Sabbath

[pittsburghjoe]

This is a man-made stipulation. This is not from God.
If your conscience steers you to keep the Sabbath then so be it I will not judge you. But when you try to force your weak faith on my strong faith it is you who are in error.
Read Romans 14.

You are going to be blindsided with the mark of the beast.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

This is a man-made stipulation. This is not from God.
If your conscience steers you to keep the Sabbath then so be it I will not judge you. But when you try to force your weak faith on my strong faith it is you who are in error.
Read Romans 14.

I very much doubt there is going to be anything physical for your hand or forehead. It's all about whose side you are on. Your "right hand" means your works ..who you are working for basically. Your forehead is you mind.

Sunday Law enforcement.

There will be people that agree with the Sunday Law ..that's the forehead. The people that don't agree with it, but will cooperate with it ..that's the right hand.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

You are going to be blindsided with the mark of the beast.

I have been sealed with the promised Holy Spirit who is my guarantee of the promise of the blessed inheritance until we acquire possession of it. Ephesians 1.

I don't have to fear the mark of the beast meaning my salvation is not contingent on the works of correctly identifying the mark of the beast, and then keeping myself clean of the mark of the beast.

What you are preaching is salvation from works. You preach that one must be successful in keeping themselves pure from the mark of the beast or else loose your salvation.

What I preach is that I don't have to correctly identify and keep myself pure of the mark of the beast to keep my salvation. I keep my salvation on resting and believing in the work and words of our God and Savior: Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

I very much doubt there is going to be anything physical for your hand or forehead. It's all about whose side you are on. Your "right hand" means your works ..who you are working for basically. Your forehead is you mind.

Sunday Law enforcement.

There will be people that agree with the Sunday Law ..that's the forehead. The people that don't agree with it, but will cooperate with it ..that's the right hand.

This thread is about the Sabbath and you have now twisted it into baseless speculation on the Mark of the Beast. Did you even read Romans 14?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

I have been sealed with the promised Holy Spirit who is my guarantee of the promise of the blessed inheritance until we acquire possession of it. Ephesians 1.

I don't have to fear the mark of the beast meaning my salvation is not contingent on the works of correctly identifying the mark of the beast, and then keeping myself clean of the mark of the beast.

What you are preaching is salvation from works. You preach that one must be successful in keeping themselves pure from the mark of the beast or else loose your salvation.

What I preach is that I don't have to correctly identify and keep myself pure of the mark of the beast to keep my salvation. I keep my salvation on resting and believing in the work and words of our God and Savior: Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

The end isn't going to be unbeliever vs believer. Something is going to happen where everyone is aware there is a God. It is going to be about being fully with God or only partially with God.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

The end isn't going to be unbeliever vs believer. Something is going to happen where everyone is aware there is a God. It is going to be about being fully with God or only partially with God.

This is rubbish and off topic. Read Romans 14 and pray on it.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Just so it's understood that scripture doesn't identify the Lord's Day as the first day of the week and is silent with regard to anyone celebrating the first day of the week in honor of the resurrection.

If you are unable to put 2 and 2 together, that is not the fault of Scripture.

 

[Nehemiah6]

In what world is it ok to modify the Ten Commandments? Look at the root of your excuse, "early Christians did it" ..how does that make it okay???

No one "modified" the Ten Commandments. Everything applicable to the 6th day is applicable to the 7th. And Christians have observed the first day of the week from the time of the apostles. At the same time we have been instructed that the sabbaths were shadows, and Christ is the reality. That is how it makes it "okay".

 

[pittsburghjoe]

This thread is about the Sabbath and you have now twisted it into baseless speculation on the Mark of the Beast. Did you even read Romans 14?

Revelation 13:15
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Everyone is going to be worshiping something. True God or counterfeit

 

[pittsburghjoe]

No one "modified" the Ten Commandments. Everything applicable to the 6th day is applicable to the 7th. And Christians have observed the first day of the week from the time of the apostles. At the same time we have been instructed that the sabbaths were shadows, and Christ is the reality. That is how it makes it "okay".

You have convinced yourself that the apostles said it was okay? Comical.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

No one "modified" the Ten Commandments. Everything applicable to the 6th day is applicable to the 7th. And Christians have observed the first day of the week from the time of the apostles. At the same time we have been instructed that the sabbaths were shadows, and Christ is the reality. That is how it makes it "okay".

 

[pittsburghjoe]

No one "modified" the Ten Commandments. Everything applicable to the 6th day is applicable to the 7th. And Christians have observed the first day of the week from the time of the apostles. At the same time we have been instructed that the sabbaths were shadows, and Christ is the reality. That is how it makes it "okay".

 

[rstrats]

If you are unable to put 2 and 2 together, that is not the fault of Scripture.

