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Well... After reading this over since where it was last night, I don't really have much else to say. I guess just a few clarifications.
@Ramon.
There is no double standard in my being anti-violence and anti-hate, and finding what Hitler and Saddam did to be disgusting. Is that not a natural reaction? I believe disgust should be everyone's feelings as they study the horrors brought on by these regimes. Also, please don't assume I will believe as you do in the future, it really isn't going to happen.
@InitialConditions
I'm not actually a Christian, as you referenced me to be, I understand though, it is a Christian site. Thank you for arguing that we atheists are not lacking of any intelligence or intellectual honesty. However, even though technically I am materialistic, the most important "materials" to me feel as much more than that thanks to the natural makeup of a human. Those who i can still call my family, and then everyone beyond them too, sure I only believe they are physical existences and nothing more, but they aren't considered mere objects nor treated that way. I'm sure you realize this, but I'd like to throw out the whole "atheists see people as objects and they have no morals to treat them well!" mindset against atheists for anyone else who may be reading.
@Ramon.
There is no double standard in my being anti-violence and anti-hate, and finding what Hitler and Saddam did to be disgusting. Is that not a natural reaction? I believe disgust should be everyone's feelings as they study the horrors brought on by these regimes. Also, please don't assume I will believe as you do in the future, it really isn't going to happen.
@InitialConditions
I'm not actually a Christian, as you referenced me to be, I understand though, it is a Christian site. Thank you for arguing that we atheists are not lacking of any intelligence or intellectual honesty. However, even though technically I am materialistic, the most important "materials" to me feel as much more than that thanks to the natural makeup of a human. Those who i can still call my family, and then everyone beyond them too, sure I only believe they are physical existences and nothing more, but they aren't considered mere objects nor treated that way. I'm sure you realize this, but I'd like to throw out the whole "atheists see people as objects and they have no morals to treat them well!" mindset against atheists for anyone else who may be reading.
I think I should be put in charge... then you can all watch as I remove all nuclear weapons and start a world wide convential conflict 
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Ramon
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My friend, I don't assume, I pray. And I pray that the Lord will minister to your heart. The thing is this:
There are many people who are soon to judge Hitler or Saddam or Obama for that matter, men who did very wicked things indeed, but God is more righteous than people, his judgement is far more widespread, because he judges not only the things we do and say, but the condition of our hearts. I see many people who do good things for people, but when things go wrong for them they are offended. Even the nicest people will corrupt themselves in the time that is coming. I see a BIG difference, even though it may look like two nice people, one with Jesus in their life and the other not. But the latter will not withstand the judgement of God.
I see a lot of nice people try to do away with terrorism and accomplish nothing. But God will do away with it all. He is SOOOO patient, and wise. For this very reason Christians are and will be killed, because we stand for justice and fairness DESPITE what governments and what authorities say. But simply nice people might cower because of a lack of hope that ONLY comes with Jesus. So we are less fearful than the worse sinner, though we are like sheep, harmless as doves. And the greatest man to over live, who did NOTHING but good things and healed the sick and raised the dead, was killed brutally by his very own people. But he did this for a far greater reason than I have yet figured out.
So I will continue to pray, and always remember that THERE IS NO CONDEMNATION TO THOSE WHO ARE IN CHRIST WHO WALK AFTER THE SPIRIT AND NOT AFTER THE FLESH
May Jesus bless you.
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Ramon
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Hmm. I wonder why I didn't catch that. I really don't know how that ended up in there. I can't change it now though. oops.
I meant Hitler and Saddam. But I meant of these three that people judge so soon according to outside...
Ya know I will just leave it has it is.
You're basically making a proud and offensive assumption here. You're saying that : Nice people do good, but when things go wrong for them they become nasty, however nice people with Jesus are better than that. And how exactly are we going to corrupt ourselves? We plan on doing as little wrong to others as possible for our whole lives, what makes you so sure we're going to back out on that?
Are you saying we shouldn't try to stop terrorism? That we shouldn't try to save innocents from violence and murder? Just because you think god will do away with this whole world soon? I'm unsure if that's what you mean or not, but it is a dangerous standpoint, we need to do everything we can to improve the condition of this world we all live in.
Couple things here... In no way would Jesus be executed in a modern first world country. We're better than that now, we have freedom of speech, our society today is far superior to that of the ancient world and I'm glad we've managed to progress this far, though there is still much work to be done. Also, if Christians were being killed for their beliefs, it would be by another religion, but I assure you, you would have very much support from the non-religious community. That and Christians are killed for being Christians far less than a huge number of other demographics. Other people are hated much more.
