No gentile has ever been under Mosaic law

FlyingDove · Mar 10, 2021

No gentiles has ever been under Mosaic law. Neither has any NT believer ever been under the Covenant made at Sinai.

Ex 11:7 But against any of the children of Israel shall not a dog move his tongue, against man or beast: that ye may know how that "the LORD doth put a difference between the Nations and Israel".
(NOTE: The LORD put a difference between all (69) other Nations & Israel/His chosen people) BTW: The same LORD later refers to the gentile/Canaanite woman as a dog. Gentiles were viewed as unclean dogs, bastards, outside of covenant seals)

Ex 19:
3 God, spoke to Moses saying, Thus shalt thou "say to the house of Jacob" "and tell the children of Israel";
(NOTE: God tells Moses, say to: the house of Jacob/children of Israel! Gentiles had/have NO PART in this law covenant)

7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the Lord commanded him.
(MY NOTE: Law of Moses was given to: The house of Jacob/children of Israel (reread vs 3)

8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the Lord hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the Lord.
(MY NOTE: When Moses gives the law to: the house of Jacob/children of Israel: They ALL AGREED, to the words the Lord had spoken)

Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
(MY NOTE: Circumcision: A blood covenant made with hands & required under Mosaic law)

Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
(MY NOTE: Gentiles referred to as the Uncircumcision (vs 11) were without God, having no covenant promises & a hopeless future)

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
(MY NOTE: But, NOW! = Post death & resurrection/new Melchizedek priesthood covenant. Believing gentiles are no longer bastards outside of covenant seals)

Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves
(MY PARSING NOTE: Gentiles were never under/had not the Mosaic law)

Council at Jerusalem
Acts 15:
1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
(MY NOTE: Jews try to place gentiles under Mosaic law)

5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
(NOTE: These Christ rejecting Pharisees claimed gentile believers needed to be circumcised & commanded to keep the law of Moses).

6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
(NOTE: Peter revisits his trip to Cornelius house (Acts 10). And how by word of mouth gentiles believed on Christ's sin payment & resurrection. Were gentiles received Christ's eternal salvation sealing baptism with His indwelling Holy Spirit)

8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
(NOTE: These gentiles heard about Christ's sin payment & resurrection. They believed: NO repentance, water baptism, circumcision, they brought no sin sacrifice to the Temple, No Mosaic law keeping etc. Thru faith in Christ's sin payment & resurrection & faith alone. Christ eternally sealed them with His indwelling Holy Spirit)

9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
(NOTE: Gentiles hearts were Purified by water? NO! Purified by the Holy Spirit via Faith)

10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
(NOTE: Peter say's neither our forefathers, nor us, could bear the yoke, of keeping the law of Moses with fidelity)

11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
(NOTE: Peter proclaims God has showed us that, ALL, are saved by grace thru faith, us/Jews & gentiles as well)

23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia.
(NOTE: The apostles send letters to all the gentile believing churches in Antioch, Syria & Cilicia.)

24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
(NOTE: The letters written & sent by Christ chosen apostles. Proclaim that gentiles, are not, nor were they ever, required to be circumcised or keep Mosaic law. Quoting: WE gave NO such commandment! )

In short:
Exodus; only Israel agrees & enters into the Mosaic law covenant on Mt Sinai.

(2) Posted Eph, Rom & Acts scripture also state gentiles were never under the Mosaic law covenant.

Pilgrimshope · Mar 10, 2021

FlyingDove said:

I think you are mistaking that Gentiles were never brought into a covenant under the law , and forgetting God made all Mankind , he chose Abraham’s descendants as a concession because of
Mans wickedness they weren’t chosen from the beginning all of mankind was

so what that means is this for Gentiles even though they weren’t part of Moses covenant

“For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness,

and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:12, 14-16‬ ‭

we aren’t judged by the law we are condemned by it , we’re judged by Jesus and the gospel.

Paul’s saying , when someone commits adultery , they lie and cover it up because they understand it is sin , hiding it shows the law on thoer conscience . Murderers hide and flee because they understand they have broken the law doesn’t matter if they had a covenant saying “ do not kill” thier conscience proves they are under the same law

when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness,

When we sin were proving that we’re sinners under the law . by nature man understands good and evil so we hide the evil we do and show everyone the good we do . God is going to judge all we do even the secrets we keep jew or gentile no difference no one is under Moses covenant now everyone’s under it’s curse

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

salvation came in the New Testament to save men from the curse of the law

FlyingDove · Mar 10, 2021

Pilgrimshope said:

I believe thread post #1 makes this clear:

No gentiles has ever been under Mosaic law. Neither has any NT believer ever been under the Covenant made at Sinai.

OP doesn't claim there isn't a sovereign creator God, or no right & wrong actions. Adam wasn't under Mosaic coventant laws, yet, he knowingly transgressed/sinned against God's law.

