I Don't Want Kids, Sue Me

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Jullianna

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Not everyone is cut out to be a parent. It's good to know and admit it if you aren't. It's a TOUGH job.

As Zero said, I have seen a lot of guys change their minds about wanting children down the road, but...not always. And, as others have said, it's an issue to make perfectly clear when entering into a serious relationship. A lot of women will marry a guy thinking he will change his mind and when that doesn't happen, it's a very sad situation. It's good that you are so upfront about it.

Kids are indeed a lot to handle, but the blessing that they are makes it so worth it all. :)
 
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thimsrebma

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I applaude you for being honest and admitting that you probably wouldnt be a goood parent. But at the same time I agree with Nuke that its how you said it that makes it seem so harsh.

hassle; dissapointments; What is the point of having kids?

Those are your words that make you sound heartless.

The word hassle makes it sound like you are so important and busy that you cant possibly be bothered with caring for a gift from God.

Disappointment makes you seem like a perfectionist that thinks others will never live up to the standards you have set for them.

What is the point of having kids? I don't really understand this question. Are you suggesting that we all stop having children? What do you think God thinks of that?
 
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SubCruceSalus

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hmm well.. If your dad had the same attitude you have about having children you wouldn't have been born. The way you see children will determine the opinion you have about having one. Having children is the natural cycle of life, and evil in this world is something we can't really escape. In raising a child there will be a lot of negative things (such as disappointments, waking up late at night, pain, suffering, correction, discipline and many other things) but children are a blessing in many many ways regardless. They are not awful monsters that are up to destroying everything in their path. They are a great example of the miracles and love of God. The maturity level and emotional, psychological and spiritual stance of the couple is clearly exposed in the discipline they give their children. It is when a couple raises their children that they truly see themselves for what they really are and grow even more mature as human beings. Once you become a parent and have a genuine love for your child you will understand many things about your own life. But most important of all, this speaks of the love of God. That though in creating us, in all His wisdom and knowledge He knew that we could disappoint,disobey,rebel, and break His heart He still loved us so much that He gave Himself for us on the cross. He disciplines us in love and in truth because He knows what is best for us and has plans for good for our lives.


I'm not God and wouldn't want to be; human beings are inarguably more trouble than they're worth, God loves us anyway. I don't share the same kind of feeling towards having a kid, and honestly I would have preferred that my dad had the same attitude towards children. I am not someone who is a big fan of life, it's mostly the most horrendous thing one could imagine, therefore I would not put anyone else through the same thing.
 
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SubCruceSalus

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I applaude you for being honest and admitting that you probably wouldnt be a goood parent. But at the same time I agree with Nuke that its how you said it that makes it seem so harsh.

hassle; dissapointments; What is the point of having kids?

Those are your words that make you sound heartless.

The word hassle makes it sound like you are so important and busy that you cant possibly be bothered with caring for a gift from God.

Disappointment makes you seem like a perfectionist that thinks others will never live up to the standards you have set for them.

What is the point of having kids? I don't really understand this question. Are you suggesting that we all stop having children? What do you think God thinks of that?

To me a hassle is exactly what they would be, so on that point we would be of different opinions. Disappointment is exactly that, I know I've been a disappointment to my parents on numerous occasions, as has everyone else that's ever lived, I don't want that sort of disappointment. Concerning my question as to what the point of having kids was, you seemed to not have read further; I expounded on the point.
 
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SubCruceSalus

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Good grief!! You would spike your siblings childrens drinks with caffiene pills as well as giving them red bull ???
Not only do you not want children, but you ruin the health of others children for a laugh? You have the right to not want children, but you do not have the right to entertain ideas of ruining what is considered a joy to others and undermining their good will for their children.

I agree with you, that is sadistic


The idea was to humorously give the kiddos something that would make them hyper, it was a joke and nothing more. Giving a kid a red bull is hardly ruining their health. It wouldn't be undermining anyone's 'joy', I'm not entirely sure how that even figures in.
 
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thimsrebma

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To me a hassle is exactly what they would be, so on that point we would be of different opinions. Disappointment is exactly that, I know I've been a disappointment to my parents on numerous occasions, as has everyone else that's ever lived, I don't want that sort of disappointment. Concerning my question as to what the point of having kids was, you seemed to not have read further; I expounded on the point.
I actually did read the whole thing but you only gave one senario as if to say this isnt a good reason. And i agree, the houselplant or puppy syndrome is not a good reason. Thats why I want you to answer your own question. What would be the point, in other words what would be some good reasons to have children?
 
