As in the days of Noah... ALL flesh had CORRUPTED itself

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PennEd

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Matthew 24: 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Why did God utterly destroy, and wipe clean the entire world He created, and everything in it, save Noah, his family, and the selected animals aboard the Ark?

To answer this question we have to closely examine Genesis 6, the fallen angels that mated with human women, their progeny the Nephilim, and the proclamation 4 There were giants (Nephilim) on the earth in those days, AND ALSO AFTERWARD,..

So why do I believe this issue is so important? Because Jesus said in the end days things would be like in the days of Noah. I contend that we are living in the end days, and are doing the same things that that led God to destroy the world.

Matthew 24: 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved;

So first I'll lay out SOME of the vast Biblical proof that fallen angels DID mate with human women producing the Nephillim, hybrid race, the ALSO AFTERWARD, and the CORRUPTED flesh.
Then talk about how we are committing the same sin that they did.

But I will NOT be doing much, if any, debating with those that either can't, or won't accept the plain Biblical truth about fallen angels. That is not speculative. I will be doing some speculation, but that fact is not. If there are honest, skeptical questions fine. But otherwise I'd recommend just scrolling on by.
 

PennEd

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Much of this will be repetitive to what others have said. But I want outlay the whole picture. Sometimes in broad strokes, sometimes in detail. Please feel free to post more Biblical proof, that perhaps hasn't been reported yet.

Genesis 6 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Wickedness and Judgment of Man
6 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

So defining who the "sons of God" are is really the whole ballgame, and ends any opposition to the fallen angels fact.

That the text makes a CONTRAST between the sons of God, and humans is evident.

NO HUMAN is a son of God BEFORE Jesus' death and resurrection!

In fact, even the supposed GOOD guy, Seth, who's children are erroneously taught by many to be the "sons of God" in Genesis 6, was not Spiritually made in God's image. NO ONE IS until they are born again. Seth was made in fallen ADAM'S image. As are we all, until our new birth.

Genesis 5:3 New King James Version (NKJV)
3 And ADAM lived one hundred and thirty years, and BEGOT a son IN HIS OWN LIKENESS, AFTER HIS IMAGE, and named him Seth.
POST ADAMIC FALL!


The term for sons of God is "bene elohim" and it is found in only one other Book of the Bible. It's in Job, and there really is no debate that in Job, it refers to Angels.

Before posting it, we should talk a bit about Angels. The word angel, simply means "messenger". It does not necessarily denote one, complete, race of beings. The Bible talks about ranks of angels, and arch-angels, and cherubim, etc.. What manner and type of "angels" left Heaven and sinned, or even assembled before God in Job, we simply don't know. But BOTH were a part of the "Angelic" Heavenly realm.

I'll just post one of the Job references:

Satan Attacks Job’s Character
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God (BENE ELOHIM) came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.

It's the exact term used in Genesis 6. Conclusive all on it's own, but there's so much more.
 

PennEd

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Genesis 6:3 And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

The text plainly says the children of the fallen angels and human women are the Nephilim. They were endowed with massive size and power. I believe the Greek Legends derive from these guys. Although I am not saying all that the Greek Legends say is accurate.

But it does mention "AND ALSO AFTWERWARD"...

So what comes also afterward? The text says the Giants, or Nephilim come after. After what? The flood.

Does this mean MORE fallen angels mate with women after the flood? I don't think so. Seems very unlikely, although possible. It appears not ALL the angels that fell with Satan committed this sin that Jude and Peter talk about. But they would have seen the immediate, incredibly harsh judgement, and place where those that did are kept. Tartarus!

The word is used only ONE time in Scripture, and in most translations is usually rendered as "hell". It's unfortunate because this confuses people. Most of the western world think of hell as the lake of fire. That word is Gehenna in the NT.

2 Peter 2:4 New King James Version (NKJV)
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell (TARTARUS) and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;

So what do we know about "Tartarus"? Really not too much. This from Wikipedia of all places:

In Greek mythology, Tartarus (/ˈtɑːrtərəs/; Ancient Greek: Τάρταρος, Tártaros)[1] is the deep abyss that is used as a dungeon of torment and suffering for the wicked and as the prison for the Titans. Tartarus is the place where, according to Plato's Gorgias (c. 400 BC), souls are judged after death and where the wicked received divine punishment. Tartarus is also considered to be a primordial force or deity alongside entities such as the Earth, Night, and Time.

This definition is not totally accurate. There is no Biblical proof that any humans went to Tartarus, Tartarus is not Hades/Sheol, but it's does paint an awful picture of where these particular fallen angels currently are.


