As in the days of Noah... ALL flesh had CORRUPTED itself

[SophieT]

Deceased Chuck Missler "Was" a prominent promoter of this false teaching, that isn't found in the scripture.

Again, this is not about Chuck. Stop using him as your fall guy for misinterpreting scripture.

I guess some folks just cannot accept what they do not perceive as fitting their personal interpretations.

and I'll ignore you too!

 

[SophieT]

Fallens Angel's Are Devils/Demons prove otherwise with scripture, you cant

Do your homework. There is ONE devil, satan, and many demons.

Seems you are ok with reading bad interpretations as long as you already have that stuck in your repertoire of hasty retorts

You are defending something that is actually silly to defend but you know, it seems you are already stuffed with as much as you care to know

and yes, ignore

 

[SophieT]

Yeah. They were not getting the attention they sought in the Book of Enoch thread.

They don’t add anything substantive, just declarative statements, with no Biblical support.

So for the most part I don’t engage, and have several of them on ignore.

The debate about who the sons of God are in Genesis 6 is over. This thread is designed for those that want to discuss different aspects of The fallen angels and their progeny, the Nephilim.

And yes, before it’s said, I fully understand anyone can say anything on any thread. No one but the mods have power to prevent that.

That’s why ignore is best.

You have aptly described the tactics of the cancel anyone who does not think exactly like them that patrol some threads here.

They try to be like those who silence others in the world by bullying, intimidation, nastiness, name calling and mocking. If they do not believe something because they are stuck on the hamster wheel of what they think they know, they gang up on a person as can be seen in this thread.

The behavior is anything but Christian; you cannot have a discussion because they wish to silence you and try to do so using the above tactics.

My ignore list is growing, sadly, but I do not have the desire nor the time, to argue with people who basically think you or I or many others who believe the Sons of God were actually angels, are stupid or possibly not even saved.

The BDF seems to get consistently worse as people who do not care to engage that type of person leave the forum or just don't bother with the BDF. There is no courtesy with regards to the op. They have no problem taking over threads and prefer to do so, it seems, rather than start another op.

The smug condescending attitude is telling but when you think you have some sort of superior understanding, it seems to breed pride and false superiority.

 

[SophieT]

Truth7t7 said:

Fallens Angel's Are Devils/Demons prove otherwise with scripture, you cant

Following is the actual and biblical explanation regarding the difference between the devil (singular as in satan) and demons (plural of which many exist) I do not entertain the thought that those who prefer to be right at the expense of actually being quite wrong, will for one minute acknowledge their error.

Is there a difference between demons and devils? Unfortunately some English translations in the past have translated the Greek word for "demons" as "devils." This has led to much confusion. There are many demons, but there is only one Devil.

The word translated Devil is the Greek diabolos, which means "slanderer." It is always used in the singular when referring to the Devil. The adjectival form of the word diabolos is used three times in the New Testament and is translated "slanderer" or "false accuser."

Demons

The word translated "demon" comes from the Greek word daimon, or the diminutive form daimonion, The root meaning of the Greek word daimon is "knowing" or "intelligence." This may have the idea that their intelligence is above humans.

Never Interchangeable

It is important to note that daimon and daimonion are used in the New Testament in both the singular and the plural (demon and demons), but they are never used interchangeably with diabolos (Devil). There is only one Devil.
source

 

[iamsoandso]

The "sons of God" were simply descendants of Seth who were surrendered to God's authority and the "daughters of men" were simply descendants of Cain in rebellion to it.

The rebellion of Cain's posterity had nothing to do with genetics - it was passed down the same way it always has been: through the corrupting influence of each rebellious generation that preceded the next.

When the loyal "sons of God" descendants of Seth decided the sexy miniskirts and excessive makeup of Cain's sinful descendants was more alluring than the plain quiet adornment of God's spirit worn by the descendants of Seth, the importance of being properly yoked in marriage took a back seat to the desires of the flesh - which led to the entire lineage of Seth becoming corrupted save Noah and company.

