Literal Translating the Bible

[Hungry]

When it comes to understanding anything, typically more knowledge is better than less. I find that confusion arises when some read the Bible, because there are just too many opinions on what is written. Instead of following the masses to go along to get along, I dove in further. I examined every word for its literal meaning. Originally I was shocked. But the more I read, the more it made sense.

We are all guilty of confirmation bias. When we think we know something any new information lines up with preconceptions. It’s like starting a puzzle then putting some pieces where they don’t go. Then we try to fit the remaining pieces where we think they “fit”. Instead of realizing hey this doesn’t make sense, or that piece is a bit snug, we start manipulating the pieces, forcing them where they don’t belong.

I decided the accepted image put together by the church had too many forced pieces in wrong places and holes to correctly view the larger picture painted by scripture. It starts in Genesis.

First thing I noticed is this, “Lord God”, means Self Existent (Jehovah) of heavenly beings (Elohim). Elohim is plural meaning beings from the heavens. We are made in the image of elohim. This makes more sense when we read in Genesis 6 about the sons of elohim, seeing that daughters of men were pretty and took them as wives and impregnated them. Their offspring were mighty men. This takes place at the time of the giants. This story is exactly what is told in Greek mythology. Exactly! It is reiterated in Job when the sons of elohim gather.

If this literal translation accurately portrays scripture then it warrants further investigation. If heavenly angels, translates to messengers from outer space, which it does, then perhaps it sheds light on a few things. When I think of the battle of Armeggedon as a “space invasion”, it makes me wonder. Also it makes sense why Vatican built the largest infrared telescope in the world.

I’m curious about your thoughts. I know it’s a hard pill to swallow. I’m not making it up. This is what is clearly written.

 

[Truth7t7]

When it comes to understanding anything, typically more knowledge is better than less. I find that confusion arises when some read the Bible, because there are just too many opinions on what is written. Instead of following the masses to go along to get along, I dove in further. I examined every word for its literal meaning. Originally I was shocked. But the more I read, the more it made sense.

We are all guilty of confirmation bias. When we think we know something any new information lines up with preconceptions. It’s like starting a puzzle then putting some pieces where they don’t go. Then we try to fit the remaining pieces where we think they “fit”. Instead of realizing hey this doesn’t make sense, or that piece is a bit snug, we start manipulating the pieces, forcing them where they don’t belong.

I decided the accepted image put together by the church had too many forced pieces in wrong places and holes to correctly view the larger picture painted by scripture. It starts in Genesis.

First thing I noticed is this, “Lord God”, means Self Existent (Jehovah) of heavenly beings (Elohim). Elohim is plural meaning beings from the heavens. We are made in the image of elohim. This makes more sense when we read in Genesis 6 about the sons of elohim, seeing that daughters of men were pretty and took them as wives and impregnated them. Their offspring were mighty men. This takes place at the time of the giants. This story is exactly what is told in Greek mythology. Exactly! It is reiterated in Job when the sons of elohim gather.

If this literal translation accurately portrays scripture then it warrants further investigation. If heavenly angels, translates to messengers from outer space, which it does, then perhaps it sheds light on a few things. When I think of the battle of Armeggedon as a “space invasion”, it makes me wonder. Also it makes sense why Vatican built the largest infrared telescope in the world.

I’m curious about your thoughts. I know it’s a hard pill to swallow. I’m not making it up. This is what is clearly written.

Your Conclusion:

Battle Of Armageddon, Space Invasion, Vatican, Infared Telescope

 

[CS1]

When it comes to understanding anything, typically more knowledge is better than less. I find that confusion arises when some read the Bible, because there are just too many opinions on what is written. Instead of following the masses to go along to get along, I dove in further. I examined every word for its literal meaning. Originally I was shocked. But the more I read, the more it made sense.

We are all guilty of confirmation bias. When we think we know something any new information lines up with preconceptions. It’s like starting a puzzle then putting some pieces where they don’t go. Then we try to fit the remaining pieces where we think they “fit”. Instead of realizing hey this doesn’t make sense, or that piece is a bit snug, we start manipulating the pieces, forcing them where they don’t belong.

I decided the accepted image put together by the church had too many forced pieces in wrong places and holes to correctly view the larger picture painted by scripture. It starts in Genesis.

First thing I noticed is this, “Lord God”, means Self Existent (Jehovah) of heavenly beings (Elohim). Elohim is plural meaning beings from the heavens. We are made in the image of elohim. This makes more sense when we read in Genesis 6 about the sons of elohim, seeing that daughters of men were pretty and took them as wives and impregnated them. Their offspring were mighty men. This takes place at the time of the giants. This story is exactly what is told in Greek mythology. Exactly! It is reiterated in Job when the sons of elohim gather.

If this literal translation accurately portrays scripture then it warrants further investigation. If heavenly angels, translates to messengers from outer space, which it does, then perhaps it sheds light on a few things. When I think of the battle of Armeggedon as a “space invasion”, it makes me wonder. Also it makes sense why Vatican built the largest infrared telescope in the world.

I’m curious about your thoughts. I know it’s a hard pill to swallow. I’m not making it up. This is what is clearly written.

