Does Paul agree with David about the law as in Psalm 119?

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Blik

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Here is what David writes about the law:

Psalm 119:1 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the Lord.

24: Thy testimonies also are my delight and my counselors.

50: This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me.

72: The law of thy mouth is better unto me than thousands of gold and silver.

77: Let thy tender mercies come unto me, that I may live: for thy law is my delight.

97: O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.

103: How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!

105: Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

142: Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

Do you think Paul disagrees with David?
 

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Here is what David writes about the law:

Psalm 119:1 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the Lord.

24: Thy testimonies also are my delight and my counselors.

50: This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me.

72: The law of thy mouth is better unto me than thousands of gold and silver.

77: Let thy tender mercies come unto me, that I may live: for thy law is my delight.

97: O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.

103: How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!

105: Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

142: Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

Do you think Paul disagrees with David?
Sure he does! :)

Romans 7:12 NKJV - "Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good."

1 Timothy 1:8 NKJV - "But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully . . ."

These things said, David is the Father of Jesus. And considering that the Holy Spirit was with David as was the Spirit with Christ, it would make sense that David is also living by the Laws of the Spirit of Life. David shared in the Divine Nature of Christ, thus he was led and taught by the Spirit of God (even from the womb).

Romans 8:2 NKJV - "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death."
 
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Here is what David writes about the law:

Psalm 119:1 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the Lord.

24: Thy testimonies also are my delight and my counselors.

50: This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me.

72: The law of thy mouth is better unto me than thousands of gold and silver.

77: Let thy tender mercies come unto me, that I may live: for thy law is my delight.

97: O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.

103: How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!

105: Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

142: Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

Do you think Paul disagrees with David?
No he doesn't.
 
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Sure he does! :)

Romans 7:12 NKJV - "Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good."

1 Timothy 1:8 NKJV - "But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully . . ."

These things said, David is the Father of Jesus. And considering that the Holy Spirit was with David as was the Spirit with Christ, it would make sense that David is also living by the Laws of the Spirit of Life. David shared in the Divine Nature of Christ, thus he was led and taught by the Spirit of God (even from the womb).

Romans 8:2 NKJV - "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death."
Hello.

Luke 2
48And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. 49And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? 50And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.

It was here where Jesus His Pre-Eminence revealed that joseph is not HIS father. Actually, HE has no father because HE is GOD.

King David is not the father of jesus His Pre-Eminence, and HE revealed that also here.

Matt 2
44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.


Here HE revealed that King David is not HIS father. Rather, King David is a Patriarch of the 12 tribes of Israel.

Jesus His Pre-Eminence is not the seed of David, HE is the GOD of David. There is no biological lineage for Jesus His Pre-Eminence, HE is the GOD of Man.
 

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Hello.

Luke 2
48And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. 49And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? 50And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.

It was here where Jesus His Pre-Eminence revealed that joseph is not HIS father. Actually, HE has no father because HE is GOD.

King David is not the father of jesus His Pre-Eminence, and HE revealed that also here.

Matt 2
44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

Here HE revealed that King David is not HIS father. Rather, King David is a Patriarch of the 12 tribes of Israel.

Jesus His Pre-Eminence is not the seed of David, HE is the GOD of David. There is no biological lineage for Jesus His Pre-Eminence, HE is the GOD of Man.
There is a genealogy of Jesus in Luke and Matthew that tells us Jesus was of the line of David.
 
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There is a genealogy of Jesus in Luke and Matthew that tells us Jesus was of the line of David.
Who is the father of GOD? Do you know that in that genealogy, it is written that Adam is the son of GOD?
 

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Here is what David writes about the law:

Psalm 119:1 Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the Lord.

24: Thy testimonies also are my delight and my counselors.

50: This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me.

72: The law of thy mouth is better unto me than thousands of gold and silver.

77: Let thy tender mercies come unto me, that I may live: for thy law is my delight.

97: O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.

103: How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!

105: Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

142: Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

Do you think Paul disagrees with David?



Paul agrees. The psalmist here is referring to those who are God's children.

154 Plead my cause and redeem me;
give me life according to your promise!


I think the Psalmist knows that no one can keep the law perfectly, and the only way they can is by the power of God himself:

88 In your steadfast love give me life,
that I may keep the testimonies of your mouth.


When Paul is referring to the law and that it kills he is referring to the unregenerate:

5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6 For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. (Romans 8)
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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All the prophets agree with one another.
If you think there is conflict, keep reading & seek the counsel of scripture as a whole with the guidance of The Holy Spirit.
 

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King David is not the father of Jesus His Pre-Eminence, and HE revealed that also here.
I see. Well, the fifteen Bibles I have all say the same thing:

Matthew 1:1 NKJV - "The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham . . ."