The idea that God destroyed the Earth with a Flood because there were demon-spawned giant human/reptilians running around is just asinine --- He destroyed it because if He had done nothing, eventually the descendants of Noah would have become corrupted and the holy lineage through which the Messiah was to come would have disappeared, plain and simple.

lol, yea I was wondering if you see genetic mutations in Scripture being passed down through Cains children making them born evil, that would make them innocent if it was true and would have been passed down from Adan and Eve to Cain. Then though in your post you first say that Seth's children are loyal to God and they surrendered to Gods authority but then you describe them as disloyal, filled with lust and. that the entire linage became corrupt(completely opposite). In the lineage in Scripture from Adam to Noah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamech_(father_of_Noah) it doesn't describe them in this manner it says Noah was blameless/perfect in his generation's and was a righteous man https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/6-9.htm So none of this seems to be very well thought out from a Scriptural point of view and is actually worse.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Don't be shocked. They are thinking that this is going to happen again.

If they interpret Jesus as saying "as in the Days of Noah, they were marrying... before the flood came upon them" is a reference to Gen 6:2 then they must concede that Jesus interpreted sons of God as men. UNLESS.. Jesus is saying that Angles will mate with women again before the Son of God comes. This is how some are interpreting it. They have to. Their theory got destroyed by Jesus interpreting sons of God as men. They were left with the choice of abandoning the fable and saying that Jesus cleared that up, or saying Jesus must mean angels and women will marry and have giant babies right before the Lord comes again. And this exposes that something ain't right in the heart. A willingness to twist the words of Christ like. Where is the fear of God?

“Adam, the son of God” is irrefutable proof that the OT phrase “sons of God” can refer to men, as well..so rather than accept the preponderance of evidence which supports human/human relations in Genesis 6, they prefer this bizarre idea of demons/women relations?

 

[Phoneman-777]

lol, yea I was wondering if you see genetic mutations in Scripture being passed down through Cains children making them born evil, that would make them innocent if it was true and would have been passed down from Adan and Eve to Cain. Then though in your post you first say that Seth's children are loyal to God and they surrendered to Gods authority but then you describe them as disloyal, filled with lust and. that the entire linage became corrupt(completely opposite). In the lineage in Scripture from Adam to Noah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamech_(father_of_Noah) it doesn't describe them in this manner it says Noah was blameless/perfect in his generation's and was a righteous man https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/6-9.htm So none of this seems to be very well thought out from a Scriptural point of view and is actually worse.

What’s so unbelievable about the idea of loyal men of God backsliding? Even God acknowledges this and we ourselves see it happen all the time, right?

Over time, the loyal Antediluvian men of God took for themselves wives who were Jezebels and Delilahs and these drew the hearts of their husbands away from God as Solomon’s wives did until the entire human family was in rebellion to Him except for Noah and company.

That’s what Scripture teaches, not the screwy bizarre sensationalist science fiction of demon/women sex.

 

[iamsoandso]

What’s so unbelievable about the idea of loyal men of God backsliding? Even God acknowledges this and we ourselves see it happen all the time, right?

Over time, the loyal Antediluvian men of God took for themselves wives who were Jezebels and Delilahs and these drew the hearts of their husbands away from God as Solomon’s wives did until the entire human family was in rebellion to Him except for Noah and company.

That’s what Scripture teaches, not the screwy bizarre sensationalist science fiction of demon/women sex.

Well what makes it so unbelievable to me,(I cant speak for everyone) is that in Scripture it says not to bare false witness against people and so I think it would be incorrect to say that they did those things unless Scripture says they did. If you think about it it doesn't say that those from Adam to Noah became evil,sinful ect. but instead it tells you Enoch and Noah were good men right? In the case of Cains family it says even less and so unless you think they inherited a gene from Cain that made them sin,evil then his decedents might have been very good,Godly people for all we know. It all seems to be made up that some of Cains daughters ever even married because without Scripture saying they did then they could have married in their own tribe/tribes or never at all they may have died young for all we know.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Well what makes it so unbelievable to me,(I cant speak for everyone) is that in Scripture it says not to bare false witness against people and so I think it would be incorrect to say that they did those things unless Scripture says they did. If you think about it it doesn't say that those from Adam to Noah became evil,sinful ect. but instead it tells you Enoch and Noah were good men right? In the case of Cains family it says even less and so unless you think they inherited a gene from Cain that made them sin,evil then his decedents might have been very good,Godly people for all we know. It all seems to be made up that some of Cains daughters ever even married because without Scripture saying they did then they could have married in their own tribe/tribes or never at all they may have died young for all we know.

