The diciples prayer .
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Just think next time you praying on your own why your saying ' Our ' 'Father . My kids don't come up to me and say" Our dad can I have a drink " Our dad can I play outside " Our daddy can I have some chocolate " Our phil36That's good that you pray to 'our' Father
I have thought about it. If Jesus can say it then I have definitely no problem with saying it. Of course just saying Father is fine as well
This is only the tip of the ice berg . This I've used to demonstrate the root of the problem There's a whole host of verses that the church thinks is for them . Usually its replacement theology, but many denominations do not rightly divide. " Yes when Jesus said that ,what he REALLY meant was .." I know it says Israel BUT ....." Yes Jesus was talking to Jews BUT ...." yes I know Jesus was talking to his diciples BUT ..." yes I know Jesus said that he was not sent but to the lost sheep of Israel BUT ...." Yes I know the newtestement began with Jesus death BUT "I have thought about it. If Jesus can say it then I have definitely no problem with saying it. Of course just saying Father is fine as well
I am sure that there are some out there who have bad teachings and do not ''rightly divide''. I would say almost definitely some wrongly ''Divide''.
But, in the end truth will always prevail.
---Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6
---Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth. John 17:17
---Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. Hebrews 13:8
You could do a whole thread on this verse.
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. Hebrews 13:8
This verse is about his nature ,being and essence ..That he doesn't change who he is ,his character, nature and his promises. Its not sating anything about his revelation unfolding and what is revealed over time or how God deals with things or how how things change throughout the bible.
That's exactly why I used that verse
. Because God never changes, His truth never changes, and truth will always prevail.---Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6
---Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth. John 17:17
---Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. Hebrews 13:8
So all what God reveals is truth, His unfolding redemptive plan is truth. Jesus is the truth, His word is truth. And he is the same yesterday, today and forever.
That verse doesn't say he doesn't change what he does and change how he deals with people . Animal sacrifices, circumcision ect . Its another verse like 'Judge not 'which gets twisted.That's exactly why I used that verse
---Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6
---Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth. John 17:17
---Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. Hebrews 13:8
Does a gentile need to become a proselyete first, today? But Jesus is the same yesterday ...lol Notice it says Jesus christ IS the same . It doesn't say anything else other than that .
I'm certainly getting older, Whats worse is the older you get time just seems to go faster...could do with it slowing down a bit
So do Jews. When a rabbi prays "Father" in his synagogue, he means our Father, not just my Father. As i showed, Paul the Israelite said we cry , Abba Father.
This prayer is asking for
Abba is an intimate term. Father is a formal way of addressing your paternal parent. Most of us didn’t call our physical fathers, “father,” most of the time when we addressed them. Instead we called them Dad or Daddy. Those are intimate terms of address for your father. “Abba” is roughly comparable to our Daddy.
we, as children of God, can also address the Father as Abba on an individual basis.
When Jesus Christ wanted to get in close to His Father, He called Him “Abba” (Mark 14:36). And because the same Spirit lives in us that lived in Jesus Christ (Gal. 4:6), we, as children of God, can also address the Father as Abba on an individual basis.
you can address the Lord as “Father.” But it is not a corporate address as the Jews gave in Matthew 6:9 (“Our Father”). You can address God on a personal, individual level and on an intimate, endearing level; much as Jesus did in Mark 14:36. There, Jesus said, “Abba, Father.”
No Israelite would ever think of doing it, for no individual Israelite was a son of God. That is why they prayed, “Our Father.” The nation as a whole was accounted a Son of God (see Exod. 4:22). For an Israelite to call an individual a “son of God” was to equate that person with God Himself (John 10:30–36). That is why Jesus could be called “the Son of God.” He was “God manifested in the flesh.” Because we Christians are in Him individually, we can also be called sons of God—individually (John 1:12). As sons of God, in Jesus Christ, we can have the same intimate relation with the Father that He had (Gal. 4:6).
So with all this said , its not correct teaching to retro fit this prayer onto those in Christ today. As the Catholics do ect . Is God going to be angry if we use it? probably not . But context is everything if we are to apply the bible properly.