The word of God will stand the test of Time AS it has. For one to understand the word of God one only needs to have a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. WE can receive from faith studying of Gods word in a relationship with HIm enough for :

• Righteous Living
• appropriate worship
• wisdom and knowledge for this Life.

Every person can have this who has come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ men, women, young people, rich, poor.

And they will grow in the Grace and knowledge of the lord Meaning it is a long-term relationship, meant for ETERNITY and you will never stop growing AND KNOWING MORE ABOUT Jesus.

God is able to speak to each of us right where we currently ARE in the walk with HIM. Read John chapters 14-16

 

[SophieT]

Just in time for all the UFO info going to be released.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I examined every word for its literal meaning.

A totally literal translation would not be very helpful, since translation needs to be in idiomatic language. However a faithful, word-for-word translation (as much as possible) is quite acceptable, when it has added words separated from the actual text in italics (e.g. the King James Bible) and clearly distinguishable.

I am not sure what this has to do with what you are focused on. The Bible says "sons of God" and that is the literal translation of bene ha Elohim. That is a reference to angels.

 

[Hungry]

A totally literal translation would not be very helpful, since translation needs to be in idiomatic language. However a faithful, word-for-word translation (as much as possible) is quite acceptable, when it has added words separated from the actual text in italics (e.g. the King James Bible) and clearly distinguishable.

I am not sure what this has to do with what you are focused on. The Bible says "sons of God" and that is the literal translation of bene ha Elohim. That is a reference to angels.

Angel means messenger.

 

[crossnote]

A wall of bricks (literal translation) by themselves will not stand, it takes the mortar of the Holy Spirit to rightly place them.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Angel means messenger.

No one said it did not mean that. "Sons of God" in the OT also means angels. They are also called "watchers". They are also called "men". So what's your point? You want a literal translation, but you do not want the theological implications.

 

[Truth7t7]

No one said it did not mean that. "Sons of God" in the OT also means angels. They are also called "watchers". They are also called "men". So what's your point? You want a literal translation, but you do not want the theological implications.

Sons of God doesn't mean Angel's

Here we go again with Chuck Misslers false teaching of the Nephilim

Angel's don't procreate with humans, off topic

 

[Hungry]

Sons of God doesn't mean Angel's

Here we go again with Chuck Misslers false teaching of the Nephilim

Angel's don't procreate with humans, off topic

Let’s all agree on a term to differentiate messenger (angel), which doesn’t automatically imply elohim (heavenly beings). Now just read what is wrote. The Bible doesn’t say we were created in the image of Jehovah. It says we were created in the image of elohim. This translates to gods, beings from the heavens. Today we would call a being from the heavens an extra terrestrial. That’s what is literally written. Sons of elohim would imply ETs. Here’s what I mean about omitting information to satisfy confirmation bias. One of the overwhelming reports about people being abducted by ETs is that they are making hybrids. You can’t tell me that some of the art and archeological findings don’t point to possible hybridization. People that are larger than normal, taller than normal, misshapen skulls.... I think rejecting the possibility that the Bible means what it says, eliminates answering many questions honestly and accurately. Possibly every question. The Bible is only one of many ancient texts that refers to “star people” who mated with humans, producing gifted offspring. Even some of the reports about people being “spirited” out of their rooms during abductions, exactly describes Peter being busted out of jail by an “angel”.

I’m not starting a new religion or rewriting the Bible. All I’m saying is that when you look at the big picture, what is written in the Bible may turn out to be more like Hollywood science fiction than a Michael Angelo painting.

Here is my fear. Christ describes the end of the age like the Sumerians describe the passing of Nibiru. Now, in the wake of all that destruction written in Rev. 6, would it be possible that the world submits and unites under an alien saviour. Is this the great deception, that fools even the elite? Is the Dragon or the false messiah even human, or visually non-human?

 

[p_rehbein]

F.Y.I.

Bible Dictionaries - Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology - Angel

Angel [E]

Superhuman or heavenly being who serves as God's messenger. Both the Hebrew malak [J; 'm] and the Greek angelos [a [ggelo"] indicate that these beings also act decisively in fulfilling God's will in the world. But these two terms also apply to human beings as messengers ( 1 Kings 19:2 ; Hag 1:13 ; Luke 7:24 ). "Angels" are mentioned almost three hundred times in Scripture, and are only noticeably absent from books such as Ruth, Nehemiah, Esther, the letters of John, and James.

The correct definition is............that SERVES as God's messenger............not DEFINED as a messenger

 

[Truth7t7]

Let’s all agree on a term to differentiate messenger (angel), which doesn’t automatically imply elohim (heavenly beings). Now just read what is wrote. The Bible doesn’t say we were created in the image of Jehovah. It says we were created in the image of elohim. This translates to gods, beings from the heavens. Today we would call a being from the heavens an extra terrestrial. That’s what is literally written. Sons of elohim would imply ETs. Here’s what I mean about omitting information to satisfy confirmation bias. One of the overwhelming reports about people being abducted by ETs is that they are making hybrids. You can’t tell me that some of the art and archeological findings don’t point to possible hybridization. People that are larger than normal, taller than normal, misshapen skulls.... I think rejecting the possibility that the Bible means what it says, eliminates answering many questions honestly and accurately. Possibly every question. The Bible is only one of many ancient texts that refers to “star people” who mated with humans, producing gifted offspring. Even some of the reports about people being “spirited” out of their rooms during abductions, exactly describes Peter being busted out of jail by an “angel”.