Problem: We can't say definitively who were the "sons of God" that took the "daughters of men" and had sex with them because the Bible refers to both men and angels as such.

The evidence shows that the Bible many times acknowledges men and women are capable of sex.
The evidence also shows the Bible never acknowledges "angel/woman sex". Genesis 6 says "sons" - not "angels".
The Bible also says, "in the mouth of two or three witnesses let a thing be established".

To insist these "sons of God" were angels is not only a disregard of the weight of the evidence, but is a violation of the principles of Scripture itself because we can't substantiate an entire doctrine on one unclear passage or verse.

 

[iamsoandso]

Problem: We can't say definitively who were the "sons of God" that took the "daughters of men" and had sex with them because the Bible refers to both men and angels as such.

The evidence shows that the Bible many times acknowledges men and women are capable of sex.
The evidence also shows the Bible never acknowledges "angel/woman sex". Genesis 6 says "sons" - not "angels".
The Bible also says, "in the mouth of two or three witnesses let a thing be established".

To insist these "sons of God" were angels is not only a disregard of the weight of the evidence, but is a violation of the principles of Scripture itself because we can't substantiate an entire doctrine on one unclear passage or verse.

Or else if we see the book of Jude as inspired then in verse 6 where he is speaking of angels he then states in verse 7, immediately afterwards that just as (hos,5613) and again in like manner, homoion tropon #3664 and 5158 that just as the angels in verse 6,,,in like manner Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities went after strange flesh and sexual immoralities. https://biblehub.com/interlinear/jude/1.htm

 

[Scribe]

Well what makes it so unbelievable to me,(I cant speak for everyone) is that in Scripture it says not to bare false witness against people and so I think it would be incorrect to say that they did those things unless Scripture says they did. If you think about it it doesn't say that those from Adam to Noah became evil,sinful ect. but instead it tells you Enoch and Noah were good men right? In the case of Cains family it says even less and so unless you think they inherited a gene from Cain that made them sin,evil then his decedents might have been very good,Godly people for all we know. It all seems to be made up that some of Cains daughters ever even married because without Scripture saying they did then they could have married in their own tribe/tribes or never at all they may have died young for all we know.

Cain was thrust out from the presence of the Lord... and went and built a city on the East of Eden. This suggests that where Adam and his family was was still the presence of the Lord. Their community. West of Eden.

Then you have the reference to the names of the daughters of Cain pointed out specifically as meaning fair. pleasant (Naamah)
Then you have Seth genealogy and the statement Then began men to call upon the name of the Lord but not just any men but specifically associated with the clan of Seth/Enosh.

Then you have the prophecy of Enoch in Jude were he mentions ungodly people speaking harsh words against him. I think he is referring to Cain's camp. Not the sons of God of which he was a part. He walked with God probably because he heard from Adam what that was like and he diligently sought God (Heb 11) and his faith that he could walk with God please God and God granted him his request and took Him. (That will PREACH) and so to not see a clear division between Adam/Seth's camp and Cain's Camp as those who were religiously seeking after God in the presence of God (religion) and those in Cain's camp, thrust out from the 4-presence of the Lord and raised his children to speak harsh words against the Lord (maybe even the coming of the Lord to judge (Jude))

This is not wild speculation but the most natural conclusions from the text and of course the rest of the Bible's teaching theologically the truth about the negative consequences of those called to godliness backsliding by marrying idolatrous women or compromising with the world (NT). This theology is foundational revelation in scripture. Holiness is required. Separation from the world and ungodly associations is the way of life to the Godly and those who do not teach that in their churches have a building full of compromisers pretending to be saved but full of darkness.

The things recorded in Gen 4-5 are not mere history. They are theology. That which God wanted to point out for theological purposes to apply to our lives. It is not simply a history book. Many other historical things have been left out because they are irrelevant to the theology God wants us to take from what is recorded.