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Ugly
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Most of your posts are psuedo spiritual self righteous babblings, and after your rude response that i have quoted i didn't waste my time with anything else you wrote. nor will i in the future.
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KnightdeKhristos
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The government is too complex to be run by the 10 commandments. Without the current constitution, we will face many issues related to education, foreign policy, citizenship, etc.
Ramon you are a self obsessed, self absorbed, ignorant, arrogant person you twist the words of the Bible and the words of other people to fit in with you're own messed up agendas and theories. You cannot be proven wrong no matter what other people say.
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Ramon
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As for Jesus, you have executed him already in your heart. And many people would kill him today again if he were here, as the same violence against him is done against his servants.
No person other than Jesus Christ will do away with terrorism. This world is going to get worse, and neither you nor any government nor any enforcement of laws and amendments to laws will do. Satan is behind it all and ONLY the Lord God can do away with evil. You consider yourself a good person, but according the standard of God you are not so good. If you have ever broken any of those commandments you are doomed for hell, UNLESS, you are forgiven, then you are pardoned. This is how it works.
As I said before, which I am not reluctant to say again, being nice isn't enough to get you into heaven. You must accept Jesus as Lord and savior and obey him.
Now back to the ten commandments:...
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Ramon
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Um yes it does provide freedoms and governing guides. It gives ALL men freedom to love each other and liberty to treat each other freely.
The issue is, the people who established these laws were wicked people. But God is not wicked, thus his standard is higher.
Maybe you are offended because of such a high standard. Maybe you think it is too harsh? There are only ten, and no one has kept them but Jesus, is that so hard?
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Ramon
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If it is self-righteous to speak of the Righteousness of Jesus Christ then call me what you will. As for that post, I apologize. May Jesus bless you.
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Ramon
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Nope. Not needed. If people could keep those ten then they would have no need for the constitution. How can men determine my rights, much less what is right. Only God can determine and establish a right and fair and just law, because he has no iniquity in him. Men fail.
They say they promise you Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness right:
So Thou shalt not kill
Thou shalt not steal
Thou shalt not commit adultery
Thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbor
Thou shalt not covet of your neighbors house nor anything that is his.
But which is superior?
What if it makes someone happy to kill someone, is that good?
What if I am liberated to steal what I want?
And men can't promise me life. Pffft.
Oh wait these have to be amended because there are special cases right? Go figure. And that is what the constitution does, from special case to special case. If it is so perfect, why does it have to be amended? Go figure.
BUT JESUS IS THE END OF THE LAW TO ALL WHO BELIEVE AND OBEY HIM!! BY LOVE HE ESTABLISHED THE GOOD LAW.
May Jesus bless you.
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Deadflesh
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No ramon. The 10 Commandments where for the Israelites. There wouldnt be LAW if there wasnt SIN. God wouldnt have ahd to tell the Isrraelites to STOP idolatry, and STOP, murder, adn lies...etc...if they werent allready doing it. And as PAul correctly said, LAW just breeds more SIN, becasue if you havent noticed the minute you tell someone they CANT do somethign..they go and do it.
That Said, JESUS, INSIDE THE HOLY SPIRIT you automaitcaly follow the comandments...all of them. If you love(obey) God(in his words through Jesus) then you WILL love your brothers and sisters. If you love your brothers adn sisters, you WILL obey GOd. its ALL summed up in those. and its aLL summed up walking IN the spirit.
So I say to Christians. Deny self, repent of Self, and ask for Jesus to come into your heart and change you 100% and then CONTINUE in obedience.
And I say to Unchristians, Follow Jesus truly, he is the only way out of this world. this world is hell(prison, death), and becomming the lake of Fire more and more everyday. JESUS is LIFE and he is Joy and he is LOVE and peace. but ONLY in the spirit of the MOST high God, not in the works of the WORLD.