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SubCruceSalus

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I actually did read the whole thing but you only gave one senario as if to say this isnt a good reason. And i agree, the houselplant or puppy syndrome is not a good reason. Thats why I want you to answer your own question. What would be the point, in other words what would be some good reasons to have children?
I already have answered: there isn't one, not in my opinion. Some have said in this thread that the "be fruitful and multiply" mandate still stands, I disagree. That was given at the beginning and was also followed by "and fill the earth." Mankind's fairly well filled the earth, and in some areas we've filled it far too much.
 
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kiwi_OT

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To me a hassle is exactly what they would be, so on that point we would be of different opinions. Disappointment is exactly that, I know I've been a disappointment to my parents on numerous occasions, as has everyone else that's ever lived, I don't want that sort of disappointment. Concerning my question as to what the point of having kids was, you seemed to not have read further; I expounded on the point.
Of course you were a disappointment to your parents, we're sinful selfish humans. But Im sure they experienced joy with you as well.
I would think it a very sad case for you, if your mother while pregnant with you, looked down on her belly with you growing inside and thought

"YOU are SUCH a hassle. There is no POINT in your creation. YOU are a disappointment. YOU are going to make me bankrupt."

Those are your words, and I find it incredible that you would use them to describe the basis of having children because really in fact you are describing yourself as you once were - a baby/child. If that is your philosophy on children then you can't make yourself the exception.
I feel sorry for you.

We were all children once. Maybe you should re evaluate your walk with Jesus. Jesus was once a baby. You think there was no point to him being born because the world was so bad? You dont think his teenage mom and blue collar working step dad had money issues? What the hell do you do when Christmas rolls around and everyone celebrates the birth of a child? Do you stand aside and think, my life is so busy and special. He is just a baby. I dont have time for HIM. He's gonna die the most sadistic cruel death, I shouldnt even bother...

If you dont want to experience disappointment - go live in a cave as a hermit.
 
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SubCruceSalus

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Of course you were a disappointment to your parents, we're sinful selfish humans. But Im sure they experienced joy with you as well.
I would think it a very sad case for you, if your mother while pregnant with you, looked down on her belly with you growing inside and thought

"YOU are SUCH a hassle. There is no POINT in your creation. YOU are a disappointment. YOU are going to make me bankrupt."

Those are your words, and I find it incredible that you would use them to describe the basis of having children because really in fact you are describing yourself as you once were - a baby/child. If that is your philosophy on children then you can't make yourself the exception.
I feel sorry for you.

We were all children once. Maybe you should re evaluate your walk with Jesus. Jesus was once a baby. You think there was no point to him being born because the world was so bad? You dont think his teenage mom and blue collar working step dad had money issues? What the hell do you do when Christmas rolls around and everyone celebrates the birth of a child? Do you stand aside and think, my life is so busy and special. He is just a baby. I dont have time for HIM. He's gonna die the most sadistic cruel death, I shouldnt even bother...

If you dont want to experience disappointment - go live in a cave as a hermit.



This post is laughable at best, so I'll leave it at this: I started this thread in the hopes of getting opinions on the matter, which I have. It is more than clear that we disagree, however I will say this, and that is your telling me I should perhaps "re-evaluate my walk with Christ" merely because I have no desire to have children is juvenile in the extreme. You have, in effect, suggested that the Apostle Paul should have done the same. First Corinthians, chapter 7, Paul talks about how that he wishes all men could be celibate like himself; the man had no desire to have children.
 
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He just wants to enjoy life without kids, and there's really nothing wrong with that. I used to not want to be married, let alone have kids. Its not good for the continuation of the human race of course, but its not a sin to not want kids either, so lets try to keep the heat off in here. :)
 
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Hey you're not alone, I don't want them either lol

The only reason I would ever have and raise human larva is to see how they'd turn out.
 

seoulsearch

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Hi Sub,

I completely agree that while the Bible says children are a blessing from the Lord, not everyone is called or meant to have them (of course, Paul is an excellent example... along with Anna, who served in the temple and was there to welcome Jesus and his parents, etc.)

I personally am from the "I would have liked to have had kids, but believe the window is closing and so I need to accept God's decision." Throughout the years, I've wavered back and forth in my opinions... But this seems to be what I'm headed for.