The light should have turned on for many of these people who argue for angels giant babies a long time ago. The fact that they reject the clear theology for the sience fiction fables is an indication of a heart issue. There is just enough vagueness in Gen 4-6 to make it go over their heads but just enough concise clarity to be without excuse at the same time.

God separated Darkness from Light. Hint hint. God also separate those that were hell bent on casting off restraint from those who called upon the name of the Lord. Darkness, Light. Hint Hint.

The theological undergirding truth is so very easy to see. Especially if you know the rest of the bible.

It is very important to get this right. It is still one of the most important truths of your daily life. Not angels mating with women and making giant angel babies. But you separating from the world, from ungodly living and looking for the coming Judge who will once again destroy the earth not for mating with angels but for their rejection of Him and their harsh words spoken against him.

Be not deceived those that practice ungodly living such as fornication with the women they meet in bars will not inherit the kingdom of God. Those that get drunk because they like how it feels will not be saved. Repent of wickedness and life in holiness and the fear of God as a born again believer in Jesus Christ you must flee from youthful lusts and live holy and soberly delivered from the corruption that is in the world through lusts. as you wait for the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

You have no worries about Nephilim you have to concern yourself with not compromising with the sons and daughters of men. You are a son and daughter of God and are looking for the Lord to come with ten thousands of His saints to execute judgment upon all the ungodly for all their ungodly deeds and all their harsh words they have spoken against Him.

Come Lord Jesus.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Or else if we see the book of Jude as inspired then in verse 6 where he is speaking of angels he then states in verse 7, immediately afterwards that just as (hos,5613) and again in like manner, homoion tropon #3664 and 5158 that just as the angels in verse 6,,,in like manner Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities went after strange flesh and sexual immoralities. https://biblehub.com/interlinear/jude/1.htm

Why it's safe to reject the idea that Jude is evidence for "demon/women sex" in Genesis 6:

1. Jude highlights a list of different sins, not just sexual sin.
2. Demanding that the context of verse 6 must be verse 7 is purely subjective: why not verse 5 or 4?
3. Jude's mention of "Sodom and Gomorrah" refers to homo sex - not hetero sex - which is irrelevant to Genesis 6.
4. The only connection between verse 6 and 7 that can be safely drawn has to do with the future fiery destruction
awaiting fallen angels (verse 6) that is exemplified by the past fiery destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah (verse 7).

Again, if you're going to rigidly tie the homosexual immorality of Sodom and Gomorrah in Jude 7 to the fallen angels of Jude 6, then to remain consistent you'll have to say the sex that took place between angels and women in Genesis 6 was homosexual sex, as well...which the only giant offspring possible would have been helium balloons in Antediluvian gay pride parades

 

[Scribe]

It is not that the sons of God were all perfect like Noah or Enoch. It is that they had religion. They called upon the name of the Lord when Cains camp did not. That they called upon the name of the Lord was said about Seth/Enosh clan not Cain's.
You can see that as they married off into Cains camp they left Noah's camp until only he and his family were left from those who once called upon the name of the Lord. They obviously compromised from their religious faith and gave it up as they married into the ungodly civilization that did not call upon the name of the Lord. How is that confusing. You tried to make it confusing but you really can't. It's so concise of an account it is confusing to those who want more details but hard to mess up because of it's sparseness. I understood it the first time I read it. Years later I heard the angel theory and laughed. Now I almost cry because I know they are not joking. So sad to miss the theology that is so critical to the rest of the bible and to our individual Christian lives.

Try to notice all the hints that are there in the context even from the beginning chapter when God separated Light from Darkness.

Cain was thrust out from the presence of the Lord... and went and built a city on the East of Eden. This suggests that where Adam and his family was was still the presence of the Lord. Their community. West of Eden. That it could be considered the presence of the Lord because of a religious community.

Then you have the reference to the names of the daughters of Cain pointed out specifically as meaning fair. pleasant (Naamah)
Then you have Seth genealogy and the statement "Then began men to call upon the name of the Lord" but not just any men but specifically associated with the clan of Seth/Enosh. Not Cain's clan.

