Jesus and Paul -two different gospels?
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there's value to it. there's value to knowing what people think and why they think what they think. there's also value in that, if you have some idea and no one in all of Christendom has ever had the same idea, that's a red flag. and the people that agree with you, the other things they believe, and why, can be a good sign of what kind of idea you're entertaining.
i just don't generally care to read commentary. i do listen to a ton of preaching of all different ilk, which lol is not a whole lot different than reading commentary ((rather than listening to it)) -- but for whatever reason i just don't bother reading things people write in the margin of Bibles or books they publish attempting to tell me what the Bible means.
the comments in my pastor's Bible are half crossed out and he argues with them in prodigious notes in his margins. i think that's hilarious, and good. but personally i don't even read them in the first place; i skip it. maybe that's good of me, maybe not.
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If by "spiritual circumcision" you mean the New Birth -- regeneration -- then this is simply a matter of terminology. Almost all genuine evangelical and fundamentalist pastors will preach "You must be born again!"
The New Birth should be regarded as spiritual circumcision, in that the "flesh" (the old man, or the sin nature) is cut off, and the sinner receives a new heart and a new spirit. This is the circumcision "made without hands", since the New Birth is supernatural. The sinner is born from above, born of God, born of the Spirit, born again, regenerated, and made "a new creature (creation) in Christ. This is the work of the Holy Spirit.
The New Birth should be regarded as spiritual circumcision, in that the "flesh" (the old man, or the sin nature) is cut off, and the sinner receives a new heart and a new spirit. This is the circumcision "made without hands", since the New Birth is supernatural. The sinner is born from above, born of God, born of the Spirit, born again, regenerated, and made "a new creature (creation) in Christ. This is the work of the Holy Spirit.
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Actually, it's the everlasting gospel, and here's exactly what it says:
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Today, if I were to go around preaching this message, "Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made the heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters"...would anybody be getting saved?
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Today, if I were to go around preaching this message, "Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made the heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters"...would anybody be getting saved?
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I think we're talking past each other because i understand the Gospel as the bible says that it is the death ,burial and resurrection for our sins . I believe that if I just went around preaching the kingdom as they were in luke 9.6 ,which was also called good news , I would be heretical.
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How is it possible to have the Gospel of the Death , burial and resurrection be the same as the Gospel of the kingdom? The Gospel of the kingdom did not have the good news about Jesus death burial and resurrection for the sins of the world in it . It would not be good news to preach " Jesus has not died for your sins " today. Please tell me would it be good news today to preach luke 9.6 to a gentile today. A message that does not contain " Jesus died for your sins " ? I was not saved without believing in Jesus death and resurrection for my sins . In his blood .
the language here is enigmatic -- @Magenta my dear purple sister disagrees with my opinion here, and has good reason to -- as far as i have been self-taught ((which is not really being taught so take this with salt)) about Greek, the grammar can either be read as a command "search!" or a statement of factual observation "you search.."
i take it as a command. in my opinion, Jesus is telling them, search! because you think there is life in these words! and these are about Me!
Magenta takes it as a statement of fact. you people search, thinking there is life in these -- and they're speaking about Me, THE Life!
either way, i think, John 5:39 tells us what the whole purpose and meaning of scripture is. it's testimony of the person & work of the Messiah. Magenta and i both reach this same conclusion no matter how different the little nuances of our understanding may be
i take it as a command. in my opinion, Jesus is telling them, search! because you think there is life in these words! and these are about Me!
Magenta takes it as a statement of fact. you people search, thinking there is life in these -- and they're speaking about Me, THE Life!
either way, i think, John 5:39 tells us what the whole purpose and meaning of scripture is. it's testimony of the person & work of the Messiah. Magenta and i both reach this same conclusion no matter how different the little nuances of our understanding may be
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Wow. Nice job! Still, though . . . the "church" system that I was involved with never taught Circumcision . . . ever. It is this very word that links us to Abraham, hence, it is sad that no one used this word . . . especially in church. Imagine two little kids talking about circumcision in front of adults; oh, the horror of it! But . . . that is precisely what we need to be talking about. Once we get the word on our lips . . . we no longer think of it in terms of a physical idea, but it becomes a Spiritual idea, and the images of a man's phallus fade away.
I'll appreciate the day when I can get back to church and hopefully find a church that is willing to get to the "Heart" of the Bible . . . pun intended.
I'll appreciate the day when I can get back to church and hopefully find a church that is willing to get to the "Heart" of the Bible . . . pun intended.
