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Dino246

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pittsburghjoe said:
Joel 2:28 "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:"

Could it be argued that the whole reason God made a Son was to deal with us corrupt humans?
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God didn't "make" a Son. The Son is God from the beginning.
 
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Yahcubs777 said:
A Prophet is he that hears from GOD inaudibly.
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What is your scriptural support for this assertion?

Yahcubs777 said:
A Prophet is born not made.
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What is your scriptural support for this assertion? Agabus was a prophet, but there is nothing in Scripture suggesting that he was born a prophet.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
God the Father is the Creator ..including creating His Son.
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Your statement is contradicted by the plain word of God in John 1:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

God the Son was not created.
 
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Dino246 said:
What is your scriptural support for this assertion?


What is your scriptural support for this assertion? Agabus was a prophet, but there is nothing in Scripture suggesting that he was born a prophet.
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5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
 
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Yahcubs777 said:
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
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A text without a context is a pretext.

Book and chapter, please. I'm not going on a hunting expedition to support your assertion.
 
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Dino246 said:
Your statement is contradicted by the plain word of God in John 1:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

God the Son was not created.
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"He was with God in the beginning. "

Erm, okay so our beginning isn't the same as God's.

I don't get why He has to come into existence at the same time as God the Father. Jesus is still God and in the Trinity.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
Joel 2:28 "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:"

Could it be argued that the whole reason God made a Son was to deal with us corrupt humans?
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The Purpose of Christ is to Circumcise the Hearts of all whom His Father had given to Him. Jesus is the only one who can lift individual Curses from Humans.

2 Corinthians 3:14 NIV - "But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away."
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
"He was with God in the beginning. "

Wait, is that real scripture? Oh, guess so. Erm, okay so our beginning isn't the same as God's.

I don't get why He has to come into existence at the same time as God the Father. Jesus is still God and in the Trinity.
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John 8:58 NIV - "Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
 
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2ndTimothyGroup said:
John 8:58 NIV - "Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
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God the Father doesn't have a beginning. This world does. I don't think it hurts anything for Jesus to have a start date sometime before the Creation of this place.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
"He was with God in the beginning. "

Erm, okay so our beginning isn't the same as God's.

I don't get why He has to come into existence at the same time as God the Father. Jesus is still God and in the Trinity.
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He didn't "come into existence at the same time as God the Father". He IS God, just as the Father is God, and did not "come into existence".
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
God the Father doesn't have a beginning. This world does. I don't think it hurts anything for Jesus to have a start date sometime before the Creation of this place.
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That would make Jesus a created being when he is the uncreated God who in fact created everything.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
God the Father doesn't have a beginning. This world does. I don't think it hurts anything for Jesus to have a start date sometime before the Creation of this place.
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I dunno, bro! :D

Colossians 1:16 ESV - "For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things were created through him and for him."
Hebrews 2:10 ESV - "For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the founder of their salvation perfect through suffering."
 
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2ndTimothyGroup said:
I dunno, bro! :D

Colossians 1:16 ESV - "For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things were created through him and for him."
Hebrews 2:10 ESV - "For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the founder of their salvation perfect through suffering."
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Are either of those talking about Jesus?

Am I insane or is there a God the Father who is the Creator?
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
"He was with God in the beginning. "

Erm, okay so our beginning isn't the same as God's.

I don't get why He has to come into existence at the same time as God the Father. Jesus is still God and in the Trinity.
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GOD the Son, is the same GOD that Proceeds from HIMSELF so that HE can enter into a heavens world or the earth. For GOD as HE is is larger than any planet that HE hung on Air. So GOD the Son is GOD. HE is NOT separate. GOD the Son is the express image of the invisible GOD. Meaning, that GOD the Son is the GOD eyes can see. While GOD as HE is has Body, but it is invisible. GOD lacked not body; GOD lacks nothing; HE is self dependent, self sufficient, all sufficient without beginning or end.

Have I been so long with you, and still you say show me the father. He that has seen me has seen the father.
I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
 
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Yahcubs777 said:
GOD the Son, is the same GOD that Proceeds from HIMSELF so that HE can enter into a heavens world or the earth. For GOD as HE is is larger than any planet that HE hung on Air. So GOD the Son is GOD. HE is NOT separate. GOD the Son is the express image of the invisible GOD. Meaning, that GOD the Son is the GOD eyes can see. While GOD as HE is has Body, but it is invisible. GOD lacked not body; GOD lacks nothing; HE is self dependent, self sufficient, all sufficient without beginning or end.

Have I been so long with you, and still you say show me the father. He that has seen me has seen the father.
I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
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Jesus wouldn't be called the Son then ..it would just be God.
 
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Yahcubs777 said:
By the time you get to Abrahams Bosom, you will realise that Man is not dust, but that Man is a Spirit Being. And that Spirit Being has anatomy. And you will wonder, how did I ever believe that Man is dust.
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honestly i'm quite sure i'll still believe the word of God.
 
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I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 5:30
 
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