Then you have the prophecy of Enoch in Jude were he mentions ungodly people speaking harsh words against him. I think he is referring to Cain's camp. Not the sons of God of which he was a part. He walked with God probably because he heard from Adam what that was like to walk with God in the garden, and he diligently sought God (Heb 11) in faith that he could walk with God believing that God is and that he would reward him and this pleased God and God (granted him his request) and took Him. (That will PREACH)

And so can see a clear division between Adam/Seth's camp and Cain's Camp as those who were religiously seeking after God in the presence of God (religion) and those in Cain's camp, thrust out from the before the presence of the Lord and raised his children to speak harsh words against the Lord (maybe even speaking against the coming of the Lord to judge (Jude))

This is not wild speculation but the most natural conclusions from the text and of course the rest of the Bible's teaching theologically the truth about the negative consequences of those called to godliness backsliding by marrying idolatrous women or compromising with the world (NT). This theology is foundational revelation in scripture. Holiness is required. Separation from the world and ungodly associations is the way of life to the Godly and those who do not teach that in their churches have a building full of compromisers pretending to be saved but full of darkness.

The things recorded in Gen 4-5 are not mere history. They are theology. That which God wanted to point out for theological purposes to apply to our lives. It is not simply a history book. Many other historical things have been left out because they are irrelevant to the theology God wants us to take from what is recorded.

The light should have turned on for many of these people who argue for angels giant babies a long time ago. The fact that they reject the clear theology for the science fiction fables is an indication of a heart issue. Maybe the excitement of fantasy story. A fleshly interest in the entertaining story.

There theology is just there in just enough vagueness in Gen 4-6 to make it go over their heads but just enough concise clarity to be without excuse for not getting it at the same time.

The theology starts in Gen 1. God separated Darkness from Light. Hint hint. By Gen 4 we see a separating between those that were hell bent on casting off restraint from those who called upon the name of the Lord. Darkness, Light. Hint Hint.

The theological undergirding truth is so very easy to see. Especially if you know the rest of the bible.

It is very important to get this right. It is still one of the most important truths of your daily life. Not angels mating with women and making giant angel babies. But you separating from the world, from ungodly living and looking for the coming Judge who will once again destroy the earth not for mating with angels but for their rejection of Him and their harsh words spoken against him.

Be not deceived those that practice ungodly living such as fornication with the women they meet in bars will not inherit the kingdom of God. Those that get drunk because they like how it feels will not be saved. Repent of wickedness and life in holiness and the fear of God as a born again believer in Jesus Christ you must flee from youthful lusts and live holy and soberly delivered from the corruption that is in the world through lusts. as you wait for the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

You have no worries about Nephilim you have to concern yourself with not compromising with the sons and daughters of men. You are a son and daughter of God and are looking for the Lord to come with ten thousands of His saints to execute judgment upon all the ungodly for all their ungodly deeds and all their harsh words they have spoken against Him.

Come Lord Jesus.

 

[Scribe]

Why it's safe to reject the idea that Jude is evidence for "demon/women sex" in Genesis 6:

1. Jude highlights a list of different sins, not just sexual sin.
2. Demanding that the context of verse 6 must be verse 7 is purely subjective: why not verse 5 or 4?
3. Jude's mention of "Sodom and Gomorrah" refers to homo sex - not hetero sex - which is irrelevant to Genesis 6.
4. The only connection between verse 6 and 7 that can be safely drawn has to do with the future fiery destruction
awaiting fallen angels (verse 6) that is exemplified by the past fiery destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah (verse 7).

Again, if you're going to rigidly tie the homosexual immorality of Sodom and Gomorrah in Jude 7 to the fallen angels of Jude 6, then to remain consistent you'll have to say the sex that took place between angels and women was homosexual sex, as well...which the only giant offspring possible would have been helium balloons in Antediluvian gay pride parades

Yes this was about coming judgment being a sure thing. Because here are three examples. Don't think things have always been the same and there has never been judgment, because there has. It had nothing to do with angels mating with women.
The angels that left their first estate are those that fell with satan. They are in chains of darkness. They are what we wrestle with.
Principlaties and powers in wicked places of darkness. They cannot just come into our space without possessing people. They can't kill you with their power. They are in chains of darkness like satan. They have limitations.