Not to make this too personal, but it sounds like you've had some hard times, in that you state that you don't like life. Have you come to this decision because of some heartbreaking situations within your own family? Maybe because of how you or others you saw around you were mistreated or neglected? If so, I just wanted to say I'm sorry--you're definitely not alone in this.

That's another thing I've considered--I've had problems with depression/suicidal thoughts/tendencies/cutting/symptoms of bipolar disorder and, being adopted, I have no records or family history. Well-meaning people have said all my life that it's due to things such as lack of faith or whatever... but I think most people now know that medical history and biology have a strong influence. I've been in prayer lines in which some people who have prayed for me believed some of my issues were due to family history.

And you are right, I would never want to knowingly pass this down to a child if I were given a choice. I know people say, "Well, you have to trust God," but I've also taken into consideration that this might also might be one of the reasons why God seems to be saying that I'm not meant to have kids.

Best wishes to you and God bless.
 
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SubCruceSalus

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Hi Sub,

I completely agree that while the Bible says children are a blessing from the Lord, not everyone is called or meant to have them (of course, Paul is an excellent example... along with Anna, who served in the temple and was there to welcome Jesus and his parents, etc.)

I personally am from the "I would have liked to have had kids, but believe the window is closing and so I need to accept God's decision." Throughout the years, I've wavered back and forth in my opinions... But this seems to be what I'm headed for.

Not to make this too personal, but it sounds like you've had some hard times, in that you state that you don't like life. Have you come to this decision because of some heartbreaking situations within your own family? Maybe because of how you or others you saw around you were mistreated or neglected? If so, I just wanted to say I'm sorry--you're definitely not alone in this.

That's another thing I've considered--I've had problems with depression/suicidal thoughts/tendencies/cutting/symptoms of bipolar disorder and, being adopted, I have no records or family history. Well-meaning people have said all my life that it's due to things such as lack of faith or whatever... but I think most people now know that medical history and biology have a strong influence. I've been in prayer lines in which some people who have prayed for me believed some of my issues were due to family history.

And you are right, I would never want to knowingly pass this down to a child if I were given a choice. I know people say, "Well, you have to trust God," but I've also taken into consideration that this might also might be one of the reasons why God seems to be saying that I'm not meant to have kids.

Best wishes to you and God bless.


You're fairly observant; yes, I have had some very difficult times in both family life and my personal life, and I know that everyone goes through such things, and it is precisely one of the main reasons I have no desire to make anyone else go through life. I know that no one lives that's not supposed to live, and God may intend for me to have kids someday, and if he does then there's not much I can do to avoid it. However I will not consider them blessings by any stretch, in fact I will feel sorry that God had intended for them to live at all. I would like to to further state that I know that there is more than this life to our existence, that there is something after we die, and that something is either Heaven or Hell, depending on where God has appointed us to. Considering that I might bring into the world a human being that was not chosen of God and was consigned to hell already is too much for me to want any children. I know that that decision is totally up to God, but I will do everything in my power to keep from having kids.
 

seoulsearch

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I've known many people who have gone through terrible things. Some people seem to develop a philosophy of, "I'm not going to be like so-and-so, I'm going to do so much better with my own kids and family someday," and some take on the same train of thought you are expressing: "I would NEVER wish this on anyone else... I would rather be alone than have to live with the feeling of putting this kind of life on another person, let alone a child I created."

I can certainly understand and I'm sure God does as well. I hope you don't box yourself in too much (isolate yourself from people who would like to get to know you and be part of your support system.) I say this because I tend to isolate myself too much as well. Do you ever tell God about how angry and upset you are about what you've been through? I know we can vent to other people but... this is just me, I tell God everything, most especially the bad, because He's the only one who can do something about it (and change me so that I'm not carrying it around anymore.)

Some of us do understand! You take care of yourself and feel free to message me if you'd like to talk.
 
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kiwi_OT

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This post is laughable at best, so I'll leave it at this: I started this thread in the hopes of getting opinions on the matter, which I have. It is more than clear that we disagree, however I will say this, and that is your telling me I should perhaps "re-evaluate my walk with Christ" merely because I have no desire to have children is juvenile in the extreme. You have, in effect, suggested that the Apostle Paul should have done the same. First Corinthians, chapter 7, Paul talks about how that he wishes all men could be celibate like himself; the man had no desire to have children.
No....

Im not saying your decision not to have children is juvenile, not at all. And I thoroughly respect those who believe they have the gift of singleness as called by God.

