Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??

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Truth7t7

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Your proclivity to employing genetic fallacies is sad.
2 Peter 2:17-19KJV
17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
 

Dino246

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Man's school of psychology, gives total disregard to the fact of the spiritual possession by (devils) as seen below.
Your dismissal of an entire field of medical science is astoundingly obtuse. The Bible doesn't pretend to be a medical textbook. Treating it as one is foolish. Allow the Bible to speak authoritatively to the issues it does address, but recognize that God didn't intend it to address every subject in detail.
 

Dino246

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2 Peter 2:17-19KJV
17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
... while your proclivity to irrelevance is merely comedic.
 

Truth7t7

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Your dismissal of an entire field of medical science is astoundingly obtuse. The Bible doesn't pretend to be a medical textbook. Treating it as one is foolish. Allow the Bible to speak authoritatively to the issues it does address, but recognize that God didn't intend it to address every subject in detail.
There is still hope 4U:giggle:

Matthew 9:32-33
32 As they went out, behold, they brought to him a dumb man possessed wth a devil.
33 And when the devil was cast out, the dumb spake: and the multitudes marvelled, saying, It was never so seen in Israel.
 

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If you consider asking a simple, straightforward question "attacking", you're on the wrong planet.

Once again: Which logical fallacy? You accused 101G of employing a logical fallacy. Which was it?
It was a loaded question and the Chef explained his logical fallacy. Go back and reread. Chef ain't playin with you God hatin trolls.

Some logical fallacies are errors in reasoning and other are dishonesty.
 

Dino246

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It was a loaded question and the Chef explained his logical fallacy. Go back and reread. Chef ain't playin with you God hatin trolls.

Some logical fallacies are errors in reasoning and other are dishonesty.
You did not identify the logical fallacy. I asked you twice to identify it. Instead you assume that mine was a loaded question. Now you insult me.

You may write like a you're a Southerner, but you certainly don't have the manners of one.
 

Chef

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You did not identify the logical fallacy. I asked you twice to identify it. Instead you assume that mine was a loaded question. Now you insult me.

You may write like a you're a Southerner, but you certainly don't have the manners of one.
The Chef was raised in the South and was treated very badly as were many folks of color. Chef's daddy was beaten the Klan. They don't call Dixie Klanistan for nothing.

The Chef relocated to the Northeast where he attended the prestigious Johnson and Wales School of Culinary Arts. The Chef opened a restaurant called the Bella Vista which he owned operated for 20+ years. In all the Chefs time in the Northeast the Chef ain't never been called the N-Word.

White folks in the North have treated the Chef with love and respect.

So Dino, if you felt insulted by the Chef's precise, erudite and godly words you may want to get a helmet. The Chef as answered your question. You askin again and again is a common troll tactic. It ain't workin. You must have a very unfulfilled life if you get your kicks coming to a fine forum like this and have beef with these fine Christian folks.
 

Dino246

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The Chef was raised in the South and was treated very badly as were many folks of color. Chef's daddy was beaten the Klan. They don't call Dixie Klanistan for nothing.

The Chef relocated to the Northeast where he attended the prestigious Johnson and Wales School of Culinary Arts. The Chef opened a restaurant called the Bella Vista which he owned operated for 20+ years. In all the Chefs time in the Northeast the Chef ain't never been called the N-Word.

White folks in the North have treated the Chef with love and respect.

So Dino, if you felt insulted by the Chef's precise, erudite and godly words you may want to get a helmet. The Chef as answered your question. You askin again and again is a common troll tactic. It ain't workin. You must have a very unfulfilled life if you get your kicks coming to a fine forum like this and have beef with these fine Christian folks.
I've been on this site for almost six years. You haven't been here six days, and you're throwing insults. Who's the troll?
 

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Not assistance in preaching or teaching in the church

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
And I'm telling you God will not allow you to use His word in this way. Women can preach and they can pray, nor does Paul recognise male or female in the body of Christ.
 

Evmur

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Of course you desire to silence God's words below, in promoting a false teaching women can be pastors

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
The only one who is silencing God's word is you, God's word is Christ and in Christ is neither male or female.

Fact is God has, does and will unction women for His service, it does and will happen whether you like it or not, and they will see the fruits of their labours. God's word is given to straightjacket anybody.
 

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Thank you for being reasonable.

There seems to be a fair amount of fear involved with some chaps. Fear of women usurping authority and spoiling the congregation.

I wish some of these men who want to enforce this legalism would realise that this isn't a matter of women replacing men.

The idea of 'usurping authority' in my mind would entail a woman literally stealing an established leadership or teaching position from a man. That is why it sounds offensive to me when they use that language. Perish the thought!
If I felt I had a teaching to offer, I would expect to be held to the same standards as any man would be.


A number of years ago, I was trying out a new church. After I joined them a few times for Sunday service I was comfortable with them & I began to assist some of the musicians with their set up because it's what I do. One of the worship leaders (a man) began to discuss their mixing desk and PA system with me because I had some professional experience in that area.
He said to me "you know I think The Lord may have sent you."