I can also see that discussion with you isn't going to get anyone anywhere. I wish you the best.
 
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I see. Well, the fifteen Bibles I have all say the same thing:

Matthew 1:1 NKJV - "The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham . . ."

I can also see that discussion with you isn't going to get anyone anywhere. I wish you the best.
I can't understand why so many people ignore the words of Jesus His Pre-Eminence yet they claim to be christians.

What did Jesus His Pre-Eminence say on the matter?

I understand, the revelations ive shared are deep, to deep for many people, especially those who are not seekers.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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There is a genealogy of Jesus in Luke and Matthew that tells us Jesus was of the line of David.
And to make the matter certain, he is the son of David on both sides.
Biologically by his mother and by adoption from his earthly father.

Matt 22
41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 ‘What do you think about the Messiah? Whose son is he?’

‘The son of David,’ they replied.

43 He said to them, ‘How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him “Lord”? For he says,

44 ‘“The Lord said to my Lord:
‘Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your feet.’”

45 If then David calls him “Lord”, how can he be his son?’
46 No one could say a word in reply, and from that day on no one dared to ask him any more questions.

Rev 22:16
16 ‘I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches.
I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.’
 
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And to make the matter certain, he is the son of David on both sides.
Biologically by his mother and by adoption from his earthly father.

Matt 22
41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 ‘What do you think about the Messiah? Whose son is he?’

‘The son of David,’ they replied.

43 He said to them, ‘How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him “Lord”? For he says,

44 ‘“The Lord said to my Lord:
‘Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your feet.’”

45 If then David calls him “Lord”, how can he be his son?’
46 No one could say a word in reply, and from that day on no one dared to ask him any more questions.

Rev 22:16
16 ‘I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches.
I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.’
HE is GOD. GOD is not the son of any man......

You even posted the verses where HE says that HE is not the son of david. And then claim HE is.

That is unbelievable to me. There is a reason why those that called HIM the son of david were also said to be blind.

Spiritual blindeness is terrible thing.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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I can't understand why so many people ignore the words of Jesus His Pre-Eminence yet they claim to be christians.

What did Jesus His Pre-Eminence say on the matter?

I understand, the revelations ive shared are deep, to deep for many people, especially those who are not seekers.
Do you see a man who is wise in his own eyes?
There is more hope for a fool than for him.

Prov 26:12
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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HE is GOD. GOD is not the son of any man......

You even posted the verses where HE says that HE is not the son of david. And then claim HE is.

That is unbelievable to me. There is a reason why those that called HIM the son of david were also said to be blind.

Spiritual blindeness is terrible thing.
You are unable to grasp the concept of a rhetorical question it seems. Jesus (a Rabbi) was teaching the Pharisees.
 
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Do you see a man who is wise in his own eyes?
There is more hope for a fool than for him.

Prov 26:12
Lol you quote that in attempt to show what? Where did Jesus His Pre-Eminence say HE is the Son of David?

on the contrary, HE said HE is the LORD of david.

Yet people just ignore what HE said.

Do you know the place where you are supposed to go for wisdom is to the WORDS of Jesus His Pre-Eminence?

HE said:
42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.

This is proof, that people do not hearken to HIS WORDS at all.
 

Blik

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I can't understand why so many people ignore the words of Jesus His Pre-Eminence yet they claim to be christians.

What did Jesus His Pre-Eminence say on the matter?

I understand, the revelations ive shared are deep, to deep for many people, especially those who are not seekers.
We all know Jesus is God, who took on the body of a human to show us that God gives us eternal life and to establish that. That human was in the line of David.

The question here is not about that, it is whether Paul and David were in agreement. We have some wonderful posts that relates to that question.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Lol you quote that in attempt to show what? Where did Jesus His Pre-Eminence say HE is the Son of David?

on the contrary, HE said HE is the LORD of david.

Yet people just ignore what HE said.

Do you know the place where you are supposed to go for wisdom is to the WORDS of Jesus His Pre-Eminence?

HE said:
42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.

This is proof, that people do not hearken to HIS WORDS at all.
What part of this are you struggling with?
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We all know Jesus is God, who took on the body of a human to show us that God gives us eternal life and to establish that. That human was in the line of David.

The question here is not about that, it is whether Paul and David were in agreement. We have some wonderful posts that relates to that question.
No, they are not in agreement... Ive answered this already. You were the one that replied to me saying there is the genealogy....

If you know that HE is GOD, then why would you say HE has a father? And how could King David be HIS father.

The GOD I know, has no beginning and no end.