 

[Phoneman-777]

It is not that the sons of God were all perfect like Noah or Enoch. It is that they had religion. They called upon the name of the Lord when Cains camp did not. That they called upon the name of the Lord was said about Seth/Enosh clan not Cain's.
You can see that as they married off into Cains camp they left Noah's camp until only he and his family were left from those who once called upon the name of the Lord. They obviously compromised from their religious faith and gave it up as they married into the ungodly civilization that did not call upon the name of the Lord. How is that confusing. You tried to make it confusing but you really can't. It's so concise of an account it is confusing to those who want more details but hard to mess up because of it's sparseness. I understood it the first time I read it. Years later I heard the angel theory and laughed. Now I almost cry because I know they are not joking. So sad to miss the theology that is so critical to the rest of the bible and to our individual Christian lives.

Try to notice all the hints that are there in the context even from the beginning chapter when God separated Light from Darkness.

Cain was thrust out from the presence of the Lord... and went and built a city on the East of Eden. This suggests that where Adam and his family was was still the presence of the Lord. Their community. West of Eden. That it could be considered the presence of the Lord because of a religious community.

Then you have the reference to the names of the daughters of Cain pointed out specifically as meaning fair. pleasant (Naamah)
Then you have Seth genealogy and the statement "Then began men to call upon the name of the Lord" but not just any men but specifically associated with the clan of Seth/Enosh. Not Cain's clan.

Then you have the prophecy of Enoch in Jude were he mentions ungodly people speaking harsh words against him. I think he is referring to Cain's camp. Not the sons of God of which he was a part. He walked with God probably because he heard from Adam what that was like to walk with God in the garden, and he diligently sought God (Heb 11) in faith that he could walk with God believing that God is and that he would reward him and this pleased God and God (granted him his request) and took Him. (That will PREACH)

And so can see a clear division between Adam/Seth's camp and Cain's Camp as those who were religiously seeking after God in the presence of God (religion) and those in Cain's camp, thrust out from the before the presence of the Lord and raised his children to speak harsh words against the Lord (maybe even speaking against the coming of the Lord to judge (Jude))

This is not wild speculation but the most natural conclusions from the text and of course the rest of the Bible's teaching theologically the truth about the negative consequences of those called to godliness backsliding by marrying idolatrous women or compromising with the world (NT). This theology is foundational revelation in scripture. Holiness is required. Separation from the world and ungodly associations is the way of life to the Godly and those who do not teach that in their churches have a building full of compromisers pretending to be saved but full of darkness.

The things recorded in Gen 4-5 are not mere history. They are theology. That which God wanted to point out for theological purposes to apply to our lives. It is not simply a history book. Many other historical things have been left out because they are irrelevant to the theology God wants us to take from what is recorded.

The light should have turned on for many of these people who argue for angels giant babies a long time ago. The fact that they reject the clear theology for the science fiction fables is an indication of a heart issue. Maybe the excitement of fantasy story. A fleshly interest in the entertaining story.

There theology is just there in just enough vagueness in Gen 4-6 to make it go over their heads but just enough concise clarity to be without excuse for not getting it at the same time.

The theology starts in Gen 1. God separated Darkness from Light. Hint hint. By Gen 4 we see a separating between those that were hell bent on casting off restraint from those who called upon the name of the Lord. Darkness, Light. Hint Hint.

The theological undergirding truth is so very easy to see. Especially if you know the rest of the bible.

It is very important to get this right. It is still one of the most important truths of your daily life. Not angels mating with women and making giant angel babies. But you separating from the world, from ungodly living and looking for the coming Judge who will once again destroy the earth not for mating with angels but for their rejection of Him and their harsh words spoken against him.

Be not deceived those that practice ungodly living such as fornication with the women they meet in bars will not inherit the kingdom of God. Those that get drunk because they like how it feels will not be saved. Repent of wickedness and life in holiness and the fear of God as a born again believer in Jesus Christ you must flee from youthful lusts and live holy and soberly delivered from the corruption that is in the world through lusts. as you wait for the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

You have no worries about Nephilim you have to concern yourself with not compromising with the sons and daughters of men. You are a son and daughter of God and are looking for the Lord to come with ten thousands of His saints to execute judgment upon all the ungodly for all their ungodly deeds and all their harsh words they have spoken against Him.

