Why do Calvinists believe things the bible doesnt say ?
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WHAT! Even the no-repentance crowd like the Independent fundamental baptists (The KJVOnly cult variety) believe in forsaking sin AFTER you are saved. Sure they love to tell you in every turn its got nothing to do with salvation, but they do preach against sin and tell people to turn from it.
BUT HEY, im not here to call you a liar, GOD ONLY KNOWS how garbage some pastors are today, so everything is possible. In 2021 NOTHING will surprise me anymore. We've seen christian witches, we've seen dancing cowboys, we've seen fruity loops congregations with the backstreet boys moaning to the microphone, we've seen ecumenical apostasy, we've seen "LOVE" advertised to the point of distorting it to mean a woodstock festival.
Whatever this pastor was, he was no calvinist in the traditional sense of the word, as calvinists DO believe in faith and repentance and preach and teach it. You are mixing it up with the easy believism crowd, which is a different crowd all together, they basically copied the "once saved always saved" but removed the verses about holy living and repentance that was originally taught ALONG with eternal security. This was done cause the movement was started YESTERDAY by Americans who turned the gospel into a happy meal at Mickey D's!
BUT HEY, im not here to call you a liar, GOD ONLY KNOWS how garbage some pastors are today, so everything is possible. In 2021 NOTHING will surprise me anymore. We've seen christian witches, we've seen dancing cowboys, we've seen fruity loops congregations with the backstreet boys moaning to the microphone, we've seen ecumenical apostasy, we've seen "LOVE" advertised to the point of distorting it to mean a woodstock festival.
Whatever this pastor was, he was no calvinist in the traditional sense of the word, as calvinists DO believe in faith and repentance and preach and teach it. You are mixing it up with the easy believism crowd, which is a different crowd all together, they basically copied the "once saved always saved" but removed the verses about holy living and repentance that was originally taught ALONG with eternal security. This was done cause the movement was started YESTERDAY by Americans who turned the gospel into a happy meal at Mickey D's!
Biggest issue in Christianity? When we got roman catholicism around? When we got as I said earlier: We've seen christian witches, we've seen dancing cowboys, we've seen fruity loops congregations with the backstreet boys moaning to the microphone, we've seen ecumenical apostasy, we've seen "LOVE" advertised to the point of distorting it to mean a woodstock festival.
So yeah... CALVINISM is the biggest issue going. To be honest this whole debate about Calvinism, Arminianism, Free will, Predestination is UTTERLY meaningless in our daily lives. It does absolutely nothing. People in BOTH camps live holy and terrible lives, no matter what they believe. Its all just philosophicla meaningless debate, the issues I mentioned above are REAL problems because they are something "Christians" actually DO in real life. Their BEHAVIOR.
So much emphasis on DOCTRINE instead of BEHAVIOR nowadays.
So yeah... CALVINISM is the biggest issue going. To be honest this whole debate about Calvinism, Arminianism, Free will, Predestination is UTTERLY meaningless in our daily lives. It does absolutely nothing. People in BOTH camps live holy and terrible lives, no matter what they believe. Its all just philosophicla meaningless debate, the issues I mentioned above are REAL problems because they are something "Christians" actually DO in real life. Their BEHAVIOR.
So much emphasis on DOCTRINE instead of BEHAVIOR nowadays.
Calvinism manages to look 'serious, sensible and scholarly. This is its appeal. A lot of folks won't question it because it sneaks in the back door unnoticed. It's considered orthodox, ' historical and the ' thinking man's choice. If you take just a few of the most popular searches on the Internet on christianity its sites like Got questions , DesiringGod ( ,John piper ) , ligioneer, Carm . Anyone looking for a bible question ,these are the first ones they will come across.
A theology that actually says Jesus did not die for everyone? How did that sneak into christianity ? Regeneration precedes faith ? Wow ! how did that take off ? Yes it emphasises 'behaviour ' any denomination that teaches lordship salvation will have this exterior .And yes Augustine has had big influence on Catholicism and Calvinism/ Arminsim and has permeated almost all denominations . So yeah no big deal?
Samaritans, and Gentiles, received the same message as Peter preached to the Jews for they were baptized in the name Jesus, and received the Holy Ghost.
So it was not only for the Jews.
We have a choice in our salvation because God is love and His kingdom is love, and He is not evil to condemn people that have no choice in their salvation.
