Yes I agree, the 10 horns/kings had received (no kingdom as yet) in https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/17-12.htm peterism has always had this error among others but without him stating his manner of thought on this you wont be able to help.
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Yes I agree, the 10 horns/kings had received (no kingdom as yet) in https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/17-12.htm peterism has always had this error among others but without him stating his manner of thought on this you wont be able to help.
I agree, The Beast is (Future), and the 10 horns/kings that receive power (Quickly) in one hour with The Beast are (Future)
Revelation 17:12KJV
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Revelation 17:12KJV
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
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It's my opinion you cant run through a book as the teacher, without a hand raised and questions asked and answered.
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I try to offer enough time between posts for people to ask questions.
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You will closely note, your tune has changed as presented in post #2 & #8 below, I wont be interested in such a study, it's not like there is 20 participants, it's only a couple, in love
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I try to offer enough time between posts for people to ask questions.
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I try to offer enough time between posts for people to ask questions.
lol, it just seems like yesterday when Kenisyes and you were discussing things(back in the cowboy days.lol) it's more productive to just have a discussion rather than a ring of honor wrestling match, that said though some have a few questions but you realize I have a few hundred or so right?
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Nothing has changed. I meant what I said. The inherent problem is that when I have to respond to a half dozen questions from one individual on one post that would require a great deal of time to lay the necessary background to be able to answer the question, this becomes time consuming and ultimately, we are never able to finish the study. Been there and done that.
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hermit I been around a while, in the good book for 40+ years, there are key points in the book of Daniel, namely who is (The Little Horn) and where he fits in the scheme of things
The 70 weeks, where do they fit, the rest is peripheral.
The majority of those in bible forums aren't fresh turnips, fallen off the wagon, we already have studied the points, and desire to converse on the key points
In Love
The 70 weeks, where do they fit, the rest is peripheral.
The majority of those in bible forums aren't fresh turnips, fallen off the wagon, we already have studied the points, and desire to converse on the key points
In Love
Dan 7:1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters.
Dan 7:2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
Dan 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
Daniel had a dream and saw 4 beasts, kingdoms, that would come one after the other.
They were different than each other which is the 4 ways of people, human religion, physically cruel in war, human wisdom, and pushing for territory, dominion.
Even though all 4 kingdoms went by the 4 ways there was 1 of those ways that was their chief mode of operation where the other 3 were in a minor role whatever that ratio was.
Dan 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.
The first is Babylon which represents human religion, the occult.
It had eagle's wings because king Nebuchadnezzar acknowledged the God of Israel as the greatest God of all the gods and proclaimed that throughout his kingdom.
His son took the throne and knew what his father believed but took the vessels out of the temple of the LORD and drank out of them praising false gods so God took the kingdom from them and gave it to the Medes and Persians.
The eagle's wings were plucked for they lost the revelation of God and made stand upon the feet as a man which means that Babylon would be known as the kingdom of man.
Dan 7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.
The second is Medo-Persia and represents physical cruelty in war.
It raised itself up on one side for the Persian influence was greater in that union.
It had 3 ribs in the mouth of it which is probably 3 nations they conquered, Lydia, Babylon, Egypt.
Dan 7:6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
The third is Greece and represents human wisdom.
The four wings of a fowl might mean the kingdom split in to 4 parts with a general ruling each section, or it might mean they flew above the common nation in higher mathematics, science, philosophy, and medicine.
The beast had 4 heads which is the kingdom split in to 4 sections and a general ruled each section.
Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
The fourth is the Roman Empire which represents pushing for territory, dominion.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
The 10 horns is the world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section which is a future kingdom that covers the whole earth.
Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
The little horn is the antichrist, New Age Christ.
3 horns, sections, was plucked up by the roots which is Islam against the world which is the 6th trumpet of Revelation which describes nuclear weapons which happens during the first three and one half years of a 7 years period.
After that war the world turns to the New Age Christ for the solution to have peace on earth and he rules for the last three and one half years.
Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
The Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus defeats the world.
The other 3 beasts had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time, which means they will never have physical dominion again but their ways are still on earth.
All 4 kingdoms show up at the beast kingdom for they have not fallen yet because their ways are still on earth.