The point is, the rest of the angels wouldn't want any part of that place.
 

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Matthew 24: 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Why did God utterly destroy, and wipe clean the entire world He created, and everything in it, save Noah, his family, and the selected animals aboard the Ark?

To answer this question we have to closely examine Genesis 6, the fallen angels that mated with human women, their progeny the Nephilim, and the proclamation 4 There were giants (Nephilim) on the earth in those days, AND ALSO AFTERWARD,..

So why do I believe this issue is so important? Because Jesus said in the end days things would be like in the days of Noah. I contend that we are living in the end days, and are doing the same things that that led God to destroy the world.

Matthew 24: 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved;

So first I'll lay out SOME of the vast Biblical proof that fallen angels DID mate with human women producing the Nephillim, hybrid race, the ALSO AFTERWARD, and the CORRUPTED flesh.
Then talk about how we are committing the same sin that they did.

But I will NOT be doing much, if any, debating with those that either can't, or won't accept the plain Biblical truth about fallen angels. That is not speculative. I will be doing some speculation, but that fact is not. If there are honest, skeptical questions fine. But otherwise I'd recommend just scrolling on by.
I did a short blog on this very subject which you may want to look at, you can find it Here
 

PennEd

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So, what about also afterward...? This is from a post from a couple of yrs ago that I wrote:

I have heard 3 theories on the "and also afterward" in THIS verse. All are speculative. What is NOT speculative is that the "sons of God" in Gen. 6 are fallen angels.

Genesis 6:4 New King James Version (NKJV)
4 There were giants on the earth in those days, AND ALSO AFTERWARD, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

1. There was a second (or even 3rd) incursion of fallen angels.
Seems unlikely to me after the remaining angels saw the offending angels getting tossed into Tartarus.

2. Corrupted sea creatures survived the Flood and somehow mixed with post flood humans.
Don't like it. For a variety of reasons.

3. The regressive corrupted genes were carried forth by one or more of Noah's daughters in Law.
This is the most likely IMO.
ALL flesh had corrupted itself except Noah. I think it is safe to assume Mrs. Noah, since they are regarded as "one flesh" by God, is incorrupt as well. Meaning their children are incorrupt.

My niece's son has cystic fibrosis. Terrible disease. BOTH of his parents must carry the gene, and even then there is only a 1 in 4 chance of their offspring getting the disease.

This may be why future nephilim are not only less prevalent post Flood, but of smaller scale and abilities. (King Og of Bashan was 15 ft, Goliath 10-12 ft, instead of 30 ft or more)

It also explains the very strict Commandment by God of not intermingling with other people, and the VERY harsh decrees to completely wipe out certain people groups. Even being told to run their swords through infants and toddlers. Think on that a second. I've had not too few "skeptics" use passages like this to say either there is no God, or He is a monster. Explaining that God is eliminating Satanic seed at least keeps the discussion going, til the Gospel can be presented.

This is directly from the Lord:
1 Samuel 15:3 New King James Version (NKJV)
3 Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, INFANT AND NURSING CHILD, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’ ”

The Amelekites were certainly more than just a little infected!

Here we see King David trying to weed out the Nephilim. If you were too tall, OFF with your head!
2 Samuel 8:2 New King James Version (NKJV)
2 Then he defeated Moab. Forcing them down to the ground, he measured them off with a line. With two lines he measured off those to be put to death, and with one full line those to be kept alive. So the Moabites became David’s servants, and brought tribute.
 

PennEd

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Genesis 6:5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

So what IS this wickedness and sin that caused God to scrub the world and start anew?

It can't be the sin we are all familiar with. Which is the breaking of the Law. Because that has gone on unabated since the Ark landed on Mt Ararat!

No. There was a SPECIFIC sin committed. And we are actually told what that sin is in this chapter.

Genesis 6:
9 This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God. 10 And Noah begot three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 So God LOOKED upon the earth, and INDEED it was CORRUPT; for ALL flesh had CORRUPTED THEIR WAY on the earth.

Corrupt- Blemished, Spoiled, Polluted


So ALL flesh had somehow corrupted itself, AND most of the animals. I believe this is more than them all being descendants of the Nephilim, although I'm sure many had the satanic genes.

We tend to think of the ancients as not much smarter than cavemen. NOTHING could be further from the truth. These people were brilliant. Close to the original creation of Adam. Evolution teaches that we are getting mentally and physically better as a world and species. NOT true. As time goes by we are weaker and weaker than our ancestors in every way except accumulated knowledge.

On top of that, they likely had first hand satanic knowledge of a myriad of subjects, including DNA manipulation.

