Does Paul agree with David about the law as in Psalm 119?

[throughfaith]

Its Not About Paul agreeing with an old testament verse . He would have understood the verse very well . In context .

 

[throughfaith]

From this I understand that you say that Paul tells us not to listen to the law, and David tells us to listen to the law so Paul opposes David. Is this a correct understanding of your interpretation?

' understand ' the law and its purpose .

 

[Blik]

I assure you, I am not twisting anything. I'm not the only person who has called you out on your beliefs or your behaviour.

The individual ordinances are not mere "helps". They are LAWS. If the Israelites contravened them, they faced serious consequences.

So you are basing that you feel that discussing this issue has to be done with fighting words and with acquisitions on your definition of law?

I don't think that your position that you can say what you do about "law" even if you can justify it by saying we must listen to the Holy Spirit to learn what law to listen to justifies your fighting accusing words.

 

[Dino246]

So you are basing that you feel that discussing this issue has to be done with fighting words and with acquisitions on your definition of law?

I don't think that your position that you can say what you do about "law" even if you can justify it by saying we must listen to the Holy Spirit to learn what law to listen to justifies your fighting accusing words.

When someone misquotes you, you get your knickers in a twist. Yet you are quite liberal in your misquotations of others. That is hypocrisy.

What you call "fighting accusing words", I call being done with going around in circles, and instead, getting straight to the crux of the matter.

It is evident from your many threads on the subject that you do not understand the Christian's relationship to the Mosaic law, and instead continually try to convince others that we are to obey the Law. You don't rest in the finished work of Jesus Christ. You don't trust that, in Christ, IT IS FINISHED. Until you stop trying to get your assurance from your own works of obedience, you will feel insecure in your relationship with God.

 

[BenFTW]

Respectfully, the issue is not on my end.

Christians are not under/subject to the Law as given through Moses. The Law is not our master. We do not have to abide by every ordinance to remain in good standing with God. Males do not have to be circumcised. Females do not need to hide themselves for 33 (or 66) days after childbirth. We do not need to wear fabric made from only one kind of thread, have the mould in our bathroom tile grout inspected by the priest, stone adulterers, bring the tenth of our agricultural produce to the Levites, or show up at the tabernacle for an assembly three times each year.

NOTHING WHATSOEVER in that paragraph even HINTS at "We do not need to listen to the Law" or "We can ignore the Law". NOTHING.

You are taking my words, "A - B - C" and claiming that I am saying, "X - Y - Z". You do this consistently, with everyone, and frankly, it's tiresome. It's very difficult to explain anything to you such that you will understand, because you warp and confuse the words you read.

The Law was given to ancient ISRAEL, not to the Church. It was part of a specific covenant made for a specific purpose with a specific people at a specific time in history. Christians are NOT party to that covenant. We are party to the new covenant in Christ's blood. We are under a DIFFERENT covenant.

Read the Old Testament in that light. Ask the Holy Spirit to give you discernment so that you can understand which principles in the Law are good for Christians to follow (there are many). Ask Him to give you the necessary understanding so you can read the Law without thinking you need to obey its requirements.

So what you are saying is... bacon is permissible?

I have found in this discussion, people find it hard to isolate themselves from the Law because of the moral law aspect of it. Sin is sin, period. Is how people see it. So when people start suggesting we aren’t under the Law, they feel that we are attacking eternal truths or absolute/objective morality.

The question to ask is, where does our righteousness come from? The Law or the Spirit?

 

[Blik]

When someone misquotes you, you get your knickers in a twist. Yet you are quite liberal in your misquotations of others. That is hypocrisy.

What you call "fighting accusing words", I call being done with going around in circles, and instead, getting straight to the crux of the matter.

It is evident from your many threads on the subject that you do not understand the Christian's relationship to the Mosaic law, and instead continually try to convince others that we are to obey the Law. You don't rest in the finished work of Jesus Christ. You don't trust that, in Christ, IT IS FINISHED. Until you stop trying to get your assurance from your own works of obedience, you will feel insecure in your relationship with God.

So accuse and fight all you want, I am done with it. You will have to shadow box.

 

[Blik]

So what you are saying is... bacon is permissible?

I have found in this discussion, people find it hard to isolate themselves from the Law because of the moral law aspect of it. Sin is sin, period. Is how people see it. So when people start suggesting we aren’t under the Law, they feel that we are attacking eternal truths or absolute/objective morality.

The question to ask is, where does our righteousness come from? The Law or the Spirit?

We agree on scripture, what the cr

When someone misquotes you, you get your knickers in a twist. Yet you are quite liberal in your misquotations of others. That is hypocrisy.

What you call "fighting accusing words", I call being done with going around in circles, and instead, getting straight to the crux of the matter.

It is evident from your many threads on the subject that you do not understand the Christian's relationship to the Mosaic law, and instead continually try to convince others that we are to obey the Law. You don't rest in the finished work of Jesus Christ. You don't trust that, in Christ, IT IS FINISHED. Until you stop trying to get your assurance from your own works of obedience, you will feel insecure in your relationship with God.

We agree on scripture and still you accuse and fight. The crux of the matter is whether you have the right to do that.

 

[Blik]

When someone misquotes you, you get your knickers in a twist. Yet you are quite liberal in your misquotations of others. That is hypocrisy.

What you call "fighting accusing words", I call being done with going around in circles, and instead, getting straight to the crux of the matter.

It is evident from your many threads on the subject that you do not understand the Christian's relationship to the Mosaic law, and instead continually try to convince others that we are to obey the Law. You don't rest in the finished work of Jesus Christ. You don't trust that, in Christ, IT IS FINISHED. Until you stop trying to get your assurance from your own works of obedience, you will feel insecure in your relationship with God.

We agree on scripture and still you accuse and fight. The crux of the matter is whether you have the right to do that.