Apparently you are able. What are the "2s" in scripture that you are putting together?

 

[mailmandan]

This thread is about the Sabbath and you have now twisted it into baseless speculation on the Mark of the Beast. Did you even read Romans 14?

Seventh-day Adventists teach that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday.

https://nonsda.org/study8.shtml

 

[rstrats]

Did you even read Romans 14?

The context of the whole chapter of Romans 14 from beginning to end has to do with regard to food practices. "Paul is writing about asceticism. Some in the church at Rome believed Christians should eat only vegetables. Paul calls these people 'weak in the faith' (verses 1-2. The stronger in the faith knew they could also eat meat. Nothing in God's law prescribes vegetarianism. The stronger in faith knew they were free from non-biblical asceticism.

A part of the controversy that had sprung up between the weak and the strong Christians was the esteeming of days. In Rome some people had the pagan idea that on certain days certain foods should or should not be eaten. In this whole chapter Paul was just showing that others should not be offended, particularly weak members who have not yet learned the truth about the proper Christian diet and that they should not be judged by the the stronger in the faith." Nothing in the chapter is said with regard to the Sabbath or the first day of the week.

Hasting's Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics.
"We assume, because we have been raised with an anti- Torah bias, that the text must be talking about Sabbath, but that is a pure assumption not required by the text. To say that the verse must mean, that if we are honoring the Sabbath as God commands numerous times and places throughout Scripture (not a gray area), that those who do so are weak in the faith, is an interpretation coming from an anti- Torah bias that has been imposed on the text, but which the text does not require."

A footnote in Calvin's Commentaries regarding verses 5-6: " It has been suggested as a question by some, whether the Christian Sabbath is included here? The very subject in hand proves that it is not."

Expositor's Greek Testament with regard to verse 5:"It is not probable that there is any reference...to the Jewish Sabbath..."

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

The context of the whole chapter of Romans 14 from beginning to end has to do with regard to food practices. "Paul is writing about asceticism. Some in the church at Rome believed Christians should eat only vegetables. Paul calls these people 'weak in the faith' (verses 1-2. The stronger in the faith knew they could also eat meat. Nothing in God's law prescribes vegetarianism. The stronger in faith knew they were free from non-biblical asceticism.

A part of the controversy that had sprung up between the weak and the strong Christians was the esteeming of days. In Rome some people had the pagan idea that on certain days certain foods should or should not be eaten. In this whole chapter Paul was just showing that others should not be offended, particularly weak members who have not yet learned the truth about the proper Christian diet and that they should not be judged by the the stronger in the faith." Nothing in the chapter is said with regard to the Sabbath or the first day of the week.

Hasting's Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics.
"We assume, because we have been raised with an anti- Torah bias, that the text must be talking about Sabbath, but that is a pure assumption not required by the text. To say that the verse must mean, that if we are honoring the Sabbath as God commands numerous times and places throughout Scripture (not a gray area), that those who do so are weak in the faith, is an interpretation coming from an anti- Torah bias that has been imposed on the text, but which the text does not require."

A footnote in Calvin's Commentaries regarding verses 5-6: " It has been suggested as a question by some, whether the Christian Sabbath is included here? The very subject in hand proves that it is not."

Expositor's Greek Testament with regard to verse 5:"It is not probable that there is any reference...to the Jewish Sabbath..."

You are a student of Calvin who was a student of Augustine of Hippo who was and is a Doctor of the Roman Church. You are following the Sabbath doctrine instituted by the Roman Church, which is in error.

Of course Romans 14 is referring to the Sabbath as well as other days such as feast days and man-designated religious and "holy" days.

 

[rstrats]

Nebuchadnez,
re: "You are following the Sabbath doctrine instituted by the Roman Church..."

Exactly what Roman Church Sabbath doctrine are you saying I'm following?


re: "Of course Romans 14 is referring to the Sabbath..."

Please identify where the chapter says anything with regard to the Sabbath.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Nebuchadnez,
re: "You are following the Sabbath doctrine instituted by the Roman Church..."

Exactly what Roman Church Sabbath doctrine are you saying I'm following?


re: "Of course Romans 14 is referring to the Sabbath..."

Please identify where the chapter says anything with regard to the Sabbath.

Here is Colossians 2:16, which clearly mentions Sabbaths along with other days such as new moons or a feast [day] or a holyday.

Colassians 2:16
King James Bible
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

But I am sure you have already conjured up a way to work around this one too.

 

[tourist]

Seventh-day Adventists teach that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday.

https://nonsda.org/study8.shtml

This is true.

 

[rstrats]

Nebuchadnezzer


Why in your post #1,838 did you quote my 2 questions to you if you weren't going to address them?