Dan 2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
Dan 2:35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
The statue of a man is the same 4 kingdoms but represented as metals and all 4 kingdoms do not fall until Jesus hits the feet of the statue with the 10 toes, which is the same as the 10 horns.
The Roman Empire, Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece have not fallen yet for their ways are still on earth and that is why they all show up at the beast kingdom.
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
The 7 heads is the last 7 kingdoms, and the 10 horns come from the Roman Empire who has the physical dominion.
The beast was like a Leopard, Greece, feet of a Bear, Medo-Persia, mouth of a Lion, Babylon.
This is the kingdom of man in it's entirety for all 4 kingdoms chief mode of operation is at the beast kingdom with no minor mode of operation which is a kingdom that has never been on earth before.
There is no input from God for they believe in no personal God but believe they are still evolving to be spiritual honoring the God of forces, or the power of nature as their high power, the evolutionary process, new age movement.
Only going by their own religion, being physically cruel in war to take away all people who oppose them, only going by their own wisdom, and world domination.
Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
In chapter 12 the crowns are on the heads which is Satan in the spiritual realm deceiving people by the last 7 kingdoms.
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
In chapter 13 the crowns are on the horns which is Satan in the physical realm deceiving people by the antichrist, New Age Christ.
Continued,
Dan 7:2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
Dan 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
Daniel had a dream and saw 4 beasts, kingdoms, that would come one after the other.
They were different than each other which is the 4 ways of people, human religion, physically cruel in war, human wisdom, and pushing for territory, dominion.
Even though all 4 kingdoms went by the 4 ways there was 1 of those ways that was their chief mode of operation where the other 3 were in a minor role whatever that ratio was.
Dan 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.
The first is Babylon which represents human religion, the occult.
It had eagle's wings because king Nebuchadnezzar acknowledged the God of Israel as the greatest God of all the gods and proclaimed that throughout his kingdom.
His son took the throne and knew what his father believed but took the vessels out of the temple of the LORD and drank out of them praising false gods so God took the kingdom from them and gave it to the Medes and Persians.
The eagle's wings were plucked for they lost the revelation of God and made stand upon the feet as a man which means that Babylon would be known as the kingdom of man.
Dan 7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.
The second is Medo-Persia and represents physical cruelty in war.
It raised itself up on one side for the Persian influence was greater in that union.
It had 3 ribs in the mouth of it which is probably 3 nations they conquered, Lydia, Babylon, Egypt.
Dan 7:6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
The third is Greece and represents human wisdom.
The four wings of a fowl might mean the kingdom split in to 4 parts with a general ruling each section, or it might mean they flew above the common nation in higher mathematics, science, philosophy, and medicine.
The beast had 4 heads which is the kingdom split in to 4 sections and a general ruled each section.
Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
The fourth is the Roman Empire which represents pushing for territory, dominion.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
The 10 horns is the world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section which is a future kingdom that covers the whole earth.
Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
The little horn is the antichrist, New Age Christ.
3 horns, sections, was plucked up by the roots which is Islam against the world which is the 6th trumpet of Revelation which describes nuclear weapons which happens during the first three and one half years of a 7 years period.
After that war the world turns to the New Age Christ for the solution to have peace on earth and he rules for the last three and one half years.
Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
The Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus defeats the world.
The other 3 beasts had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time, which means they will never have physical dominion again but their ways are still on earth.
All 4 kingdoms show up at the beast kingdom for they have not fallen yet because their ways are still on earth.
Dan 2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
Dan 2:35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
The statue of a man is the same 4 kingdoms but represented as metals and all 4 kingdoms do not fall until Jesus hits the feet of the statue with the 10 toes, which is the same as the 10 horns.
The Roman Empire, Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece have not fallen yet for their ways are still on earth and that is why they all show up at the beast kingdom.
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
The 7 heads is the last 7 kingdoms, and the 10 horns come from the Roman Empire who has the physical dominion.
The beast was like a Leopard, Greece, feet of a Bear, Medo-Persia, mouth of a Lion, Babylon.
This is the kingdom of man in it's entirety for all 4 kingdoms chief mode of operation is at the beast kingdom with no minor mode of operation which is a kingdom that has never been on earth before.
