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4ChristAlone

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Theres the three together in one verse here and David speaking by the Holy Ghost concerning Christ

Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD (JEHOVAH) said to my Lord (Adonai), Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool. (Psalm 110:1)

Mat 22:45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

Also, when

John 10:20 Jesus said, I and my Father are one.

He also prayed for that same oneness for them

John 17:22 ..."they may be one, even as we are one"

Which was

John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one

As Jesus said, earlier

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
 

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Some of the encouragement afforded us by Isaiah.

Isa 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Isa 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Isa 2:5 O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.
 
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thanks for the reply, this is what I'm talking about, ok, if the word was made flesh how much of the Spirit was made flesh? since it's three persons, and all suppose to be of the ONE substance "Spirit", so how much of the Spirit did the person, son, was made flesh? ... 1/3 of the Spirit that was made flesh? or was it all of the Spirit that was made flesh? which one? now thinl long before you answer, which will answer your 1 John 5:7 question.

looking foward to your answer.

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Colossians 2:9
“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
 
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thanks for the reply, ok if what you say is true, then answer me this, Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."
now the context of who is speaking here is in a couple of verse before this, verse 8, the LORD, all caps, as Deuteronomy 6:4. so my question is this, "When was the LORD, God, the Father pierced?"

as said, 1 Thessalonians 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

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That's a prophecy of God coming as Jesus. He got pierced by a Roman soldier with a spear.
 

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thanks for the topic, but are these titles, Father, son, and Holy Ghost, in reference to one person or three?
The answer should be obvious. There are three distinct divine Persons within the Godhead (1 John 5:7).
 

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That's a valid question and it is one that is asked frequently.

What we are talking about here is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three disinct persons (plural) known as God (singular).

1 John 5:7
7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

This picture helps me understand it better:

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do you suppose the theee different aspects of God each have distinct and unique roles in our lives ? That it’s just one God but we are taught about three aspects because we can’t grasp God without that doctrine ?

the holt spirit seems to have a very unique role , the son seems to have a very unique role and of course the Father also has a role that differed from spirit and son

what if God is one , and we’re taught about the three aspects so we can understand the salvation plan of how God the father became a man the son in order to restore his spirit in us

what if the doctrine is so we can understand ?
 
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do you suppose the theee different aspects of God each have distinct and unique roles in our lives ? That it’s just one God but we are taught about three aspects because we can’t grasp God without that doctrine ?

the holt spirit seems to have a very unique role , the son seems to have a very unique role and of course the Father also has a role that differed from spirit and son

what if God is one , and we’re taught about the three aspects so we can understand the salvation plan of how God the father became a man the son in order to restore his spirit in us

what if the doctrine is so we can understand ?
God is not a human so much of the language used to describe Him is put into the best possible human terms.

We know that God identifies Himself using a masculine pronoun, but isn't a flesh and blood male either.

Yeah I would agree that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit do different things but they do different things together and at the same time.

For example Genesis 1:2 says the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters in the beginning. John 1:1-2 says in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and is God. John 1:14 says the Word was begotten of the Father.

So I would say there is some mystery involved here: take it on faith. We don't have to know the exact mechanics and intricacies and I don't think we could fully grasp it anyway with the information we currently have.
 

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When Moses spoke to God when He appeared in the bush burning, Moses asked Who is It who sent him so he could relate It do the Children.

Our God said, I am that I am. Sometimes this is said, I will be what I will be.. I think this is telling all who understand that Elohanu will appear any way that suits Him and mankind for any given purpose,.

All the above in mind, God is One.
 

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God is not a human so much of the language used to describe Him is put into the best possible human terms.

We know that God identifies Himself using a masculine pronoun, but isn't a flesh and blood male either.

Yeah I would agree that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit do different things but they do different things together and at the same time.

For example Genesis 1:2 says the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters in the beginning. John 1:1-2 says in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and is God. John 1:14 says the Word was begotten of the Father.

So I would say there is some mystery involved here: take it on faith. We don't have to know the exact mechanics and intricacies and I don't think we could fully grasp it anyway with the information we currently have.
amen , I think there’s going to be a time someday we will know fully but now we walk by faith and believe what he said

it’s always good to let the spirit seek the deeper thkngs of God those mysteries the gospel reveals and makes plain


“But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.


For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭2:9-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Almost as if Christ and the Holy Spirit is the true revelation of God to the world

The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field: The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the Lord bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass. The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭40:3, 5-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:22-25‬ ‭


It’s interesting that the gospel is where we learn of the father , son and holt spirit . It wasn’t taught in the ot but was evident in the figures of God then
 

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Colossians 2:9
“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
GINOLJC, to all
first thanks for the reply, second, Colossians 2:9 is after his resurrection, the Amalgamation, or the glorification in flesh and bone of the First and the Last.
what I'm asking what of the Spirit was in that body, before his Baptism? Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" so how much of the Spirit was in that body... with blood.

thanks in advance.

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When Moses spoke to God when He appeared in the bush burning, Moses asked Who is It who sent him so he could relate It do the Children.

Our God said, I am that I am. Sometimes this is said, I will be what I will be.. I think this is telling all who understand that Elohanu will appear any way that suits Him and mankind for any given purpose,.

All the above in mind, God is One.
it was an angel in the burning bush

“And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sinai an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭7:30‬ ‭

it was an angel who went before Israel in the camp

“Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee: nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭32:34‬ ‭KJV‬‬

one of them major misunderstanding of the old covenant is made when we don’t realize God had turned the covenant over to Moses the mediator and his apppinted angel. Because of thier transgression when Moses was receiving e commandments on Sinai

the Old Testament

“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;

and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Gods presence was with them by his angel who went with them , his presence spoke through the angel in the bush . God handed judgement to Moses under the ordination of angels at this point

“And the Lord said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves: They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. And the Lord said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people: Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.