Many are called but few are chosen.
When God calls a person He will work with that person to get them to the truth but when they get to the truth they have to decide to go through the door because God's kingdom is love, but they would of not gotten to the door of truth unless God intervened in their life.
No person comes to the Son unless the Father draws them.
No person says Jesus is the Lord but by the Holy Ghost.
Peter said Jesus is the Christ the Son of the living God, and Jesus said flesh and blood did not reveal that to Him but the Father.
It takes God to intervene in our life to guide us to the truth but we have to decide to accept the truth for God's kingdom is love.
Which not everyone accepts the truth which is why many are called but few are chosen, and if God choses in the beginning who will be saved why is He calling people but not choosing them, and that is because they never get to the door of truth, or they do not enter the door of truth.
Calvinism is dangerous because it says God chooses who will be saved in the beginning, and condemns people who have no choice concerning salvation, but God's kingdom is love so He gave us a choice, and He is not evil to condemn people that have no choice in their salvation.
All are sinners that have come short of the glory of God.
There is none that does good, no, not one.
Our righteousness is as filthy rags.
There is no good thing that dwells in the flesh.
If you offend in the least of the law you offend in all.
God is no respecter of persons.
God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son.
Why would God be choosing people to be saved in the beginning when all people are the same.
Predestination does not mean God chooses who will be saved in the beginning without their choice in the matter, but it means that God had the plan to give people salvation at the foundation of the world.
The Bible says God calls things that have not happened yet as though they already happened for if it is a plan to happen in the future it is the same as if it happened in the beginning.
The Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world.
The prophets blood was slain from the foundation of the world.
The Word of God that was in the beginning is the plan of God to come in the future in flesh.
So it was not only for the Jews.
We have a choice in our salvation because God is love and His kingdom is love, and He is not evil to condemn people that have no choice in their salvation.
Many are called but few are chosen.
When God calls a person He will work with that person to get them to the truth but when they get to the truth they have to decide to go through the door because God's kingdom is love, but they would of not gotten to the door of truth unless God intervened in their life.
No person comes to the Son unless the Father draws them.
No person says Jesus is the Lord but by the Holy Ghost.
Peter said Jesus is the Christ the Son of the living God, and Jesus said flesh and blood did not reveal that to Him but the Father.
It takes God to intervene in our life to guide us to the truth but we have to decide to accept the truth for God's kingdom is love.
Which not everyone accepts the truth which is why many are called but few are chosen, and if God choses in the beginning who will be saved why is He calling people but not choosing them, and that is because they never get to the door of truth, or they do not enter the door of truth.
Calvinism is dangerous because it says God chooses who will be saved in the beginning, and condemns people who have no choice concerning salvation, but God's kingdom is love so He gave us a choice, and He is not evil to condemn people that have no choice in their salvation.
All are sinners that have come short of the glory of God.
There is none that does good, no, not one.
Our righteousness is as filthy rags.
There is no good thing that dwells in the flesh.
If you offend in the least of the law you offend in all.
God is no respecter of persons.
God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son.
Why would God be choosing people to be saved in the beginning when all people are the same.
Predestination does not mean God chooses who will be saved in the beginning without their choice in the matter, but it means that God had the plan to give people salvation at the foundation of the world.
The Bible says God calls things that have not happened yet as though they already happened for if it is a plan to happen in the future it is the same as if it happened in the beginning.
The Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world.
The prophets blood was slain from the foundation of the world.
The Word of God that was in the beginning is the plan of God to come in the future in flesh.
This is so knotted and convoluted that I don't think there is any fix to it. You take obvious Scriptural Truth and deny it. All of us know that Jesus shed His Blood to make Salvation freely available to all. Why you would seek to openly and blatantly undermine obvious Gospel Truth befixes and befuddles me.
Who are the "all of us" that you speak on behalf of? There is no undermining here, rather it is to show who does the work in salvation: God, not man. I have denied none of what you mention. What I do not agree with are the humanistic ideas of arminianism, which denies total depravity of man. If you do not know what total depravity means and what Luther and Calvin taught on this matter, then you may study same, and you will see what it means. I believe nothing else, on this issue, than what they did.
Why are you so deeply invested in these men???? Total depravity describes them well.
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Amen! I go to the Church of the Seventh Synod of Synergism.
I go to the Church of the Seventh Synod of Synergism.
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