Come Lord Jesus.

Amen, bro! I mentioned the Chiasm of the beginning chapters of Genesis but you took the time to expound on it for me (I've been a bit lazy lately), so thanks, man!

Curiously, the word for the "flaming sword" that took up residence at the Eden gate is "shekinah"...is it possible that God was so heartbroken for having to drive out Adam and Eve that He manifested His presence there to be near them?

 

[Phoneman-777]

Yes this was about coming judgment being a sure thing. Because here are three examples. Don't think things have always been the same and there has never been judgment, because there has. It had nothing to do with angels mating with women.
The angels that left their first estate are those that fell with satan. They are in chains of darkness. They are what we wrestle with.
Principlaties and powers in wicked places of darkness. They cannot just come into our space without possessing people. They can't kill you with their power. They are in chains of darkness like satan. They have limitations.

Amen, bro. The "chains" with which they are bound have to do with limiting circumstances. Literal chains can't bind demons and if they are "imprisoned in chains" as it is claimed, how come they are still running around loose trying to make us miserable and destroy our souls? The chains are like leashes of which God is controlling how much slack is let out or pulled in.

 

[iamsoandso]

Cain was thrust out from the presence of the Lord... and went and built a city on the East of Eden. This suggests that where Adam and his family was was still the presence of the Lord. Their community. West of Eden.

Then you have the reference to the names of the daughters of Cain pointed out specifically as meaning fair. pleasant (Naamah)
Then you have Seth genealogy and the statement Then began men to call upon the name of the Lord but not just any men but specifically associated with the clan of Seth/Enosh.

Then you have the prophecy of Enoch in Jude were he mentions ungodly people speaking harsh words against him. I think he is referring to Cain's camp. Not the sons of God of which he was a part. He walked with God probably because he heard from Adam what that was like and he diligently sought God (Heb 11) and his faith that he could walk with God please God and God granted him his request and took Him. (That will PREACH) and so to not see a clear division between Adam/Seth's camp and Cain's Camp as those who were religiously seeking after God in the presence of God (religion) and those in Cain's camp, thrust out from the 4-presence of the Lord and raised his children to speak harsh words against the Lord (maybe even the coming of the Lord to judge (Jude))

This is not wild speculation but the most natural conclusions from the text and of course the rest of the Bible's teaching theologically the truth about the negative consequences of those called to godliness backsliding by marrying idolatrous women or compromising with the world (NT). This theology is foundational revelation in scripture. Holiness is required. Separation from the world and ungodly associations is the way of life to the Godly and those who do not teach that in their churches have a building full of compromisers pretending to be saved but full of darkness.

The things recorded in Gen 4-5 are not mere history. They are theology. That which God wanted to point out for theological purposes to apply to our lives. It is not simply a history book. Many other historical things have been left out because they are irrelevant to the theology God wants us to take from what is recorded.

The light should have turned on for many of these people who argue for angels giant babies a long time ago. The fact that they reject the clear theology for the sience fiction fables is an indication of a heart issue. There is just enough vagueness in Gen 4-6 to make it go over their heads but just enough concise clarity to be without excuse at the same time.

God separated Darkness from Light. Hint hint. God also separate those that were hell bent on casting off restraint from those who called upon the name of the Lord. Darkness, Light. Hint Hint.

The theological undergirding truth is so very easy to see. Especially if you know the rest of the bible.

It is very important to get this right. It is still one of the most important truths of your daily life. Not angels mating with women and making giant angel babies. But you separating from the world, from ungodly living and looking for the coming Judge who will once again destroy the earth not for mating with angels but for their rejection of Him and their harsh words spoken against him.

Be not deceived those that practice ungodly living such as fornication with the women they meet in bars will not inherit the kingdom of God. Those that get drunk because they like how it feels will not be saved. Repent of wickedness and life in holiness and the fear of God as a born again believer in Jesus Christ you must flee from youthful lusts and live holy and soberly delivered from the corruption that is in the world through lusts. as you wait for the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

You have no worries about Nephilim you have to concern yourself with not compromising with the sons and daughters of men. You are a son and daughter of God and are looking for the Lord to come with ten thousands of His saints to execute judgment upon all the ungodly for all their ungodly deeds and all their harsh words they have spoken against Him.