It wasn't a matter of me barging in & pushing a man out of his position in the church.
It was that they needed someone to do a specific thing and there was no one else suitable except a woman.
I was more than happy to help. I wouldn't have dared to turn up at the church demanding to replace the Pastor's son
with me in the music ministry. It just happened that there was a need to fill. I have also helped with cleaning in the church.


Some of the posters here who work in ministry regularly have tried to express that fact, there is need.
Many groups, especially in bigger towns & cities don't have the luxury of turning people away based on gender.
Hi Lucy, yes women have to patient with this one and some men will never be won over.

Many years ago I found myself among a large assembly of Kellyite Brethren who are the strictest and most exclusive of the Brethrens but they sure liked what I was saying and invited me along for tea which is a great honour from them for they refuse to eat with folks they consider "wrong"

Of course their women were silent in the meetings.

I cracked during tea "however much the sisters are in submission during meeting it is perfectly plain to see who is in charge when they get you all home"

You could have heard a pin drop, there a moment of dead silence as they were not sure if I had not greatly insulted them. Then there was a perfect explosion of laughter.

In sharing with them the sisters loved to tell how during their bible meetings when the brethren will stand one by one and share their insight into scripture [by the Holy Spirit] they all said how before their spouses spoke the Holy Spirit always gave them the exact same insight.

I said that God does have a sense of humour and I asked them if they did not think maybe there was an ever so gentle reproof in it from the Lord. But they were so content to keep silence and so I didn't contradict too much. Unity of heart and mind is the most precious thing with God.

It was amazing how I was able to share the things of the Holy Ghost with those Breths.
 

Angela53510

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Angela, is husband standing for a he ore a she?

Husband definitely is a man, which I have already said on this this thread! This is specifically directed to men, in a culture where polygamy was accepted and practiced. Men were not to have more than one wife, the passage is self-explanatory.

So does it mean women should not be pastors? No! It means that Paul did not have to address the women on this issue, because polyandry (one woman, multiple husbands) was not a practice in Roman or Greek society, so God didn't have to set a rule for the women. They already had only one husband.

The fact that no male nouns or pronouns appear in the passage in Greek is extremely important. It means that men have been mistranslating this passage to suppress or limit women. It means certain people on this thread who constantly quote the KJV, which has been wrongly translated, therefore basically supporting their position with a lie!

Further, there are many other words translated wrong, punctuation in the wrong places, which again was King James forcing his translators to translate the way he wanted it, not the original Greek! Even the very late, corrupted manuscripts do not have male nouns or pronouns in these supposed passages which say man. Yet, somehow many Bibles have the masculine nouns and pronouns in their translations, which is not faithful or true to any of the Greek manuscripts!

My church has a woman as an assistant pastor, and she is so much better than our senior male pastor, who is a heretic. Our woman pastor has great theology, no "open theology" nonsense for her, like the man pastor preaches! Women are not excluded from being pastors and preachers anywhere in the Bible. There is no verse that says "women cannot be pastors!" In fact that opposite! As many have shown with. All the women God used in ministry.

Most of you men won't read what I write, nor simple explanations which rely on good exegesis of Greek, within the context of the verse. Instead, they rely on wrong English translations. Seriously, there is no point in me explaining how "authentein" which is translated "exercise authority" or even "usurp authority" is simply wrong. Yet they have "proven their point" by using a bad English translation! Authentein is a hapax legomena, only used once in the Greek NT. You can't compare it to other uses in Scripture. But you can look at the word "authority" all the other times Paul uses it to mean "authority over." Romans 13 uses the word "exousia" along with many other places. Authority = exousia! So why did Paul use a completely different and rare word in 1 Tim. 2:12. He uses an infinitive, authentein, not a verb and a noun. Contemporaneous readings reveal many possible meanings, but "to domineer" is the most common use.

Paul says a woman is not to domineer a man. That makes a lot of sense! Paul was writing to Timothy in Ephesus, which had the temple of Artemis or Diana, one of the 7 wonders of the world, the woman priestesses ran the city, and dominated the men. If these woman came to the church in Ephesus, and tried to boss everyone around, of course Paul would tell Timothy not to let the women dominate. Christians should never dominate one another. Rather, we all need to be mutually submissive, as Paul says in Ephesians.

"Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ." Eph 5:21

But, I tire of these obstinate men. They are not teachable, and their hearts are hard and legalistic. I know what God has called me to do. So I am doing it, regardless of the opinions of a few uneducated men!
 

