Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??

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Tell me: Why would Adam's creation prior to Eve's have any bearing whatsoever on a woman's ability to lead, teach, or preach?

Don't use 1 Timothy 2:9-15 in your answer; that would be circular reasoning. Explain WHY Paul uses that argument.
I said it is not the matter of ability to lead,teach ore preach.

The Holy Spirit gave Paul what to write.
 

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I said it is not the matter of ability to lead,teach ore preach.

The Holy Spirit gave Paul what to write.
if the Ability is given by the Holy Spirit it Does. You do know the ability to teach is from the Holy Spirit right? In context to the gifts of Christ found in Eph 4 known as the didōmi
 

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if the Ability is given by the Holy Spirit it Does. You do know the ability to teach is from the Holy Spirit right? In context to the gifts of Christ found in Eph 4 known as the didōmi
Many people can speak and teach and lead very well without beeing a child of God.
The ability for a woman in teaching leading preaching is no qualification for to be an pastor.
But this is realy not the point.
Bible says, ore should I say, God says clear, its man duty and responsibility.
 

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Many people can speak and teach and lead very well without beeing a child of God.
The ability for a woman in teaching leading preaching is no qualification for to be an pastor.
But this is realy not the point.
Bible says, ore should I say, God says clear, its man duty and responsibility.
Well first off, a pastor is not the only office where preaching and teaching is needed nor is it the only place a woman has to be to teach or preach. And as a Child of God, a woman can most certainly teach and preach without hold the office of a Pastor.
 

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Well first off, a pastor is not the only office where preaching and teaching is needed nor is it the only place a woman has to be to teach or preach. And as a Child of God, a woman can most certainly teach and preach without hold the office of a Pastor.
This thread theme is: are Woman Pastors biblical?? Thats why I am talking from beeing Pastor. And thats clear a NO.
Of course woman is allowed to teach, preach and lead, but not as an Pastor.
 

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This thread theme is: are Woman Pastors biblical?? Thats why I am talking from beeing Pastor. And thats clear a NO.
Of course woman is allowed to teach, preach and lead, but not as an Pastor.
it says 1tim 2:11

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I (paul ) suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

it doesn't say a women is not to be a Pastor here in 1 tim 2:11 it says Paul said " I suffer not a women to teach.

And the women is to learn in silence right? what is she learning and what for?

When a Pastor is preaching who the authority is he usurping? OR Is the word of God the only authority?
 

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Yes, I understand that. However, you have not come anywhere near answering my question.
You asking me to explain why Paul wrote this? You have not to ask me. If this answer dont satisfy you. What can I do?
 

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it says 1tim 2:11

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I (paul ) suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

it doesn't say a women is not to be a Pastor here in 1 tim 2:11 it says Paul said " I suffer not a women to teach.

And the women is to learn in silence right? what is she learning and what for?

When a Pastor is preaching who the authority is he usurping? OR Is the word of God the only authority?
Thats right, this vers is nothing saying about to be a Pastor.
For that you have to read 1.Tim, 3.
 

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Thats right, this vers is nothing saying about to be a Pastor.
For that you have to read 1.Tim, 3.
1 Tim 3 ?

This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money,[fn] but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; 4 one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence 5 (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); 6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
Qualifications of Deacons
8 Likewise deacons must be reverent, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy for money, 9 holding the mystery of the faith with a pure conscience. 10 But let these also first be tested; then let them serve as deacons, being found blameless. 11 Likewise, their wives must be reverent, not slanderers, temperate, faithful in all things. 12 Let deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 13 For those who have served well as deacons obtain for themselves a good standing and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
The Great Mystery
14 These things I write to you, though I hope to come to you shortly; 15 but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:

God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.


Can you Please show where in this chapter it says Women cannot be Pastor? I don't see it?
 

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Just say you don't know LOL.
Serious? I have already said because the Holy Spirit told Paul to wrote it down.
But this is not sufficent for you. I am not God. For shure he has his reason.
But I suppose this is to less for you to accept. So then I cant help you. The word is clear. Only believe it.
 

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Serious? I have already said because the Holy Spirit told Paul to wrote it down.
But this is not sufficent for you. I am not God. For shure he has his reason.
But I suppose this is to less for you to accept. So then I cant help you. The word is clear. Only believe it.
excuse me I read chapter 3 of 1tim

And I do not see where it says Women cannot be a Pastor Please show me where it states that?

Thank you
 

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Serious? I have already said because the Holy Spirit told Paul to wrote it down.
But this is not sufficent for you. I am not God. For shure he has his reason.
But I suppose this is to less for you to accept. So then I cant help you. The word is clear. Only believe it.
I say the same thing about gifts of the Spirit too only believe it. lol
 

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1 Tim 3 ?

This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money,[fn] but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; 4 one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence 5 (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); 6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
Qualifications of Deacons
8 Likewise deacons must be reverent, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy for money, 9 holding the mystery of the faith with a pure conscience. 10 But let these also first be tested; then let them serve as deacons, being found blameless. 11 Likewise, their wives must be reverent, not slanderers, temperate, faithful in all things. 12 Let deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 13 For those who have served well as deacons obtain for themselves a good standing and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
The Great Mystery
14 These things I write to you, though I hope to come to you shortly; 15 but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:

God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.


Can you Please show where in this chapter it says Women cannot be Pastor? I don't see it?
Can a woman be bishop/ eldest? This is what we today call Pastor.
Can a woman be husband of a wife?