All sickness is from Satan!!

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All sickness is from Satan. All of it! All disease and ailments are caused by evil spirits, sent out by Satan to afflict and torment, as he is the great tormentor. NONE OF IT is done by God. NONE!!

Jesus is one who knew this and showed his dominion OVER this. No demon and no devil could stand in his presence. He came to set the captives free. As I said before, you cannot counsel a demon out. Or give a demon medicine. You can't lock a demon down. Jesus cast them OUT!

Some people are still being bound because they have not known the war we fight. Because they have not been taught the Truth, because they have listened to people rather than Jesus. But I am telling you the truth, that Jesus Christ was given ALL authority over the plots of Satan to steal, kill, and destroy. So why should we allow him?

Anyone who has believed in Jesus, who know for sure that he is who he said he is, they have been given this same authority. But be cautious, because if you are not who you think you are, you may end up in the same position.

How long will people walk for a cure? When Jesus is the cure? Now, let's see who objects.
 
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All sickness is from Satan. All of it! All disease and ailments are caused by evil spirits, sent out by Satan to afflict and torment, as he is the great tormentor. NONE OF IT is done by God. NONE!!
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Uh, you sure about that? I don't think that's true at all. I'd like to see your scriptural support for this.


There are several instances in the Bible where God directly causes illness and sickness among people for a variety of purposes. Unless you equivocate about the meaning of "sickness", then I'm not sure if you can claim that none of it comes from God.

For instance:

"After Nathan had gone home, the LORD struck the child that Uriah’s wife had borne to David, and he became ill. David pleaded with God for the child. He fasted and spent the nights lying in sackcloth on the ground. The elders of his household stood beside him to get him up from the ground, but he refused, and he would not eat any food with them. On the seventh day the child died."

~ 2 Samuel 12


"Then the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, “Take handfuls of soot from a furnace and have Moses toss it into the air in the presence of Pharaoh. It will become fine dust over the whole land of Egypt, and festering boils will break out on people and animals throughout the land.” So they took soot from a furnace and stood before Pharaoh. Moses tossed it into the air, and festering boils broke out on people and animals."

~ Exodus 9:8-12


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God created the world > God created life > God created microbes and bacteria etc... > God allowed for things like cancer etc... > God created and allows for disease.

That makes sense to me ?
 
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Red_Tory said:
Uh, you sure about that? I don't think that's true at all. I'd like to see your scriptural support for this.


There are several instances in the Bible where God directly causes illness and sickness among people for a variety of purposes. Unless you equivocate about the meaning of "sickness", then I'm not sure if you can claim that none of it comes from God.

For instance:

"After Nathan had gone home, the LORD struck the child that Uriah’s wife had borne to David, and he became ill. David pleaded with God for the child. He fasted and spent the nights lying in sackcloth on the ground. The elders of his household stood beside him to get him up from the ground, but he refused, and he would not eat any food with them. On the seventh day the child died."

~ 2 Samuel 12


"Then the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, “Take handfuls of soot from a furnace and have Moses toss it into the air in the presence of Pharaoh. It will become fine dust over the whole land of Egypt, and festering boils will break out on people and animals throughout the land.” So they took soot from a furnace and stood before Pharaoh. Moses tossed it into the air, and festering boils broke out on people and animals."

~ Exodus 9:8-12


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NONE of it comes from God. God does not afflict, it is all done by Satan. Sure you would like scriptural proof but you should believe the words of Jesus. How can there be sickness in heaven? It is Satan who fell from heaven because of his pride. The kingdom of God is contrary to the kingdom of Satan. So that there is no light mixed with dark concerning the Kingdom of God and the kingdom of Satan.

NO matter what you think, it all comes from Satan. Started with sin.

May Jesus bless you.
 
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Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator. ... Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. (I Peter 4:19, 5:6-7)


"sinful" acts are of "Sin", which is a refusal to believe the Word of God which = Death.
So we must reject Satan :D

So don't uses Fig Leafs. (Religion)
 
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Gentile said:
Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator. ... Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. (I Peter 4:19, 5:6-7)


"sinful" acts are of "Sin", which is a refusal to believe the Word of God which = Death.
So we must reject Satan :D

So don't uses Fig Leafs. (Religion)
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Sin is the gateway to death. And Sin will lead many people to hell. Hell is real, and Satan is real. But Jesus Christ came to UNDO the works of Satan. And what are those works? Sin unto death. Corruption of the thing that is good. And we should not neglect the manifestations of this corruption. How then will the Power of our Lord Jesus be displayed?

But I tell you this. Not everyone who is sick became this way through their own sin or generational sin, some were born that way.
 
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But I tell you this. Not everyone who is sick became this way through their own sin or generational sin, some were born that way.
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Well you finally inadvertently said something I almost agree with.
 
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The flesh hardly agrees with the Spirit. Not uncommon.
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Yeah well the day you become free of flesh and are nothing but a spirit that line might be vaild. Till then you're still a human and I still think you're way off on a lot of the things you say.
 