I’m not starting a new religion or rewriting the Bible. All I’m saying is that when you look at the big picture, what is written in the Bible may turn out to be more like Hollywood science fiction than a Michael Angelo painting.

Here is my fear. Christ describes the end of the age like the Sumerians describe the passing of Nibiru. Now, in the wake of all that destruction written in Rev. 6, would it be possible that the world submits and unites under an alien saviour. Is this the great deception, that fools even the elite? Is the Dragon or the false messiah even human, or visually non-human?

It appears that your belief is outside of my bible, discussing your beliefs of ET's and making hybrids, Big Smiles

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

If you think you've discovered a sci-fi novel the Hebrew text it's an indicator you are moving into an area of deception.

 

[oyster67]

I liked and agreed with this part:

It’s like starting a puzzle then putting some pieces where they don’t go. Then we try to fit the remaining pieces where we think they “fit”. Instead of realizing hey this doesn’t make sense, or that piece is a bit snug, we start manipulating the pieces, forcing them where they don’t belong.

I decided the accepted image put together by the church had too many forced pieces in wrong places and holes to correctly view the larger picture painted by scripture.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Sons of God doesn't mean Angel's

Of course it means angels in the Old Testament (not in the NT). Angels, being direct creations of God, are "sons of God". Also they are far higher and stronger than humans, and free from human limitations. But the angels which sinned, or left their first estate, had unlawful unions with human women, and their offspring were giants (Nephilim) and men of renown, Now those angels are chained in Tartarus. So you must ask yourself "Why is a group of angels imprisoned in Tartarus, while others are still fee?" And it will lead you back to the time of Noah.

 

[Hungry]

If you think you've discovered a sci-fi novel the Hebrew text it's an indicator you are moving into an area of deception.

If your statement means that I think the Old Testament is fictitious then perhaps I wasn’t clear. I simply pointed out that the words used and translated today would be extra-terrestrial for elohim (gods) which means a heavenly being. Where do you think “the heavens” mean? It literally means the heavens, the sky, outer space...extra-terrestrial. The “heavenly angel” encounters in scripture sound close to ET encounters today. If somebody wrote a novel about ETs, you would find it in the Sci-fi section, probably not faith based section.

 

[Truth7t7]

If your statement means that I think the Old Testament is fictitious then perhaps I wasn’t clear. I simply pointed out that the words used and translated today would be extra-terrestrial for elohim (gods) which means a heavenly being. Where do you think “the heavens” mean? It literally means the heavens, the sky, outer space...extra-terrestrial. The “heavenly angel” encounters in scripture sound close to ET encounters today. If somebody wrote a novel about ETs, you would find it in the Sci-fi section, probably not faith based section.

Are you Mormon by chance, they place a great deal on the name Elohim?

 

[Hungry]

It appears that your belief is outside of my bible, discussing your beliefs of ET's and making hybrids, Big Smiles

Genesis 6:4 KJVS
[4] There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

If this isn’t in your Bible, you might be reading the wrong Bible. The literal translation for “sons of God” is “the sons of elohim” which is plural for gods; heavenly beings. Today we wouldn’t say a being from the heavens (sky/outer space), we would say “extra-terrestrial”; not from earth.

The Bible states we were made in the image of “elohim”, which means extra-terrestrials. Literally, that’s what it says without exaggeration or reaching.

“And God (elohim; gods; heavenly beings; ETs) said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”

Is this inside your Bible?

 

[JaumeJ]

Elohim originally meant might ones. El, mighty one. Elohanu, our mighty one. Elohim mighty ones.

This term was used for any god, generically. It came in use by the Hebrews as what we would call, God.

Zephaniah 3:9 tells us of the name to be given to all nations in a pure tonge in order for all peoples to call upon Him with one name in one accord.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

If your statement means that I think the Old Testament is fictitious then perhaps I wasn’t clear. I simply pointed out that the words used and translated today would be extra-terrestrial for elohim (gods) which means a heavenly being. Where do you think “the heavens” mean? It literally means the heavens, the sky, outer space...extra-terrestrial. The “heavenly angel” encounters in scripture sound close to ET encounters today. If somebody wrote a novel about ETs, you would find it in the Sci-fi section, probably not faith based section.

No, I didn't think you were dismissing it as fiction.
I was warning you.

Elohim inhabits more than our space-time dimensions. He is not extra-terrestrial in nature.
Yes, what we call "outer space" is part of the lower heavens. This is not a big mystery among Christians.
There is a lot of deception circulating, focussed on "alien theories"
These are spiritual deceptions.

You are far from the first person to study the deeper meanings of ancient Hebrew of the Biblical texts.
These have been studied intensely for centuries.
Don't wander into a web of deception.