Who are the NEPHILIM in Genesis 6
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Jesus steps out of His position to take on the likeness of sinful man. He willfully limited Himself. Suffered hunger, he got tired, he was tempted Yet He was still God but limited as the man example The body of Jesus is not all present. But HE has all power.
The Trinity we must approach reverently with this understanding, we cannot fully know all there is about the GodHead and the Lord Divine nature. God is infinite, we are finite.
The Trinity we must approach reverently with this understanding, we cannot fully know all there is about the GodHead and the Lord Divine nature. God is infinite, we are finite.
Your claims are empty, as you have not provided Scripture to support them. The referenced Scripture passages don't say what you claim they say. You are injecting your own beliefs into the word of God, rather than allowing the word of God to inform your beliefs.
Once again, the Scripture says that angels in heaven do not marry. It does not say they "cannot" marry, nor that they cannot procreate, nor that they cannot engage in sex (marital relations). Further, it says nothing at all about the abilities of or restrictions on angels on earth.
Once again, the Scripture says that angels in heaven do not marry. It does not say they "cannot" marry, nor that they cannot procreate, nor that they cannot engage in sex (marital relations). Further, it says nothing at all about the abilities of or restrictions on angels on earth.
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You can make the claim they are empty yet you have willfully ignored the context of the verses in the Bible I provided where Jesus spoke about angels. You may not agree and that's fine but please, be honest,
if you did not know or see what I posted,
MATTHEW 22:23-34,
Mark 12:18-27
Luke 20:27-40
If I am injecting my own belief into the word of God LOL so are you.
"Once again, the Scripture says that angels in heaven do not marry. It does not say they "cannot" marry,".
When Jesus says they do not, you must be, you can know it is most certainly authoritative when Ever Jesus is speaking.
Your semantics of it doesn't say, therefore; it can be, is not proper Biblical exegesis. Where the Bible is silent, we are to remain silent.
You're personal issue in the comment only weakens your lack of Biblical argument.
What has been said is 1. the Book of Enoch is not the inspired word of God. 2. It was written by someone who was not even named Enoch. 3. Genesis 6 context is the sinful man which "sons of God" are speaking about. IF you put the false narrative of Angels in Genesis 6 the context is no longer the same and it makes no sense.
it is not who is trying to use a Pseudeoautogrpah(false writing) and make it the inspired word of God to create a sci-fi movie.
if you did not know or see what I posted,
MATTHEW 22:23-34,
Mark 12:18-27
Luke 20:27-40
If I am injecting my own belief into the word of God LOL so are you.
"Once again, the Scripture says that angels in heaven do not marry. It does not say they "cannot" marry,".
When Jesus says they do not, you must be, you can know it is most certainly authoritative when Ever Jesus is speaking.
Your semantics of it doesn't say, therefore; it can be, is not proper Biblical exegesis. Where the Bible is silent, we are to remain silent.
You're personal issue in the comment only weakens your lack of Biblical argument.
What has been said is 1. the Book of Enoch is not the inspired word of God. 2. It was written by someone who was not even named Enoch. 3. Genesis 6 context is the sinful man which "sons of God" are speaking about. IF you put the false narrative of Angels in Genesis 6 the context is no longer the same and it makes no sense.
it is not who is trying to use a Pseudeoautogrpah(false writing) and make it the inspired word of God to create a sci-fi movie.
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Bahaha! You say, "Please, be honest"? READ THE TEXT OF SCRIPTURE!
I read them. All three are telling the same story, in which Jesus says that the angels IN HEAVEN... DO NOT marry.
None of the three says anything about angels on earth.
None of the three says anything about the ability of angels to marry.
None of the three says anything about the ability of angels to procreate.
None of the three says anything about the ability of angels to engage in sexual relations.
Here's an illustration: I, as an unmarried adult male, DO NOT engage in sexual relations. That says NOTHING about my ABILITY to marry, have children, or engage in sexual relations.
Are you starting to understand?
Um, no, I'm not. I am pointing out, repeatedly, what Scripture ACTUALLY says, and making no further claims.
You are claiming that Jesus said something that He did not say. He did not say that angels cannot marry; period! There is a large distinction between "do not" and "cannot". The first is indicative; the second is restrictive. Further, you are completely ignoring the words, "in heaven". In those three passages, Jesus said NOTHING AT ALL about angels on earth.
I'm not the one making an argument from silence; you are! My argument is absolutely biblical, as I am pointing out what Scripture DOES and DOES NOT say. You are making claims and pointing to three passages (which I read) and making claims that are NOT addressed in those passages.
Enoch is completely irrelevant to my point. By the way, the word is "pseudepigrapha".
I read them. All three are telling the same story, in which Jesus says that the angels IN HEAVEN... DO NOT marry.
None of the three says anything about angels on earth.
None of the three says anything about the ability of angels to marry.
None of the three says anything about the ability of angels to procreate.
None of the three says anything about the ability of angels to engage in sexual relations.
Here's an illustration: I, as an unmarried adult male, DO NOT engage in sexual relations. That says NOTHING about my ABILITY to marry, have children, or engage in sexual relations.