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And I'm telling you God will not allow you to use His word in this way. Women can preach and they can pray, nor does Paul recognise male or female in the body of Christ.
You take the word out of context und use it like you wish. Do you really think this pleases God?
In their worth is no different between Male and Female in front of our heavenly father.
But in their responsibilitys. For to avoid this, you have to ignore scripture. What you are doing.
It is also not the question wether woman can preach ore can teach better ore not. Ore does not understand the scripture better ore not. I believe there is no different in the gender.
But it is not the womans responsibility to have authority about man. And the reason you find in genesis 2 and 3. ( along with having pain when giving birth)And this Paul simply repeat and confirm.
That the majority dont accept this, is no proof to be right.
 

Angela53510

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You did not identify the logical fallacy. I asked you twice to identify it. Instead you assume that mine was a loaded question. Now you insult me.

You may write like a you're a Southerner, but you certainly don't have the manners of one.

I don't thing Chef has the manners of a Christian! He is certainly not showing the kindness and love of God in any of his recent posts!
 

Major

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Yes, I agree with you. Btw i have Dr. Walvoords Comentarys for the OT and NT
As do I!

He is one of if not the very best on the Revelation and Daniel. I would place him and Dr. Dwight Pentecost at the top of any list.
 

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Thus far I have never heard anything coming from Dr. John Walvoord that I did not agree with.
A great theologian and someone who faithfully dispenses the gospel IMO.
He was the very BEST!

I had the privilege and honor to hear him speak several times and when he spoke, he was spell binding. I was afraid to blink my eyes for fear of missing something.
 

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I don't thing Chef has the manners of a Christian! He is certainly not showing the kindness and love of God in any of his recent posts!
LOL.......I would say that about several other people as well.
 

Major

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John Walvoord, From the Cemetary at Dallas Theological, that was started by (Lewis S. Chafer), the prodigy of Adulterer C.I. Scofield
David was an adulterer.
Moses was a murderer.
Paul was a murderer.

There has never been a better Christian servant that Dr. Walvoord my dear brother.
 

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Husband definitely is a man, which I have already said on this this thread! This is specifically directed to men, in a culture where polygamy was accepted and practiced. Men were not to have more than one wife, the passage is self-explanatory.

So does it mean women should not be pastors? No! It means that Paul did not have to address the women on this issue, because polyandry (one woman, multiple husbands) was not a practice in Roman or Greek society, so God didn't have to set a rule for the women. They already had only one husband.

The fact that no male nouns or pronouns appear in the passage in Greek is extremely important. It means that men have been mistranslating this passage to suppress or limit women. It means certain people on this thread who constantly quote the KJV, which has been wrongly translated, therefore basically supporting their position with a lie!

Further, there are many other words translated wrong, punctuation in the wrong places, which again was King James forcing his translators to translate the way he wanted it, not the original Greek! Even the very late, corrupted manuscripts do not have male nouns or pronouns in these supposed passages which say man. Yet, somehow many Bibles have the masculine nouns and pronouns in their translations, which is not faithful or true to any of the Greek manuscripts!

My church has a woman as an assistant pastor, and she is so much better than our senior male pastor, who is a heretic. Our woman pastor has great theology, no "open theology" nonsense for her, like the man pastor preaches! Women are not excluded from being pastors and preachers anywhere in the Bible. There is no verse that says "women cannot be pastors!" In fact that opposite! As many have shown with. All the women God used in ministry.

Most of you men won't read what I write, nor simple explanations which rely on good exegesis of Greek, within the context of the verse. Instead, they rely on wrong English translations. Seriously, there is no point in me explaining how "authentein" which is translated "exercise authority" or even "usurp authority" is simply wrong. Yet they have "proven their point" by using a bad English translation! Authentein is a hapax legomena, only used once in the Greek NT. You can't compare it to other uses in Scripture. But you can look at the word "authority" all the other times Paul uses it to mean "authority over." Romans 13 uses the word "exousia" along with many other places. Authority = exousia! So why did Paul use a completely different and rare word in 1 Tim. 2:12. He uses an infinitive, authentein, not a verb and a noun. Contemporaneous readings reveal many possible meanings, but "to domineer" is the most common use.

Paul says a woman is not to domineer a man. That makes a lot of sense! Paul was writing to Timothy in Ephesus, which had the temple of Artemis or Diana, one of the 7 wonders of the world, the woman priestesses ran the city, and dominated the men. If these woman came to the church in Ephesus, and tried to boss everyone around, of course Paul would tell Timothy not to let the women dominate. Christians should never dominate one another. Rather, we all need to be mutually submissive, as Paul says in Ephesians.

"Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ." Eph 5:21

But, I tire of these obstinate men. They are not teachable, and their hearts are hard and legalistic. I know what God has called me to do. So I am doing it, regardless of the opinions of a few uneducated men!
The Holy Spirit made no mistakes in the inspiration of the scriptures. The Holy Spirit was not swayed by the cultures of the times when scripture was inspired. Paul wrote what the Holy Spirit gave to him not what Paul thought was best for the times.

Women who desire to be pastors are rebels against God. These rebels refuse to be constrained by Gods word ever learning and continuously rejecting the truth.

For the cause of Christ
Roger