Again, as stated in post #1:
In the book of Exodus it's Israel ONLY! That agrees with & enters into, the Mosaic law covenant on Mt Sinai, NO GENTILES.

OP post #1, Verses: Eph 2:12, Rom 2:14 & Acts 15:1,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,23 & most notably Vs 24. Confirm gentiles were never under the Mosaic law covenant.

Regarding content in your reply:
“For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
(MY REPLY: Here you agree many have sinned without being under Mosaic law)

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness,
(MY REPLY: Here you agree Gentiles have not the Mosaic law)

and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

(MY REPLY: This suggest it's thoughts/conscience (void if Mosaic law) that's accusing or excusing)

In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:12, 14-16‬ ‭
(MY REPLY: This thread in no way disagrees or argues against these verses)

we aren’t judged by the law we are condemned by it , we’re judged by Jesus and the gospel.
(MY REPLY: Which is it? we're Judged by the law or we’re judged by Jesus the gospel of Jesus the Christ?)

Paul’s saying , when someone commits adultery , they lie and cover it up because they understand it is sin , hiding it shows the law on their conscience . Murderers hide and flee because they understand they have broken the law doesn’t matter if they had a covenant saying “ do not kill” their conscience proves they are under the same law
(MY REPLY: I disagree, there are laws & there is the Mosaic law covenant, NOT the same.

when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
(MY REPLY: Here again, you agree Gentiles have not Mosaic law)

Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness,
(MY REPLY: Void of being under Mosaic law, people have a conscience & for the most part, by adulthood have a good moral understanding between right & wrong)

Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness,
(MY REPLY:
Rom 2:
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

(MY NOTE: You post verses in support of the thread??? Vs 14 gentiles WHICH DON'T HAVE THE LAW!!! HAVING NOT THE LAW!!!. 2ndly Rom is written to believers (Rom 1:7) Believers have the new covenant laws written on their heart by Christs indwelling Holy Spirit)

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.
(MY REPLY: This verse is from God's rainbow covenant with Noah Gen 9:16 & not applicable to the Mosaic law covenant)

Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬
(MY REPLY: Isa is a Jewish prophet under Mosaic law. The curse mentioned here is levied in Duet 28:15-60 under the Mosaic Covenant made at Sinai)

Nehemiah6 · Mar 10, 2021

FlyingDove said:

That is COMPLETELY FALSE. Gentiles within the mixed multitude which came out of Egypt were under the Law. And many Gentiles who joined Israel likewise throughout the history of Israel. There were also proselytes who were actually Gentile converts to Judaism. They chose to put themselves under the Mosaic Law.

Guojing · Mar 10, 2021

FlyingDove said:

I believe thread post #1 makes this clear:

No gentiles has ever been under Mosaic law. Neither has any NT believer ever been under the Covenant made at Sinai.

OP doesn't claim there isn't a sovereign creator God, or no right & wrong actions. Adam wasn't under Mosaic coventant laws, yet, he knowingly transgressed/sinned against God's law.

Again, as stated in post #1:
In the book of Exodus it's Israel ONLY! That agrees with & enters into, the Mosaic law covenant on Mt Sinai, NO GENTILES.

OP post #1, Verses: Eph 2:12, Rom 2:14 & Acts 15:1,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,23 & most notably Vs 24. Confirm gentiles were never under the Mosaic law covenant.

Regarding content in your reply:
“For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
(MY REPLY: Here you agree many have sinned without being under Mosaic law)

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness,
(MY REPLY: Here you agree Gentiles have not the Mosaic law)

and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

(MY REPLY: This suggest it's thoughts/conscience (void if Mosaic law) that's accusing or excusing)

In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:12, 14-16‬ ‭
(MY REPLY: This thread in no way disagrees or argues against these verses)

we aren’t judged by the law we are condemned by it , we’re judged by Jesus and the gospel.
(MY REPLY: Which is it? we're Judged by the law or we’re judged by Jesus the gospel of Jesus the Christ?)

Paul’s saying , when someone commits adultery , they lie and cover it up because they understand it is sin , hiding it shows the law on their conscience . Murderers hide and flee because they understand they have broken the law doesn’t matter if they had a covenant saying “ do not kill” their conscience proves they are under the same law
(MY REPLY: I disagree, there are laws & there is the Mosaic law covenant, NOT the same.

when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
(MY REPLY: Here again, you agree Gentiles have not Mosaic law)

Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness,
(MY REPLY: Void of being under Mosaic law, people have a conscience & for the most part, by adulthood have a good moral understanding between right & wrong)

Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness,
(MY REPLY:
Rom 2:
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

(MY NOTE: You post verses in support of the thread??? Vs 14 gentiles WHICH DON'T HAVE THE LAW!!! HAVING NOT THE LAW!!!. 2ndly Rom is written to believers (Rom 1:7) Believers have the new covenant laws written on their heart by Christs indwelling Holy Spirit)

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.
(MY REPLY: This verse is from God's rainbow covenant with Noah Gen 9:16 & not applicable to the Mosaic law covenant)

Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬
(MY REPLY: Isa is a Jewish prophet under Mosaic law. The curse mentioned here is levied in Duet 28:15-60 under the Mosaic Covenant made at Sinai)

You are correct, no gentiles are in the Covenant of the Law that God made with Israel in Exodus 24.