Are you starting to understand?
Um, no, I'm not. I am pointing out, repeatedly, what Scripture ACTUALLY says, and making no further claims.
You are claiming that Jesus said something that He did not say. He did not say that angels cannot marry; period! There is a large distinction between "do not" and "cannot". The first is indicative; the second is restrictive. Further, you are completely ignoring the words, "in heaven". In those three passages, Jesus said NOTHING AT ALL about angels on earth.
I'm not the one making an argument from silence; you are! My argument is absolutely biblical, as I am pointing out what Scripture DOES and DOES NOT say. You are making claims and pointing to three passages (which I read) and making claims that are NOT addressed in those passages.
Enoch is completely irrelevant to my point. By the way, the word is "pseudepigrapha".
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If you click on the "Diakonos said" link at the beginning of each of my comments (or replies to my comments), it will take you back through this conversation thread, one comment at a time. You are welcome to look at the Scripture I have already posted. I recommend reading through my comments in order.
If you choose to NOT post what you are referring to....then it does not seem to me that I should have to look through all that you have said to try and determine what you are talking about.
So then......NO.
Again, if you want to simply post what you were talking about then YES I would be more than happy to respond.
So then......NO.
Again, if you want to simply post what you were talking about then YES I would be more than happy to respond.
I have NO clue where you got your information from. I suspect that it came from a Stephen KIng novel but one thing is for sure......
it did NOT come from the Bible!!!
Angels are essentially “ministering spirits ” (Hebrews 1:14) and do not have physical bodies like humans. Jesus declared that “a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have” (Luke 24:37-39).
The Bible does, however, make it clear that angels can only be in one place at a time. They must have some localized presence and the Bible clearly says that angels can NOT have sex and reproduce.
it did NOT come from the Bible!!!
Angels are essentially “ministering spirits ” (Hebrews 1:14) and do not have physical bodies like humans. Jesus declared that “a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have” (Luke 24:37-39).
The Bible does, however, make it clear that angels can only be in one place at a time. They must have some localized presence and the Bible clearly says that angels can NOT have sex and reproduce.
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What about those who have 'entertained' angels unawares? Is that because they are invisible?
Nah. I don't think so. I have my own 'ministering spirit' story and they were not invisible. Be glad to relate it, but really finding the denials obnoxious and not biblical, but rather interpretive. Nothing to do with sex so don't even go there
Nah. I don't think so. I have my own 'ministering spirit' story and they were not invisible. Be glad to relate it, but really finding the denials obnoxious and not biblical, but rather interpretive. Nothing to do with sex so don't even go there
I have likely already answered every, if not most, questions you have for me concerning this subject. I'm not going to re-argue my points in the same thread.
But here is a summary:
-Certain angels sinned
-Peter clarifies that they sinned during the time of Noah
-Jude described their sin as comparable to the sins on Sodom and Gomorrah ("leaving their proper abode...fornication"
-These are not the angels that Jesus referred to (Matt 22:30, Luke 12:25); Jesus spoke of the angels in heaven, not the fallen angels.
-Angels have been shown throughout the Scriptures to be able to materialize; they are not merely spiritual beings.
-(new) Not only are there very solid evidence for the angle view of Genesis 6:1-4, but there are dozens of cogent Biblical refutations for the Sethite view (For example, national and racial distinctions were not distinguished until the subsequent intervention of God in Genesis 11). "Where there is no law, there is no violation" (Rom 4). Since God didn't separate the nations based on lineage until Genesis 11, it was not sinful for them to marry other women. So the "sin" referred to by Peter cannot refer to human tribes marrying other human tribes prior to Genesis 11.
For details and references, feel free to review what I have already posted
But here is a summary:
-Certain angels sinned
-Peter clarifies that they sinned during the time of Noah
-Jude described their sin as comparable to the sins on Sodom and Gomorrah ("leaving their proper abode...fornication"
-These are not the angels that Jesus referred to (Matt 22:30, Luke 12:25); Jesus spoke of the angels in heaven, not the fallen angels.
-Angels have been shown throughout the Scriptures to be able to materialize; they are not merely spiritual beings.
-(new) Not only are there very solid evidence for the angle view of Genesis 6:1-4, but there are dozens of cogent Biblical refutations for the Sethite view (For example, national and racial distinctions were not distinguished until the subsequent intervention of God in Genesis 11). "Where there is no law, there is no violation" (Rom 4). Since God didn't separate the nations based on lineage until Genesis 11, it was not sinful for them to marry other women. So the "sin" referred to by Peter cannot refer to human tribes marrying other human tribes prior to Genesis 11.
For details and references, feel free to review what I have already posted
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Then you know it is false. thank you for the lesson in spelling. And your argument is not biblical because you have not proven Genesis 6 is angels with earthly women. You have assumed it. Perter doesn't say that nor Does Jude. You don't want to talk about the false writing of Enoch anymore yet you did use it to try and make your unbiblical argument using it as others did. Bahaha right back at you. LOL.
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