I believe these people DID something to themselves and animals on a genetic level that so altered God's original Creation, that He had to utterly wipe them out.

THAT was THE sin God could not tolerate.
Except....

9 This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations (FROM WHICH WE GET GENES). Noah walked with God. 10 And Noah begot three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

So Noah had incorrupt GENES. As well as the selected animals.

Now Jesus tells us that in the last days this SAME kind of sin committed in Noah's days, will happen again.

And UNLESS these days are shortened, NO FLESH (uncorrupted) will be saved!

You'd have to live on a desert island not to know about the DNA manipulation (corrupting God's Creation) going on today, even IF you don't include the mRNA vaccine they want to pump into everyone.

So....
 

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IMO, the manipulation of the very makeup of human beings is inspired by demonic beings. When we see God telling the Israelites to destroy everything having to do with the ungodly nations around them we should understand that even proximity seems to rub off the wrong way.

The fact that Israel never did completely obey what God told them regarding these things, comes to roost in the constant conflicts they endured and where we are in history today.

Frankly, I don't believe that if a Christian does not have a bigger view of the world than his or her own little piece of it, they are able to understand what is actually going on, let alone respond to it in the way that God has already laid out.

I am not a conspiracy theorist. I am a biblical realist. I would suggest that those who follow all the various youtube videos filled with this conspiracy or that conspiracy are being led astray. We have a far bigger conflict that we are actually living and the Bible describes it as fact in a manner that seems to suggest you will or you will not believe it.

There is a reason the internet and TV are filled with false teachers, prophets and so called miracle workers. God allows these things because people follow after what their eyes 'see' rather than God who is not seen but whose handiwork is all around, attesting to His existence.

The Bible describes a great falling away and yet day after day we are told by false leaders that there is going to be some great revival and millions clap and agree that is the message from God but it is a lying spirit.

Very few grasp this while this planet makes its journey around our sun and yet there is really no excuse to remain ignorant.
 

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it's right out of scripture,
'GEN. 6:5.
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart
was only evil continually.
and Christ said that the 'end times would be', 'as the days of Noah' -
just take a LOOK around peeps, = come out of your 'comfort zones and take a REAL LOOK!!!
 

Magenta

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Ah, yes, the old "I'm right and anyone who disagrees is wrong" approach.
 

KingdomBrat

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יחיד = "Nobles" is the translation of the Hebrew cherem [Herem or cherem (Hebrew: חרם, ḥērem)] (occurring only in the plural) = Herem or cherem (Hebrew: חרם, ḥērem), as used in the Tanakh, means 'devote' or 'destroy' in an act of war.

Ultimately, the use of Nobles [specifically Cherem] here in Genesis 6 is to [SIGNIFY] an Act of War.

The Ancient Hebrew [יחיד] wants us to view this as War from the Fallen Sons of God (Job gives 3 examples) upon God Himself by trying to [Destroy God's Creation of Humanity]. This WAR ended with the Flood of Noah!

2 Peter 2 explains the conditions of the [sinful Earth], (before the LAW), including examples of Sodom, and sexual perversions, lusting after [STRANGE flesh (Angel with human)], and the Disobedience by those Angels still chained in a Darkness you can feel engulfed all around you like it's touching you until the Day of judgement!

If we understand that the Fallen Angels created the Act of War by breeding Giants to be demonic and destroy God's Creation, we understand why [After] the Flood from the lineage of Ham, we see God ordering Joshua to destroy the enemy-their possessions-everything-make it completely disappear, we see the Kingdom of Israel [Saul] is commanded to utterly destroy certain enemies like Amalekites. This is all remnant of that Act of War.
 

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Matthew 24: 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Why did God utterly destroy, and wipe clean the entire world He created, and everything in it, save Noah, his family, and the selected animals aboard the Ark?

To answer this question we have to closely examine Genesis 6, the fallen angels that mated with human women, their progeny the Nephilim, and the proclamation 4 There were giants (Nephilim) on the earth in those days, AND ALSO AFTERWARD,..

So why do I believe this issue is so important? Because Jesus said in the end days things would be like in the days of Noah. I contend that we are living in the end days, and are doing the same things that that led God to destroy the world.

Matthew 24: 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved;

So first I'll lay out SOME of the vast Biblical proof that fallen angels DID mate with human women producing the Nephillim, hybrid race, the ALSO AFTERWARD, and the CORRUPTED flesh.
Then talk about how we are committing the same sin that they did.