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Yeah well the day you become free of flesh and are nothing but a spirit that line might be vaild. Till then you're still a human and I still think you're way off on a lot of the things you say.
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And the carnal mind is enmity with God.

I look forward to that day my friend. May Jesus bless you.
 
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Death will come to all of us, but it can happen now, or tomorrow. You never know.

This is why we should try as hard as we can to love one another, even the kooks or grumpy lefties like me.

At the end of the day, sometimes putting the debate aside and just 'taking it easy' is the wisest idea.
 
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David_1 said:
Death will come to all of us, but it can happen now, or tomorrow. You never know.

This is why we should try as hard as we can to love one another, even the kooks or grumpy lefties like me.

At the end of the day, sometimes putting the debate aside and just 'taking it easy' is the wisest idea.
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I can't argue with someone with a Big Lebowski avatar, I just can't lol
 
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NONE of it comes from God. God does not afflict, it is all done by Satan. Sure you would like scriptural proof but you should believe the words of Jesus. How can there be sickness in heaven? It is Satan who fell from heaven because of his pride. The kingdom of God is contrary to the kingdom of Satan. So that there is no light mixed with dark concerning the Kingdom of God and the kingdom of Satan.

NO matter what you think, it all comes from Satan. Started with sin.

May Jesus bless you.
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Total nonsense. I showed you specific passages where God, not Satan, inflicted illness on people.

You have provided no scriptural evidence; there are many things which God does on earth, yet probably wouldn't do in Heaven. Unless you think God will be smiting and slaughtering people in Heaven?
 
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Sure you would like scriptural proof but you should believe the words of Jesus.
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"...the sisters sent word to Jesus, 'Lord, the one you love is sick.' When he heard this, Jesus said, 'This sickness will not end in death. No, it is for God’s glory so that God’s Son may be glorified through it.'"

~ John 11:3-4


These are the words of Jesus.
 
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Total nonsense. I showed you specific passages where God, not Satan, inflicted illness on people.

You have provided no scriptural evidence; there are many things which God does on earth, yet probably wouldn't do in Heaven. Unless you think God will be smiting and slaughtering people in Heaven?
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God didn't inflict any of that on anyone. Where does it say that?

You did not give scriptural evidence for anything, but you did give your interpretation of what was written. Even to go so far as to say God puts illness on people. Shame.
 
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God didn't inflict any of that on anyone. Where does it say that?

You did not give scriptural evidence for anything, but you did give your interpretation of what was written. Even to go so far as to say God puts illness on people. Shame.
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Uh, let's go over this again.

"After Nathan had gone home, the LORD struck the child that Uriah’s wife had borne to David, and he became ill. David pleaded with God for the child. He fasted and spent the nights lying in sackcloth on the ground. The elders of his household stood beside him to get him up from the ground, but he refused, and he would not eat any food with them. On the seventh day the child died."

There it is, God striking someone down with illness. It's not Satan, it's God. Also in Exodus, God sends illness (boils) as one of the ten plagues. Are you saying that Satan, not God, initiated the plagues?


Instead of spouting off and crying "shame", can you offer some sort of explanation for this contradiction of scripture? If this is just "my interpretation" (I don't see how it is, it actually directly says God struck the child with illness), what can you offer in opposition? How can you claim that God doesn't cause illness when the text, taken at face value, indicates that he clearly does?
 
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Uh, let's go over this again.

"After Nathan had gone home, the LORD struck the child that Uriah’s wife had borne to David, and he became ill. David pleaded with God for the child. He fasted and spent the nights lying in sackcloth on the ground. The elders of his household stood beside him to get him up from the ground, but he refused, and he would not eat any food with them. On the seventh day the child died."

There it is, God striking someone down with illness. It's not Satan, it's God. Also in Exodus, God sends illness (boils) as one of the ten plagues. Are you saying that Satan, not God, initiated the plagues?


Instead of spouting off and crying "shame", can you offer some sort of explanation for this contradiction of scripture? If this is just "my interpretation" (I don't see how it is, it actually directly says God struck the child with illness), what can you offer in opposition? How can you claim that God doesn't cause illness when the text, taken at face value, indicates that he clearly does?
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You forgot that God is ruler of all. All powers are made subject to him. So did God cause sin also? Yeah it is easy to blame God for this. But even Satan is subjected to God, so that he cannot do anything against the will of God. It is Satan who afflicts, only if the Lord allows(as pertaining to the righteous), or if the individual allows himself to be subjected from without the blood(as pertaining to the unrighteous). May Jesus bless you.
 
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You forgot that God is ruler of all. All powers are made subject to him. So did God cause sin also? Yeah it is easy to blame God for this. But even Satan is subjected to God, so that he cannot do anything against the will of God. It is Satan who afflicts, only if the Lord allows(as pertaining to the righteous), or if the individual allows himself to be subjected from without the blood(as pertaining to the unrighteous). May Jesus bless you.
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So what makes God allowing Satan to ruin people's lives better than him directly doing it? If anything isn't that worse? Kinda like the superhero that let the people trapped in the burning buildings die even though he was more than capable of saving them?
 
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