Was the Garden of Eden, literally Heaven on Earth? Was the Earth already fallen except for the Garden?

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What do you imagine those gametes are made of?

I'll tell you: dust.
They aren't. Man is not dust. GOD is not dust. The body you have, which no doctor can have perfect knowledge of, which is why there are speciailists in each field, eye specialists, heart specialists, all different fields of medicine, you think that that body is dust? And you really just told me you think semen and egg is dust?

What are all these degrees for, yet you believe man was made from dust...
Even the animals was brought forth by water, and by air, and by the earth, but man was made from dust. Its unbelievable to me how anyone can think this is true.

There is a height Moses was not able to catch because he is not a Prophet. Man was not made from dust. GOD stategically placed 12 Most precious Stones in the earth (before the fall so not a fallen earth). The earth was baptised into those 12 Most Precious Stones. HE then took those 12 Most Precious Stones out and coupled the body of man with them. That is why there is a Most Precious stone per tribe and why there are 12 tribes of Israel. This is a height Moses was not able to get too. He was not able to see that there was raw materials that GOD took out of the earth. That is why the earth was affected when Father Adam body migrated to the mortal state. Thus the earth became a terrestrial planet.

And those 12 Most Precious Stones was from GOD's own substance called Ribber. Ribber is that which makes the rib. The rib is where you go to for the DNA/RNA genetic codes of Man. HE unfixed a pair of Ribber, baked them into 12 Most Precious Stones. That is why HE took the rib of Adam to couple the body for Mother Eve, to show what HE did for Adam. That is how Man was made in HIS image, and after HIS likeness. That is why there is the transfigured body that we must put on before we enter into heaven. Because that transfigured body is the prototype image of Man in his perfect state...

There is the original, the Archetype image which is GOD the Son. The body which Father Adam had is the Prototype image of that Archetype. What do you think Jesus His Pre-Eminence was preaching to the Apostles when HE transfigured in meeting two dignitaries of the kingdom, the Law and the Prophet, one of whom has not died, and the other who did die but was taken up by Arch Angel Michael?

This is called an Adumbration, which was written about in the bible:

9The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

This was revealing the divine Principles, in how GOD designed HIS Logos. HIS Logos is the unalterable blueprint of the plan of salvation: Perfect from start to finish; That everything must replay. It is called similitudes and Adumbrations. That for instance, Noah coupled an ARK that saved Mankind from an extinction case. That adumbrated the end of the world that is yet to come. For Jesus His Pre-Eminence said; As it were in the days of noah, so also shall the coming of the Son of Man be.

You read that Jesus His Pre-Eminence was called the second Adam. But could did not see that everything HE said and did was in the shoes, or similitudes of Adam. Its not just that when Adam died, then we also died. It is in every detail. That is why it was Judas that betrayed HIM with a kiss in the Garden, pointing to what Mother Eve did to Adam in a garden! That is why it was two criminals crucified with HIM, one one the right said: Remember me in paradise (pointing to Mother Eve), the one of the left said: If You are the Son of GOD, save yourself and us- pointing to the serpent.

The stories written of in the bible, are not just stories. They are a replay of things that have happened before, whether it happened in this earth, or in heaven; they are Revelations, divine Revelations about the kingdom. Job was in the similitude of Adam, and the fall of Man. Samson was in similitude of Adam. Noah was in the similitude of Adam. Jonah is in the similitudes of the three Elijah.

A similitude is where a person steps into the shoes of another, to reveal things about that persons life. When GOD is sending Revelations by HIS mouthpiece, HIS Prophets, and the people are not getting the message, it will be revealed in the life of someone, a dignitary, so that they can see it and understand it for real.

An adumbration is a supernatural copy and paste of an event, that will replay for a more important event in the future. This is how GOD designed HIS plan of salvation.
 

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So you think Man in GOD's Image had the sin nature? How can Man be with GOD if he has the sin nature?
You're quick to make assumptions. Re-read my previous post... carefully, this time.
 

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There is a height Moses was not able to catch because he is not a Prophet.
Scripture says otherwise. Moses prophesied many times.

Man was not made from dust.
Scripture says otherwise. God made Adam from the dust of the earth.

GOD stategically placed 12 Most precious Stones in the earth (before the fall so not a fallen earth). The earth was baptised into those 12 Most Precious Stones. HE then took those 12 Most Precious Stones out and coupled the body of man with them. That is why there is a Most Precious stone per tribe and why there are 12 tribes of Israel. This is a height Moses was not able to get too. He was not able to see that there was raw materials that GOD took out of the earth. That is why the earth was affected when Father Adam body migrated to the mortal state. Thus the earth became a terrestrial planet.
How about we discuss what's in the Bible, instead of the fantasy world in your head.
 
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Scripture says otherwise. Moses prophesied many times.


Scripture says otherwise. God made Adam from the dust of the earth.


How about we discuss what's in the Bible, instead of the fantasy world in your head.
Moses is the Law. The Law is not the Prophet.