There is no input from God for they believe in no personal God but believe they are still evolving to be spiritual honoring the God of forces, or the power of nature as their high power, the evolutionary process, new age movement.
Only going by their own religion, being physically cruel in war to take away all people who oppose them, only going by their own wisdom, and world domination.
Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
In chapter 12 the crowns are on the heads which is Satan in the spiritual realm deceiving people by the last 7 kingdoms.
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
In chapter 13 the crowns are on the horns which is Satan in the physical realm deceiving people by the antichrist, New Age Christ.
Continued,
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Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
There are 7 kings, kingdoms.
5 are fallen, 1. Egypt 2.Assyria 3.Babylon 4. Medo-Persia 5.Greece.
One is at the time John wrote Revelation, 6. Roman Empire.
One is not come yet, and when he comes, he must continue a short space, 7. The 10 horn kingdom, the world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section which operates for three and one half years.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
8. The beast, antichrist, New Age Christ, and is of the last 7 kingdoms because the devil influenced those 7 kingdoms.
Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
The 10 horns are 10 kings which are leaders ruling a section of the world split in to 10 parts.
They receive power as kings with the beast, and they shall give their power and strength unto the beast which is how the New Age Christ rules the world.
Contrary to what some people say about the 10 kings that they are Caesars, or rulers that came one after another, or what ever they say as them being separate coming one after the other it is not true.
The 10 horns, 10 kings, all rule at the same time because they all give their power and strength all together at the same time.
All 10 kings give their power and strength to the beast at the same time so they are all ruling at the same time and not coming one after the other.
Which is the world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section that are ruling all at the same time for the first three and one half years.
Then they give their dominion to the beast and he gets control of the world and rules for the last three and one half years.
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
The 10 horn kingdom is the 7th kingdom, 7th head, which failed at obtaining peace during the first three and one half years for the 6th trumpet caused one third of the world to perish and other problems they could not handle, and the world lost hope for peace on earth, and they were in despair.
But the beast, New Age Christ, gave them hope for peace and that they could overcome and prosper and the world regained hope and confidence and the deadly wound was healed.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
The beast kingdom is referred to as Babylon because the beast kingdom represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man, but this is Babylon in spirit for Babylon will never have physical dominion again, but the Roman Empire has the physical dominion.
And this did not occur in the 1st century but is in the future.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
There are 7 kings, kingdoms.
5 are fallen, 1. Egypt 2.Assyria 3.Babylon 4. Medo-Persia 5.Greece.
One is at the time John wrote Revelation, 6. Roman Empire.
One is not come yet, and when he comes, he must continue a short space, 7. The 10 horn kingdom, the world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section which operates for three and one half years.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
8. The beast, antichrist, New Age Christ, and is of the last 7 kingdoms because the devil influenced those 7 kingdoms.
Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
The 10 horns are 10 kings which are leaders ruling a section of the world split in to 10 parts.
They receive power as kings with the beast, and they shall give their power and strength unto the beast which is how the New Age Christ rules the world.
Contrary to what some people say about the 10 kings that they are Caesars, or rulers that came one after another, or what ever they say as them being separate coming one after the other it is not true.
The 10 horns, 10 kings, all rule at the same time because they all give their power and strength all together at the same time.
All 10 kings give their power and strength to the beast at the same time so they are all ruling at the same time and not coming one after the other.
Which is the world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section that are ruling all at the same time for the first three and one half years.
Then they give their dominion to the beast and he gets control of the world and rules for the last three and one half years.
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
The 10 horn kingdom is the 7th kingdom, 7th head, which failed at obtaining peace during the first three and one half years for the 6th trumpet caused one third of the world to perish and other problems they could not handle, and the world lost hope for peace on earth, and they were in despair.
But the beast, New Age Christ, gave them hope for peace and that they could overcome and prosper and the world regained hope and confidence and the deadly wound was healed.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
The beast kingdom is referred to as Babylon because the beast kingdom represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man, but this is Babylon in spirit for Babylon will never have physical dominion again, but the Roman Empire has the physical dominion.
And this did not occur in the 1st century but is in the future.