IMO there is only one "good news"
it's the very name of Him; "God is Salvation = Yah Shuah" -- that's what Noah heard; that's what Abraham heard, that's what we hear.
anything other than "God saves" is bad news.
you can say, we're not supposed to build arks. but i will say, that is about Jesus. if you're just thinking it's about building boats you're missing the point. yeah he built a boat, but the only reason God put that in His book is because it's a picture of the Messiah. that's the point. it's always been the point. the point is Jesus and the gospel is a person, even that very same Christ. someone misunderstanding or failing to understand the point doesn't change the point.
it's the very name of Him; "God is Salvation = Yah Shuah" -- that's what Noah heard; that's what Abraham heard, that's what we hear.
anything other than "God saves" is bad news.
you can say, we're not supposed to build arks. but i will say, that is about Jesus. if you're just thinking it's about building boats you're missing the point. yeah he built a boat, but the only reason God put that in His book is because it's a picture of the Messiah. that's the point. it's always been the point. the point is Jesus and the gospel is a person, even that very same Christ. someone misunderstanding or failing to understand the point doesn't change the point.
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1 cor 15
1¶Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have recieved , and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what i preached unto you unless ye have believed in vain.
3¶For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Gal 1
3¶Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
who gave himself for our sins that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
5To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
6¶I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you , let him be accursed.
9As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that you have received, let him be accursed.
According to Galations which Gospel did they receive?
1¶Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have recieved , and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what i preached unto you unless ye have believed in vain.
3¶For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Gal 1
3¶Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
who gave himself for our sins that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
5To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
6¶I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you , let him be accursed.
9As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that you have received, let him be accursed.
According to Galations which Gospel did they receive?
the language here is enigmatic -- @Magenta my dear purple sister disagrees with my opinion here, and has good reason to -- as far as I have been self-taught ((which is not really being taught so take this with salt)) about Greek, the grammar can either be read as a command "search!" or a statement of factual observation "you search.."
I take it as a command. in my opinion, Jesus is telling them, search! because you think there is life in these words! and these are about Me!
Magenta takes it as a statement of fact. you people search, thinking there is life in these -- and they're speaking about Me, THE Life!
either way, I think, John 5:39 tells us what the whole purpose and meaning of scripture is. it's testimony of the person & work of the Messiah. Magenta and I both reach this same conclusion no matter how different the little nuances of our understanding may be
I take it as a command. in my opinion, Jesus is telling them, search! because you think there is life in these words! and these are about Me!
Magenta takes it as a statement of fact. you people search, thinking there is life in these -- and they're speaking about Me, THE Life!
either way, I think, John 5:39 tells us what the whole purpose and meaning of scripture is. it's testimony of the person & work of the Messiah. Magenta and I both reach this same conclusion no matter how different the little nuances of our understanding may be
Christ does four basic things:
1. Grants the ability to Truly and actually Repent (which means to ultimately have changed and improved.
2. Circumcises the Heart, specifically of the Carnal State, Sinful Nature, Sin Nature, Mind of Satan, the Curse of Adam and Eve . . . whatever we want to call it . . . Jesus removes that evil Veil so that we can finally see the Truth. Simply put . . . Jesus enables us to become exactly who He intends us to be, and this is initially done by relieving the Curse that has assured death. Christ defeats it through His Holy Operation of Faith (as the KJV puts it in Col 2:9-15).
3. The Death of Jesus pays the debt for our sin. He willingly exchanged His Life for our life, so that we might be free of the penalty for our sins. Hung on the cross, Jesus took our Curse and literally became, embodied, or took upon Himself that Curse for us all. He is unbelievable!
4. Jesus grants the Holy Spirit. And amazingly, the Spirit, too, grants Spiritual Gifts and abilities. But notice that verse 10 of Colossians 2:9-15 says that we are "whole and complete" in Christ. Isn't that amazing?! So check out what Paul says AFTER that . . . he then moves on to explain [how] a person becomes whole and complete in Christ.
Truly, there is no passage that explains the Work of Christ in the way that Colossians 2:9-15 does. I gleefully warn each reader . . . if you focus on Col 2:9-15 every day for a year . . . your doctrine won't be the same by the time your halfway done (with that year).
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And, Then SecondMost {is that a word?}, All of These, Correct?
{Please, by All Means, supply Any I may have "missed" - thanks!}
HIS Instruction to "study," According To The Following BIBLE Study Rules!?:
"According To The Scriptures!" :
(1) “Let ALL things be done Decently and In Order!”
(1 Corinthians 14:40 KJB!)
(2) Study ALL Scripture Rightly Divided! :
“Study to shew thyself Approved unto God, a workman that
needeth not to be ashamed, Rightly Dividing The Word Of Truth!”
(2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!)
(3) Never Ever add to, Or take away From, God’s PURE And Holy Word!
{ Including "God's Contexts!," Rightly Divided! # }
(Deuteronomy 4:2, 12:32; Proverbs 30:5-6; Revelation 22:18,19 KJB!)
(4) Be noble students :
“These (in Berea) were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in
that they received The Word with all readiness of mind, and
searched The Scriptures daily, Whether Those Things Were So!”
(Acts 17:11 KJB!)
(5) Build Sound Doctrine, God’s Way! :
(5a) “For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little!”
(Isaiah 28:10 KJB!)
(5b) Find ALL Related Scriptures For A Specific doctrine! :
”ALL Scripture Is Given By Inspiration Of God, And Is
Profitable For Doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness : that the man of God may
be perfect, throughly furnished unto ALL good works!”