But I will NOT be doing much, if any, debating with those that either can't, or won't accept the plain Biblical truth about fallen angels. That is not speculative. I will be doing some speculation, but that fact is not. If there are honest, skeptical questions fine. But otherwise I'd recommend just scrolling on by.
Interesting take and I think it's good.

I'd like to add my discussion too.

My thinking is that in the days of Noah there was too much wickedness abounding:

Genesis 6:5-6
5"And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

So the wickedness of people is what I think prompted God to be grieved enough to regret making man. God was not angry or wrathful in doing this. Notice that Noah and his family totaled out eight. God only allows wickedness to go until a point then it's time to reset.

What did God say about Sodom and Gomorrah?

Genesis 18:32
32"And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake."

Again, wickedness had bocome so rampant there that there weren't even a mere 10 righteous people availabe. God followed through with his promise to destroy them.

So what about the return of Christ being like the days of Noah? Christ will return after a period known as the Great Tribulation where wickedness will be rampant:

Matthew 24:22-23
21"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

It'll be so bad that barely anyone will survive except by divine intervention to save the elect.

Matthew 24:28
28"For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together."

So there's gonna be a lot of dead bodies laying around when Jesus returns. It'll be similar in scope to the great flood like in the days of Noah: the wicked perish and the elect (Christ's church) are saved.
 

Blik

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Thank you for this thread and for explaining so completely.

People believe the book of Jude is scripture, the book of Jude quotes Enoch as scripture.

The book of Enoch also explains this, yet people will go to great lengths telling how they know that scripture says everything told of these giants is absolutely false. They say they know how the world was before the flood, they know it was exactly like our world is today they say. As you are pointing out, they are blind.
 

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Matthew 24: 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Why did God utterly destroy, and wipe clean the entire world He created, and everything in it, save Noah, his family, and the selected animals aboard the Ark?

To answer this question we have to closely examine Genesis 6, the fallen angels that mated with human women, their progeny the Nephilim, and the proclamation 4 There were giants (Nephilim) on the earth in those days, AND ALSO AFTERWARD,..

So why do I believe this issue is so important? Because Jesus said in the end days things would be like in the days of Noah. I contend that we are living in the end days, and are doing the same things that that led God to destroy the world.

Matthew 24: 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved;

So first I'll lay out SOME of the vast Biblical proof that fallen angels DID mate with human women producing the Nephillim, hybrid race, the ALSO AFTERWARD, and the CORRUPTED flesh.
Then talk about how we are committing the same sin that they did.

But I will NOT be doing much, if any, debating with those that either can't, or won't accept the plain Biblical truth about fallen angels. That is not speculative. I will be doing some speculation, but that fact is not. If there are honest, skeptical questions fine. But otherwise I'd recommend just scrolling on by.
Good stuff. These perverted relationships were all part of Satan’s attack on the seed line of Genesis 3:15. Man began to multiply. Satan lost track of the seed line. His plan, attack all man’s seed to corrupt it. What we get in Genesis 5 is God’s preserved seed line of Genesis 3:15. Noah was in that line and was chosen to carry it forth on the ark as the earth was being destroyed.
 

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Genesis 6:5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

So what IS this wickedness and sin that caused God to scrub the world and start anew?

It can't be the sin we are all familiar with. Which is the breaking of the Law. Because that has gone on unabated since the Ark landed on Mt Ararat!

No. There was a SPECIFIC sin committed. And we are actually told what that sin is in this chapter.

Genesis 6:
9 This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God. 10 And Noah begot three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 So God LOOKED upon the earth, and INDEED it was CORRUPT; for ALL flesh had CORRUPTED THEIR WAY on the earth.

Corrupt- Blemished, Spoiled, Polluted


So ALL flesh had somehow corrupted itself, AND most of the animals. I believe this is more than them all being descendants of the Nephilim, although I'm sure many had the satanic genes.

We tend to think of the ancients as not much smarter than cavemen. NOTHING could be further from the truth. These people were brilliant. Close to the original creation of Adam. Evolution teaches that we are getting mentally and physically better as a world and species. NOT true. As time goes by we are weaker and weaker than our ancestors in every way except accumulated knowledge.

On top of that, they likely had first hand satanic knowledge of a myriad of subjects, including DNA manipulation.

I believe these people DID something to themselves and animals on a genetic level that so altered God's original Creation, that He had to utterly wipe them out.

THAT was THE sin God could not tolerate.
Except....

9 This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations (FROM WHICH WE GET GENES). Noah walked with God. 10 And Noah begot three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

So Noah had incorrupt GENES. As well as the selected animals.

Now Jesus tells us that in the last days this SAME kind of sin committed in Noah's days, will happen again.