But gentiles are condemned by the Law too, as Paul indicated in Romans.

Law and covenant of the Law are not the same terms.

Guojing · Mar 10, 2021

Nehemiah6 said:

Once they do that, they become Jews and are no longer gentiles, so you are making a minor point (Esther 8:17)

Nehemiah6 · Mar 10, 2021

Guojing said:

No. That too is incorrect. Jews were all in essence Israelites, belonging to the 12 tribes of Israel. Gentiles did not automatically become part of any tribe.

2ndTimothyGroup · Mar 10, 2021

One thing that we're missing is that the Law teaches us all what is right and wrong, thus in essence, all are impacted by the law. More than this, the Law is what opens the door to sin, as Paul taught about coveting. He teaches as follows:

Romans 7:7-9 NLT - "Well then, am I suggesting that the law of God is sinful? Of course not! In fact, it was the law that showed me my sin. I would never have known that coveting is wrong if the law had not said, "You must not covet." 8 But sin used this command to arouse all kinds of covetous desires within me! If there were no law, sin would not have that power. 9 At one time I lived without understanding the law. But when I learned the command not to covet, for instance, the power of sin came to life . . ."

The above principal applies to each human, whether the Law is teaching us of sin, of if it is the television. The Laws of Moses causes people to sin the same way that when a parent tells their child "Do not (fill in the blank)" and then the child immediately taunts the parent with the very act they were told not to do.

Genesis 4:7 NLT - "You will be accepted if you do what is right. But if you refuse to do what is right, then watch out! Sin is crouching at the door, eager to control you. But you must subdue it and be its master."

What Cain under the Law? (Just ideas . . . food for thought I suppose.)

Blik · Mar 10, 2021

Scripture is about the gospel, that was what it has always been about. In Genesis we find that God's reaction to the disobedience of Adam and Eve was to arrange a way to stop the death that sin gives us, and all of scripture, the entire thing, is how that plays out. When we read about the way God uses gentiles and the Hebrews, if we don't keep in mind the basic, overall theme of scripture, we can get a mistaken idea of what Hebrews and gentiles mean to God.

God want ALL humans to live, none to face death through sin. If you lose sight of this overall theme, you are simply not understanding scripture.

To read these posts, you would think God forgot His purpose as God worked with Jews and gentiles. To God, we are humans who are forgiven and saved, and those who reject His offer of salvation. God worked with the Hebrews to attain this saved state for all of us when the nations ALL rejected Him. But God's eyes remain on those who accept His forgiveness and those who reject it, we can forget the other labels put on people.

2ndTimothyGroup · Mar 10, 2021

Blik said:

I love the way you've stated this! In a nutshell, this IS the Gospel of Jesus Christ. What you've written IS the Mysterious Plan of God.

Runningman · Mar 10, 2021

FlyingDove said:

No gentiles has ever been under Mosaic law. Neither has any NT believer ever been under the Covenant made at Sinai.

Ex 11:7 But against any of the children of Israel shall not a dog move his tongue, against man or beast: that ye may know how that "the LORD doth put a difference between the Nations and Israel".
(NOTE: The LORD put a difference between all (69) other Nations & Israel/His chosen people) BTW: The same LORD later refers to the gentile/Canaanite woman as a dog. Gentiles were viewed as unclean dogs, bastards, outside of covenant seals)

Ex 19:
3 God, spoke to Moses saying, Thus shalt thou "say to the house of Jacob" "and tell the children of Israel";
(NOTE: God tells Moses, say to: the house of Jacob/children of Israel! Gentiles had/have NO PART in this law covenant)

7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the Lord commanded him.
(MY NOTE: Law of Moses was given to: The house of Jacob/children of Israel (reread vs 3)

8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the Lord hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the Lord.
(MY NOTE: When Moses gives the law to: the house of Jacob/children of Israel: They ALL AGREED, to the words the Lord had spoken)

Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
(MY NOTE: Circumcision: A blood covenant made with hands & required under Mosaic law)

Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
(MY NOTE: Gentiles referred to as the Uncircumcision (vs 11) were without God, having no covenant promises & a hopeless future)

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
(MY NOTE: But, NOW! = Post death & resurrection/new Melchizedek priesthood covenant. Believing gentiles are no longer bastards outside of covenant seals)

Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves
(MY PARSING NOTE: Gentiles were never under/had not the Mosaic law)

Council at Jerusalem
Acts 15:
1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
(MY NOTE: Jews try to place gentiles under Mosaic law)

5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
(NOTE: These Christ rejecting Pharisees claimed gentile believers needed to be circumcised & commanded to keep the law of Moses).