and I say to You Brother, Ramon, The 10 Comandments as the law of this country would be bad. it waould make thigns worse. this world will never be law abiding...it cant the fahter of Lawlessness and Lies, and sin is its king at the moment. Besides the fact that America was NEVER a christian Country...not christian in as far as how the New testement puts it. (and actually almost all the founding fathers, and all the presedents we ahve had, are Diests...they deny Christ.) America was never a Christian Country and CAN never be one. and if ALL of this country became Born again, TRULY filled with the Spirit, the next day the world would bomb us int peices...haha AMEN! Anyway....Cant happen. And The 10 comandments are NOT goign to help anything, nor would seven comandments(noahide laws) nor would the buddist comandments, or hindu ones, or new age "LOVE" everybody, hippy comandments...becasue really its not love anyway. Love means you stop at nothing to make sure that person lives for ever. And you can ONLY live forever if you are Bornagain of the Spirit of GOD, adn that is ONLY possible if you Beleive that JESUS CHRIST IS LORD, adn LORD means he owns you, adn you do what he says.
And Ramon, as you know when you obey the Lord he reveals himself to you, shows yo who he is, and then MORE of your cup(that is your fleshly vessle) gets fileld with JESUS, and you feel his presence MORE adn THAT is the most amazing fealing in all the world.
Anyway... im ranting....I love all you guys. Jesus is ALL that truly matters. LOVE IS CHRIST. and Sometimes LOVE has to pull your hair, and beat you in the head and yell at you(not phyiscaly, Spiritualy...please...hahah dont beat nobody)
LOVE is making sure EVERYONE you know hears the gosepl of Jesus Christ. IF you deny self follow, and OBEY Jesus, and then teach others to do the same...Then THAT is LOVE. Jesus bless you Ramon. and Jesus bless you all the rest.
That Said, JESUS, INSIDE THE HOLY SPIRIT you automaitcaly follow the comandments...all of them. If you love(obey) God(in his words through Jesus) then you WILL love your brothers and sisters. If you love your brothers adn sisters, you WILL obey GOd. its ALL summed up in those. and its aLL summed up walking IN the spirit.
So I say to Christians. Deny self, repent of Self, and ask for Jesus to come into your heart and change you 100% and then CONTINUE in obedience.
And I say to Unchristians, Follow Jesus truly, he is the only way out of this world. this world is hell(prison, death), and becomming the lake of Fire more and more everyday. JESUS is LIFE and he is Joy and he is LOVE and peace. but ONLY in the spirit of the MOST high God, not in the works of the WORLD.
and I say to You Brother, Ramon, The 10 Comandments as the law of this country would be bad. it waould make thigns worse. this world will never be law abiding...it cant the fahter of Lawlessness and Lies, and sin is its king at the moment. Besides the fact that America was NEVER a christian Country...not christian in as far as how the New testement puts it. (and actually almost all the founding fathers, and all the presedents we ahve had, are Diests...they deny Christ.) America was never a Christian Country and CAN never be one. and if ALL of this country became Born again, TRULY filled with the Spirit, the next day the world would bomb us int peices...haha AMEN! Anyway....Cant happen. And The 10 comandments are NOT goign to help anything, nor would seven comandments(noahide laws) nor would the buddist comandments, or hindu ones, or new age "LOVE" everybody, hippy comandments...becasue really its not love anyway. Love means you stop at nothing to make sure that person lives for ever. And you can ONLY live forever if you are Bornagain of the Spirit of GOD, adn that is ONLY possible if you Beleive that JESUS CHRIST IS LORD, adn LORD means he owns you, adn you do what he says.
And Ramon, as you know when you obey the Lord he reveals himself to you, shows yo who he is, and then MORE of your cup(that is your fleshly vessle) gets fileld with JESUS, and you feel his presence MORE adn THAT is the most amazing fealing in all the world.
Anyway... im ranting....I love all you guys. Jesus is ALL that truly matters. LOVE IS CHRIST. and Sometimes LOVE has to pull your hair, and beat you in the head and yell at you(not phyiscaly, Spiritualy...please...hahah dont beat nobody)
LOVE is making sure EVERYONE you know hears the gosepl of Jesus Christ. IF you deny self follow, and OBEY Jesus, and then teach others to do the same...Then THAT is LOVE. Jesus bless you Ramon. and Jesus bless you all the rest.
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Ramon
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Amen my friend. Very right indeed. He is right. That would be a bad idea, because people are too evil to keep them. I had hope though. We need to truly follow Jesus and not the law as according to the flesh.
May Jesus bless you all.
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Sure, then we can stone everyone who fails to keep them until we are all dead.
The US Constitution isn't followed anymore anyway...
"The Last Nail in the Coffin of the American Republic:" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsLf_IocQEE