Yes, because you read the Bible like any book. You can go on believing as you do. He that is unjust, let him be unjust still.
Note carefully enough. Had you read it carefully, you would not make irrelevant assumptions.
I didn't make an assumption. It's a stilly question. Man was made in the image and after the likeness of GOD. Your question suggests GOD has the nature to sin.
 

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Moses is the Law. The Law is not the Prophet.
Moses is a person. The Law is not a person.

Yes, because you read the Bible like any book. You can go on believing as you do. He that is unjust, let him be unjust still.
You know jack about me. Don't let your overinflated ego tell you otherwise.

I didn't make an assumption. It's a stilly question. Man was made in the image and after the likeness of GOD. Your question suggests GOD has the nature to sin.
My question addressed the presence or absence of any statement regarding the sin nature in Adam prior to his sin. There is no such statement. End of issue. You can go on with your unwarranted assumptions, but they are as silly as your assertions about Moses.
 
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Moses is a person. The Law is not a person.


You know jack about me. Don't let your overinflated ego tell you otherwise.


My question addressed the presence or absence of any statement regarding the sin nature in Adam prior to his sin. There is no such statement. End of issue. You can go on with your unwarranted assumptions, but they are as silly as your assertions about Moses.
I know enough.

You are literal to the core. If Man had sin nature he could not be with GOD. That flies in the face of the essence of your own belief system. Truly, this Gospel is separating the wheats from the tares.

Moses is the Law. And the proof he is not a Prophet is that GOD spoke to him audibly, not inaudibly as he does with the Prophets
 

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Man is not dust. GOD is not dust.

man isn't God, but God became man, not every man, but the man Jesus of Nazareth.

what is dust is born of dust; what is spirit is born of spirit. i am not saying that soul is made of dust, but man has body, spirit and soul/mind/heart. physical human gametes are dust, begetting dust.
 
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man isn't God, but God became man, not every man, but the man Jesus of Nazareth.
what is dust is born of dust; what is spirit is born of spirit. i am not saying that soul is made of dust, but man has body, spirit and soul/mind/heart. physical human gametes are dust, begetting dust.
The image of GOD is speaking of very physical body that they had coupled for them.. Just like when you see an outline of a bird you know its a bird, the same with any animal it has its image. Man is the image of GOD. And that image; that transfigured body is not dust. The mortal body is not dust either.
 

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I know enough.

You are literal to the core. If Man had sin nature he could not be with GOD. That flies in the face of the essence of your own belief system. Truly, this Gospel is separating the wheats from the tares.
Your assumptions about me are irrelevant, so keep them to yourself. As to being literal, I take that as a compliment.

Did Moses exist before the giving of the Law? Yes. Your assertion is ridiculous.

And the proof he is not a Prophet is that GOD spoke to him audibly, not inaudibly as he does with the Prophets
That's no proof at all. It's not even biblical.
 
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Your assumptions about me are irrelevant, so keep them to yourself.


Did Moses exist before the giving of the Law? Yes. Your assertion is ridiculous.


That's no proof at all. It's not even biblical.
Its not biblical.... So GOD didn't speak to Moses audibly? You are exposing your hominid status with every reply.
 

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The body you have, which no doctor can have perfect knowledge of, which is why there are speciailists in each field, eye specialists, heart specialists, all different fields of medicine, you think that that body is dust? And you really just told me you think semen and egg is dust?
dust is a lot cooler than you give credit

i studied pottery; God makes really great dust
 

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Its not biblical.... So GOD didn't speak to Moses audibly? You are exposing your hominid status with every reply.
Once again, you don't read carefully enough, and you make too many assumptions.
 
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Your assumptions about me are irrelevant, so keep them to yourself. As to being literal, I take that as a compliment.


Did Moses exist before the giving of the Law? Yes. Your assertion is ridiculous.


That's no proof at all. It's not even biblical.
I did not come to abolish the law and the Prophets, but to fulfil. Whatsoever ye would that men do to you, do so even unto them. For that is the law and the Prophets. Moses brought the Law, He is not a Prophet. The one Moses spoke of that will come after him, that is the Prophet.
 

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I did not come to abolish the law and the Prophets, but to fulfil. Whatsoever ye would that men do to you, do so even unto them. For that is the law and the Prophets. Moses brought the Law, He is not a Prophet. The one Moses spoke of that will come after him, that is the Prophet.
Your statements are self-refuting.

One who speaks (the true words of God) about the future, is by definition a prophet.
 
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Your statements are self-refuting.

One who speaks (the true words of God) about the future, is by definition a prophet.
No. A Prophet is he who has the Spirit of Prophecy. A Prophet is he that hears from GOD inaudibly. A Prophet is born not made. GOD spoke to moses audibly. GOD did not speak to moses inaudibly. And no where is Moses called a Prophet. Aaron was called "thy prophet".. Its obvious you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
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dust is a lot cooler than you give credit

i studied pottery; God makes really great dust
By the time you get to Abrahams Bosom, you will realise that Man is not dust, but that Man is a Spirit Being. And that Spirit Being has anatomy. And you will wonder, how did I ever believe that Man is dust.
 
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Joel 2:28 "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:"

Could it be argued that the whole reason God made a Son was to deal with us corrupt humans?