Im saying your attitude to children is juvenile.

Secondly, look at the context that Paul was in. Christians were being used as human torches and more in the colliseum, the gospel was being taken into Europe for the first time in human history. Given the task and the violent political atmosphere at the time, of course being a husband and father was a scary thing to do when your chance of being matyred was very high. Paul was recommending singlehood during that time because of those reasons. And Paul didnt wish ALL men to be single, he wasnt stupid, he knew where babies came from and if you've got no husbands then you've got no children, and if you've got no chrildren to raise in the Lord what would happen when all the male missionaries died huh?

Look at 1 Timothy 3:4 and tell me, what did Paul tell Timothy was one of the requirements for elder? Having children is the most natual and biblical way of preparing a man for being a church leader. Paul said, if a man couldnt even raise his children properly, then what right did they have to be in leadership?

Lastly, no where have you described yourself as being called or having the gift of singlehood. You said so yourself that you want to find a woman who agrees with you on this point. What christian woman would agree with your attitude to children? All you've harped on about is children ruining your lifestyle, money, emotions.

Take Iraasuup,
I have so much respect for her as a woman and I thoroughly accept and understand what she has had to go through to get to where she is with her husband right now concerning children. She is a grown woman with a husband of her own. But in every post Ive seen her write Ive NEVER seen her equal her dicision not to have children as the same as your attitude to them. Ive never heard her label children in any way that you have.

You are a single 21 year old male. She is a grown married woman, there is no comparison.

And I suggested you re evaluate your walk with Jesus because I wonder how you can ignore what God thinks of children. We are called to be more and more like Christ. Jesus was single and he adored children. The whole legacy of Jesus Christ is based on God giving a faithful man called Abraham what? Not free popcorn. Lots of camels? No. Then what?

A baby.

What is the one name that God allows us to call him above all others?
Father.
How does God view us?
As children.
Who are we supposed to be like in order to get into heaven?
Children.
Children are a blessing from whom??
God

"People were bringing little children to Jesus for him to place his hands on them, but the disciples rebuked them. When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said to them, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.” And he took the children in his arms, placed his hands on them and blessed them." Mark 10:13-16.



What is the point of bringing children world you say?
So that they too can recieve the kingdowm of Jesus and love him as he loved them
 
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SubCruceSalus

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You're totally taking scripture out of it's context, and as for brutal persecution of the church, it still happens today in countries across the globe, so that's a poor argument. Also I was saying that your stating that I should re-evaluate my walk with Christ was juvenile on your part, not mine. The passage from 1st Timothy you mentioned was assuming that a man seeking to be an elder would have kids, it never says anything like, "and he who hath no children, him shalt thou not appoint to the position of elder, for he hath no children"; having children was NOT requirement and you would be in error to say such. Children are a "blessing" to those that have them, I won't have any if I can keep from it; I do not view them as blessings in any regard. God gave Abraham children because it was His will to do so, not because of anything Abraham did. It is nothing that we do that gets us into Heaven, so becoming like children in order to do so gets us no where (Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.")
I do not take anyone else's example on the matter into consideration; if they decide to have kids, that's their problem, if they're happy with having kids, so be it. So I'll close with this by answering my own previously proffered question: what is the point of having kids? There isn't a "point" so much as it being God's will that whoever has kids, has kids. I sincerely hope that God won't burden me with any.
 
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FireWire

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You're actually being heartless in your response kiwi_OT and there seems to be some anger. I thought the idea was to respond in love? You always tell somebody to re evaluate your walk with Jesus based on one thing (in this paraticualr case) that you don't agree with somebodies view on the subject?

Indeed women are very harsh in this country (which is far from Godzone).
 
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Ugly

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Ok, the lawsuit papers should be on their way. haha. No, i can relate as well, i don't really care to have kids anymore. & i understand many of the reasons you cite. i've never been told i'm cold or anything of the sort for saying i don't want kids, though. i think perhaps you're getting that response because you don't just have a 'i'd rather not have kids' attitude but you have almost a vehemence about it. you give off the impression that child raising is a horrible thing with no redeeming value & that children are nothing more than a pain until they become adults & let you down. I don't know if thats how you really feel or not, but that was the tone of your original post. And that may be why you get the reaction you do.
 
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NodMyHeadLikeYeah

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I'd like to sue you, im looking into it.

How much money do you think your worth
 
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Hethr

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I do not want kids, I want dogs. Funny, God made me barren so that works out well haha.