(2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJB!)
(5c) Compare ALL Related Scriptures to learn and know a
specific doctrine! :
“Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s
wisdom teacheth, but Which The Holy Ghost Teacheth;
comparing spiritual things with spiritual!”
(1 Corinthians 2:13 KJB!)
{Comparing Scripture With Scripture!}
“Simplicity” in CHRIST! (2 Corinthians 11:3 KJB!) Amen?
(6) The Best "Interpretive" Commentary On The Bible Is :
The BIBLE Itself!
NEVER ever interpret The Many Plain Scriptures
by the "few" difficult verses, But, ALWAYS Always
Interpret the few Obscure/Difficult/Dubious verses
By ALL Of The MANY Plain and Clear Passages Of
God’s Pure And Holy Word!
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ONE Final Excellent Rule for Knowledgeable Bible study! :
(7) In order to Honor The Father And The SON (John 5:22-23 KJB!),
in Preparation For Judgment, Always keep {Uppermost} in mind :
”Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do,
do ALL to The Glory Of God!” (1 Corinthians 10:31 KJB!)
And then we ALL, who are "Called Into Fellowship With
God's SON,The LORD JESUS CHRIST" (1 Corinthians 1:9 KJB!), And,
"Endeavouring For The Unity Of God's Spirit In The Bond Of
PEACE!..." (Ephesians 4:3 KJB!), can obey God's Exhortations! :
”...speak...the things which become Sound Doctrine!”
(Tit 2 : 1 cp "SAME mind And judgment!" 1 Cor 1 : 10 KJB!)
Amen?
Would the Results of following All of God’s Rules Above Be:
“That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in
love, and unto all Riches of the Full Assurance Of Understanding,
to the acknowledgement of The Mystery # Of God, and of the Father,
and of CHRIST!” (Colossians 2:2 KJB!)?
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{Please, by All Means, supply Any I may have "missed" - thanks!}
HIS Instruction to "study," According To The Following BIBLE Study Rules!?:
"According To The Scriptures!" :
(1) “Let ALL things be done Decently and In Order!”
(1 Corinthians 14:40 KJB!)
(2) Study ALL Scripture Rightly Divided! :
“Study to shew thyself Approved unto God, a workman that
needeth not to be ashamed, Rightly Dividing The Word Of Truth!”
(2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!)
(3) Never Ever add to, Or take away From, God’s PURE And Holy Word!
{ Including "God's Contexts!," Rightly Divided! # }
(Deuteronomy 4:2, 12:32; Proverbs 30:5-6; Revelation 22:18,19 KJB!)
(4) Be noble students :
“These (in Berea) were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in
that they received The Word with all readiness of mind, and
searched The Scriptures daily, Whether Those Things Were So!”
(Acts 17:11 KJB!)
(5) Build Sound Doctrine, God’s Way! :
(5a) “For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little!”
(Isaiah 28:10 KJB!)
(5b) Find ALL Related Scriptures For A Specific doctrine! :
”ALL Scripture Is Given By Inspiration Of God, And Is
Profitable For Doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness : that the man of God may
be perfect, throughly furnished unto ALL good works!”
(2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJB!)
(5c) Compare ALL Related Scriptures to learn and know a
specific doctrine! :
“Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s
wisdom teacheth, but Which The Holy Ghost Teacheth;
comparing spiritual things with spiritual!”
(1 Corinthians 2:13 KJB!)
{Comparing Scripture With Scripture!}
“Simplicity” in CHRIST! (2 Corinthians 11:3 KJB!) Amen?
(6) The Best "Interpretive" Commentary On The Bible Is :
The BIBLE Itself!
NEVER ever interpret The Many Plain Scriptures
by the "few" difficult verses, But, ALWAYS Always
Interpret the few Obscure/Difficult/Dubious verses
By ALL Of The MANY Plain and Clear Passages Of
God’s Pure And Holy Word!
+
ONE Final Excellent Rule for Knowledgeable Bible study! :
(7) In order to Honor The Father And The SON (John 5:22-23 KJB!),
in Preparation For Judgment, Always keep {Uppermost} in mind :
”Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do,
do ALL to The Glory Of God!” (1 Corinthians 10:31 KJB!)
And then we ALL, who are "Called Into Fellowship With
God's SON,The LORD JESUS CHRIST" (1 Corinthians 1:9 KJB!), And,
"Endeavouring For The Unity Of God's Spirit In The Bond Of
PEACE!..." (Ephesians 4:3 KJB!), can obey God's Exhortations! :
”...speak...the things which become Sound Doctrine!”
(Tit 2 : 1 cp "SAME mind And judgment!" 1 Cor 1 : 10 KJB!)
Amen?
Would the Results of following All of God’s Rules Above Be:
“That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in
love, and unto all Riches of the Full Assurance Of Understanding,
to the acknowledgement of The Mystery # Of God, and of the Father,
and of CHRIST!” (Colossians 2:2 KJB!)?
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