Come Lord Jesus.

well you keep saying this over and over about Naamah but she's only mentioned once in Scripture and it doesn't say she was married died young, married someone in her own tribe or what. It don't say she was evil or good or nothing other than this so I myself wont say she was when no one actually knows.

 

[Scribe]

Following is the actual and biblical explanation regarding the difference between the devil (singular as in satan) and demons (plural of which many exist) I do not entertain the thought that those who prefer to be right at the expense of actually being quite wrong, will for one minute acknowledge their error.

Is there a difference between demons and devils? Unfortunately some English translations in the past have translated the Greek word for "demons" as "devils." This has led to much confusion. There are many demons, but there is only one Devil.

The word translated Devil is the Greek diabolos, which means "slanderer." It is always used in the singular when referring to the Devil. The adjectival form of the word diabolos is used three times in the New Testament and is translated "slanderer" or "false accuser."

Demons

The word translated "demon" comes from the Greek word daimon, or the diminutive form daimonion, The root meaning of the Greek word daimon is "knowing" or "intelligence." This may have the idea that their intelligence is above humans.

Never Interchangeable

It is important to note that daimon and daimonion are used in the New Testament in both the singular and the plural (demon and demons), but they are never used interchangeably with diabolos (Devil). There is only one Devil.
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The KJV scholars did not follow such a simple translation rule. Using devil when Daimonion was the Greek word seemed to be something appropriate for this verse. John 7:20

The people answered and said, Thou hast a devil: (Daimonion )who goeth about to kill thee?

I am not sure why they translated it a devil if it is supposed to be demon. I am not a Greek Scholar but I am guessing there is some reasoning other than just "it is always demon in English for Daimonion" since it was not translated that way in this instance by those who were some of the best Greek scholars who have ever lived.

I don't know the answer but I will stay open to learn.

 

[iamsoandso]

Why it's safe to reject the idea that Jude is evidence for "demon/women sex" in Genesis 6:

1. Jude highlights a list of different sins, not just sexual sin.
2. Demanding that the context of verse 6 must be verse 7 is purely subjective: why not verse 5 or 4?
3. Jude's mention of "Sodom and Gomorrah" refers to homo sex - not hetero sex - which is irrelevant to Genesis 6.
4. The only connection between verse 6 and 7 that can be safely drawn has to do with the future fiery destruction
awaiting fallen angels (verse 6) that is exemplified by the past fiery destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah (verse 7).

Again, if you're going to rigidly tie the homosexual immorality of Sodom and Gomorrah in Jude 7 to the fallen angels of Jude 6, then to remain consistent you'll have to say the sex that took place between angels and women in Genesis 6 was homosexual sex, as well...which the only giant offspring possible would have been helium balloons in Antediluvian gay pride parades

lol, you said "if your going to..." as if I wrote the book of Jude when he's who wrote it right?

 

[TheWaytoGo]

You have aptly described the tactics of the cancel anyone who does not think exactly like them that patrol some threads here.

They try to be like those who silence others in the world by bullying, intimidation, nastiness, name calling and mocking. If they do not believe something because they are stuck on the hamster wheel of what they think they know, they gang up on a person as can be seen in this thread.

The behavior is anything but Christian; you cannot have a discussion because they wish to silence you and try to do so using the above tactics.

My ignore list is growing, sadly, but I do not have the desire nor the time, to argue with people who basically think you or I or many others who believe the Sons of God were actually angels, are stupid or possibly not even saved.

The BDF seems to get consistently worse as people who do not care to engage that type of person leave the forum or just don't bother with the BDF. There is no courtesy with regards to the op. They have no problem taking over threads and prefer to do so, it seems, rather than start another op.

The smug condescending attitude is telling but when you think you have some sort of superior understanding, it seems to breed pride and false superiority.

I know nothing about the Sons of God controversy, so can't comment on that. But I support your battle against the cancel culture and gangs with brutish behavior that haunt Christian chat sites. A mature believer isn't threatened by any thoughts that oppose their own beliefs.