And Moses besought the Lord his God, and said, Lord, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, which thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power, and with a mighty hand? Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth?

Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people. Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever. And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭32:7-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the law of Moses is a response to transgression of the first commandment before they even received the tablets . That’s what makes the gospel more and far better the difference in Jesus and and one of his angels

When the lord decided to destroy them , Moses interceded and put his own life on the line for them

“And Moses returned unto the Lord, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold. Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin―; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭32:31-32‬ ‭

because of the is judgement was given to Moses the mediator , and the ordination from this point is of angels
 

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That's a prophecy of God coming as Jesus. He got pierced by a Roman soldier with a spear.
Thanks for the reply, Yes, I know that it's a prophecy, "God coming as Jesus", I asked, who was speaking? because the speaker stated, " and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced," so who is the "ME" speaking?

thanks in advance, to be looking for your answer.

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God is not a human so much of the language used to describe Him is put into the best possible human terms.
Correct, he, God, took on humanity, by dwelling in flesh, so, knowing that, is this not the same one God of the OT, who is LORD, called Father, only in flesh is called "Son?".

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When Moses spoke to God when He appeared in the bush burning, Moses asked Who is It who sent him so he could relate It do the Children.
not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this. Moses asked God "WHAT" is your Name, not "WHO", because the answer, was in response to "WHAT" he is. and how we know this is that H1961 הָיָה hayah (haw-yaw) v. or I AM is a VERB, and not a NOUN, so Moses asked "WHAT" is his name and not "WHO", for if he did the God whould have told Moses his personal Name, which God never gave in the OT.

so the correct rending is "I AM THAT I AM". and yes God is ONE.

so we must disagree with that statement, as to "WHO" God is in Name.

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GINOLJC, to all
first thanks for the reply, second, Colossians 2:9 is after his resurrection, the Amalgamation, or the glorification in flesh and bone of the First and the Last.
what I'm asking what of the Spirit was in that body, before his Baptism? Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" so how much of the Spirit was in that body... with blood.

thanks in advance.

PICJAG, 101G.
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,

justified in the Spirit,

seen of angels,

preached unto the Gentiles,

believed on in the world,


received up into glory.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬

God became one of us because there was no man to save us no one to intercede for us

“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:14-18‬ ‭

Jesus is God the father and the holt spirit in one message God in heaven , who became the man of God on earth , who was taken back into heaven after he rose , and then sent his same holt spirit into the hearts of believers through his word believed

God is one who was in knowable so he revealed himself to man , as a man because man was made in his image Jesus is the perfect example of God and the perfect example of mankind who are meant to be conformed to Gods image and likeness

the holy spirit accomplishes this work in us

“Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:17-

If we receive the holy spirit it’s because we believe the message about the father sending his son to save the world

Ye here the holy spirit is is father and son anywhere the son is the father and Holy Ghost are there it’s because they are one God manifest theee different ways because there are three aspects to salvation we have to have a teacher of Gods word and an atonement in the form of a perfect man we need a priest and an apostle of God

the son fulfills all of those type of needs man has it was necassary for us to have a perfected priest who had suffered temptation and never sinned . We had to have a sinless sacrifice formoir sinful lives to be stoned for .

there’s a message about our amazing lord who when all was lost came to be our hero as well as our God it’s when he was made flesh and dwelt among us that the son came to light , and soon after his death and resurrection his spirit came to light
 

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“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,

justified in the Spirit,

seen of angels,

preached unto the Gentiles,

believed on in the world,

received up into glory.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬

God became one of us because there was no man to save us no one to intercede for us
GOOD, thank you, now just one little question, was that all of God in that Flesh and blood? yes or no?

Thanks in advance.

PICJAG, 101G.
 

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thanks for the reply, second, three distinct persons? but did you not say in your OP, that Galatians 1:1 the Father raised up Jesus the christ, but in John 2:19 in your OP, which you quoted correctly, that it was Jesus who raised up his body. so are these these the same person, or distinct? if distinct, so who actually raised up the Christ, the Body of God?


so which person actually raised up the body of christ?

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All three Persons. Bible is very clear on the matter.
 

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All three Persons. Bible is very clear on the matter.
thanks for the reply, if so, then as i have ben asking is the person in John 1:3 is the same one person in Isaiah 44:24 who, "MADE ALL THINGS" Yes or No?

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not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this. Moses asked God "WHAT" is your Name, not "WHO", because the answer, was in response to "WHAT" he is. and how we know this is that H1961 הָיָה hayah (haw-yaw) v. or I AM is a VERB, and not a NOUN, so Moses asked "WHAT" is his name and not "WHO", for if he did the God whould have told Moses his personal Name, which God never gave in the OT.

so the correct rending is "I AM THAT I AM". and yes God is ONE.

so we must disagree with that statement, as to "WHO" God is in Name.

PICJAG, 101G.
Let us look again. Hayah is the infinitive in Hebrew of To Be. YHWH is akin to the English part of speech called a gerund. As you know a gerund is the nominative form of an infinitive or of a verb if you will.

Now as the infinitive is used by our Father, He uses it in the transitive (active) form. No Human is able to use it in this manner in truth, only YHWH.

Now who are what is a superfluous point here since it is not a name but Hi attribute, one of dozens. Read in Nehemiah and we find that YHWH will return a pure tongue to all so all may call upon Him by One name in One accord. This name is yet to be known by any flesh.

Moses just wanted to know how to explain to the people Who sent hem to them. Apparently that was good enough for the Children of Israel.