And UNLESS these days are shortened, NO FLESH (uncorrupted) will be saved!

You'd have to live on a desert island not to know about the DNA manipulation (corrupting God's Creation) going on today, even IF you don't include the mRNA vaccine they want to pump into everyone.

So....
Good post, PennEd!

I know that this is a sore subject with many, but I believe that Enoch whom Jude quoted, give us much much insight to the corruption of the human race. Here is what Enoch states regarding this:

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Enoch 7:1- It happened after the sons of men had multiplied in those days, that daughters were born to them, elegant and beautiful. And when the angels, the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamored of the, saying to each other: Come, let us beget Children.

Enoch 7:10-11 - Then they (the angels) took wives, each choosing form himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom the cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantation, and the dividing of roots and trees. And they (human women) conceiving brought forth giants.
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Furthermore, Enoch goes on to state that these angels, also called 'the watchers of heaven' taught men to make swords, knives, shields, breastplates, the workmanship of bracelets and ornaments, the use of paint, the beautifying of the eyebrows, the use of stones of every valuable and select kind and all sorts of dyes, so that the world became altered (corrupted).

In addition, these angels taught mankind the arts of sorceries and dividers of roots, the solution of sorcery, observance of the stars, signs, astronomy and the motion of the moon. And because of all that these angels taught mankind and the fact that they had corrupted human DNA, it states the following:

Impiety increased; fornication multiplied; and they (humans) transgressed and corrupted all their ways, which is supported by Genesis 6:5, but with more detail.

Now regarding all those things that the angels taught such as, sorcery, divination, astrology, etc., I would offer the following which took place in Ephesus:

"Many who had believed now came forward, confessing and disclosing their deeds. And a number of those who had practiced magic arts brought their books and burned them in front of everyone. When the value of the books was calculated, the total came to fifty thousand drachmas." - Acts 19:18 Note: a drachma or silver coin, was worth about a days wages

These books of magic arts could have been the documented information (instruction manuals) that the angels had taught pre-flood regarding sorcery and magic arts. It is obvious that mankind did not come up with these abilities on his own, but it had to come from those who were well acquainted with it, i.e. the angels who taught it.

Whether you give any credence to Enoch or not, I am just providing detailed information that Genesis 6 does not mention, i.e. Enoch is filling in blanks.
 

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it's right out of scripture,
'GEN. 6:5.
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart
was only evil continually.
and Christ said that the 'end times would be', 'as the days of Noah' -
just take a LOOK around peeps, = come out of your 'comfort zones and take a REAL LOOK!!!
Because I believe Yeshua-Jesus, when this subject comes up m comment on it is very simple, I reply that it will only get worse, but at the end it will be worth it all. Patience will be required more and more.
 

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Because I believe Yeshua-Jesus, when this subject comes up m comment on it is very simple, I reply that it will only get worse, but at the end it will be worth it all. Patience will be required more and more.
To go along with your assessment, [Patience] eventually comes to all Believers at a certain point. This is the Blessing of God as we grow older to relax knowing the security of our Salvation is within Him. But in due time, like You have mentioned, [Patience] will be as keen to [Wisdom, Knowledge, Comprehension and Discernment] for what portions we will face.
 

TMS

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If it's true or not the big picture doesn't change.
We are in the middle of the great controversy between God and Satan. The Human soul is the prize and God has given all to save everyone, while Satan is doing all to corrupt everyone. The things that demons can, and are able to do is in Gods hands, and we do not need to fear because we know that God wins and the Devil loses. Salvation is not about what the demons did, or will do, but about what Jesus did and if we focus on Him we have nothing to fear.
Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
 

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Thank you for this thread and for explaining so completely.

People believe the book of Jude is scripture, the book of Jude quotes Enoch as scripture.

The book of Enoch also explains this, yet people will go to great lengths telling how they know that scripture says everything told of these giants is absolutely false. They say they know how the world was before the flood, they know it was exactly like our world is today they say. As you are pointing out, they are blind.
Of the Apocrypha, Josephus says: “We do not possess myriads
of inconsistent books, conflicting with each other. Our books,
those which are justly accredited, are but two and twenty
[the equivalent of the 39 books of the Hebrew Scriptures
according to modern division], and contain the record of all time.”

As to the book of Enoch being found with the Dead Sea Scrolls: the
Dead Sea Scrolls contain all kinds of documents, not just Scripture.
For instance, calendars, commentaries, songbooks, community
regulations, and/or historical documents unearthed at Qumran
should also not be considered to be part of the Bible. The Qumran
library was much more than just Biblical manuscripts :)