterism?
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If you think about it, it is nonsense, for if she needed to be sinless so Jesus could be sinless, then her mother likewise would have needed to be sinless in order that Mary be born without the sin nature, and so on through all generations all the way back to Eve being sinless, and we know with certainty that is not the case (none are righteous, no, not one!). Beyond that, their belief that she was born without the influence/stain of Adam's sin perhaps plays a part in their other ex cathedra dogma of her bodily ascension to heaven, which again is nowhere recorded in Scripture, being a fanciful addition of the papist elite, who alarmingly love to wax poetic about her and then enshrine their wool gatherings as inerrant mandatory dogmas. But with this belief, they can claim she is alive in heaven and receives the prayers of the deceived, though again, nowhere are we told to pray to anyone in Heaven (aside from God), and further, that there is ONE mediator between God and man, and it is the man Jesus Christ, and not Mary, despite their blasphemous claims to the contrary!
It is also taught by the RCC that Mary created a massive "treasury" of merit from which all other roman catholics can benefit to lop off a few years of their time in the RCC "purgatory." They even teach the following:
"The treasury includes the prayers and good works of the blessed virgin Mary plus the prayers and good works of all the saints who attained their own salvation." (fraom vatican II)
Oh, my! That is utter blasphemy! That is Dark Ages nonsense, from which arose some of the most scandalous and horrifical teachings ever taught by mankind from deepest paganism. The real Mary would be turning over in her grave if doing such were possible. How can anyone think that any mortal man could ever attain his or her own salvation? If it were possible for any mortal man to attain his own salvation, then Jesus died for nothing. The ancient, Jewish, high priests needed the temporal cleansing of washing and sacrifices to enter into the Holy of Holies, otherwise they would drop dead and have to be pulled out by the rope tied around their ankle. Given the temporal nature of the sacrifices and the ritualistic cleansings, which pointed to the ultimate cleansing and sacrifice of Christ Jesus, how can anyone think that any mortal man could ever "attain" his own salvation? That absolutely boggles the mind, unless I were to blindly accept what is taught by men who may themselves be bound for a place where I don't want to be.
Can anyone clarify for me as to if there is an alternative understanding?
MM
"The treasury includes the prayers and good works of the blessed virgin Mary plus the prayers and good works of all the saints who attained their own salvation." (fraom vatican II)
Oh, my! That is utter blasphemy! That is Dark Ages nonsense, from which arose some of the most scandalous and horrifical teachings ever taught by mankind from deepest paganism. The real Mary would be turning over in her grave if doing such were possible. How can anyone think that any mortal man could ever attain his or her own salvation? If it were possible for any mortal man to attain his own salvation, then Jesus died for nothing. The ancient, Jewish, high priests needed the temporal cleansing of washing and sacrifices to enter into the Holy of Holies, otherwise they would drop dead and have to be pulled out by the rope tied around their ankle. Given the temporal nature of the sacrifices and the ritualistic cleansings, which pointed to the ultimate cleansing and sacrifice of Christ Jesus, how can anyone think that any mortal man could ever "attain" his own salvation? That absolutely boggles the mind, unless I were to blindly accept what is taught by men who may themselves be bound for a place where I don't want to be.
Can anyone clarify for me as to if there is an alternative understanding?
MM