6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
(NOTE: Peter revisits his trip to Cornelius house (Acts 10). And how by word of mouth gentiles believed on Christ's sin payment & resurrection. Were gentiles received Christ's eternal salvation sealing baptism with His indwelling Holy Spirit)

8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
(NOTE: These gentiles heard about Christ's sin payment & resurrection. They believed: NO repentance, water baptism, circumcision, they brought no sin sacrifice to the Temple, No Mosaic law keeping etc. Thru faith in Christ's sin payment & resurrection & faith alone. Christ eternally sealed them with His indwelling Holy Spirit)

9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
(NOTE: Gentiles hearts were Purified by water? NO! Purified by the Holy Spirit via Faith)

10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
(NOTE: Peter say's neither our forefathers, nor us, could bear the yoke, of keeping the law of Moses with fidelity)

11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
(NOTE: Peter proclaims God has showed us that, ALL, are saved by grace thru faith, us/Jews & gentiles as well)

23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia.
(NOTE: The apostles send letters to all the gentile believing churches in Antioch, Syria & Cilicia.)

24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
(NOTE: The letters written & sent by Christ chosen apostles. Proclaim that gentiles, are not, nor were they ever, required to be circumcised or keep Mosaic law. Quoting: WE gave NO such commandment! )

In short:
Exodus; only Israel agrees & enters into the Mosaic law covenant on Mt Sinai.

(2) Posted Eph, Rom & Acts scripture also state gentiles were never under the Mosaic law covenant.

Romans 5:12-14
12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Everyone may feel the effects of sin, they may not be imputed with a sin if they are not under a law. It would be like holding someone responsible for breaking the laws of a country they don't even know exists.

Except it isn't a far off country incapable of enforcing its laws across borders, it's God holding sovereignty over everything that takes places within His sight and hearing in the universe.

So when Adam and Eve had one law to follow and they failed. They were punished for breaking that law and, because of breaking the law, everyone else feels the effects of their punishment.

Romans 5 is a really important chapter because it parallels Jesus to Adam and Eve:

18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

2ndTimothyGroup · Mar 11, 2021

Runningman said:

Romans 5:12-14
12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Everyone may feel the effects of sin, they may not be imputed with a sin if they are not under a law. It would be like holding someone responsible for breaking the laws of a country they don't even know exists.

Except it isn't a far off country incapable of enforcing its laws across borders, it's God holding sovereignty over everything that takes places within His sight and hearing in the universe.

So when Adam and Eve had one law to follow and they failed. They were punished for breaking that law and, because of breaking the law, everyone else feels the effects of their punishment.

Romans 5 is a really important chapter because it parallels Jesus to Adam and Eve:

18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

That is an outstanding way of tying things together. A+

ewq1938 · Mar 11, 2021

Lev 17:8 And thou shalt say unto them, Whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers which sojourn among you, that offereth a burnt offering or sacrifice,
Lev 17:9 And bringeth it not unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, to offer it unto the LORD; even that man shall be cut off from among his people.

Guojing · Mar 11, 2021

Nehemiah6 said:

That Esther verse tells you what gentiles become.

Blik · Mar 11, 2021

ewq1938 said:

Leviticus 17 does not make sense unless you finish the thought of this scripture telling what the blood symbolizes, as it symbolizes Christ's blood that is given on the altar for souls.

Lev. 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’

Scripture tells us that never has there been any forgiveness of sin except through Christ. Christ has to be the blood given on the altar if scripture is truth and scripture IS truth.

GandalfTheWhite · Mar 11, 2021

FlyingDove said:

There were people from other nations also present at Mt Sinai

GandalfTheWhite · Mar 11, 2021

FlyingDove said:

So in short, you are telling us God has double standards because He will judge Israel in the OT under a different set of rules than everybody else

that is not the God of the Bible. That is a man made god.

2ndTimothyGroup · Mar 11, 2021

GandalfTheWhite said:

Are you sure?

Romans 2:12 NIV - 12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.

Guojing · Mar 11, 2021

GandalfTheWhite said:

Gentiles were in a far worse state in the OT, as Ephesians 2:11-12 stated.

2ndTimothyGroup · Mar 11, 2021

Guojing said:

Really? The Jews cooked, ate, and hid the bodies of their children. They also sacrificed to Chemosh. The Benjamites raped a Levites concubine ALL NIGHT until she died in the morning. How could anyone be worse than that?

No gentile has ever been under Mosaic law

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