The banishment of Adam and Eve
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so we, with the veil taken away, hear the books of Moses read, and behold in them the glory of the Lord. 
but OK, pick a page - and let's see if we can't find Christ testified of in it?
but OK, pick a page - and let's see if we can't find Christ testified of in it?
Obviously a glorified body. It would be humorous if it wasn’t so sad that you discount brothers in Christ because they have a different take on a story told 4000 years ago about an event supposedly 6000 years ago. You are aware that it is faith in the Word (Logos, the Christ, Son of the Most High God, Yeshua) not the word (the collection of ancient writings, written by inspired fallible men, translated by other fallible men, then taught by more fallible men and learned by us...fallible men). Even if there was a talking snake and fruit that opens the mind teaching what is good and evil, it wouldn’t change the fact that I have accepted Christ as my Lord and His blood sacrifice as my sin offering. I am a branch grafted on to the Vine. I am in Christ, His Body. One day there will be no more debates. Your assurance that you are correct and I am less than you will be dismissed. My question is, how many babes in Christ will you beat up until then? How many seedlings will you personally pluck from the dry soil in stead of water? This fact remains: we serve an Almighty Father who teaches with parables and metaphors almost exclusively. Rendering me a blasphemer because I prayed for clarity in the Spirit to Our Heavenly Father who explained it to me as I stated is not only judging me. It’s judging the authenticity of every believer who has gone before me who prays to Jehovah.
The doors were closed, but they didn't prevent Jesus from coming in and standing in the midst of them. This may be a lesson taught with a metaphor of a shut door.
Shut doors are an obstruction to us from Jesus. The parable of the 10 virgins, specifically the 5 foolish ones that hadn't oil, the door was shut on them and they could not enter. They asked the Lord to open the door to them.
Jesus can open a shut door and enter even if the door is locked.
I look at that incident in John 20:19 as symbolic of how nothing, no amount of fear or ignorance/unbelief, can separate us from God's love as Jesus will walk through any shut door he pleases. And that he will walk through our closed doors and declare peace unto us ...
What's the argument about whether the door was locked or not or whether he materialized from thin air? What does it matter?
Shut doors are an obstruction to us from Jesus. The parable of the 10 virgins, specifically the 5 foolish ones that hadn't oil, the door was shut on them and they could not enter. They asked the Lord to open the door to them.
Jesus can open a shut door and enter even if the door is locked.
I look at that incident in John 20:19 as symbolic of how nothing, no amount of fear or ignorance/unbelief, can separate us from God's love as Jesus will walk through any shut door he pleases. And that he will walk through our closed doors and declare peace unto us ...
What's the argument about whether the door was locked or not or whether he materialized from thin air? What does it matter?
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Two punishments were given out by God for disobeying Him: 1.) They were cursed. 2.) They were banished from the Garden of Eden. God tells Adam that he can freely eat of every tree of the garden except from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. God says that if he eats from it, "he will surely die." The Bible doesn't tell us exactly how Eve knew of this tree and God's command concerning it. Since the husband is head over the household, Adam may have taken the responsibility of telling her what God has said. Eve told the serpent, "God said we shall not eat of it." Adam and Eve may have already known, intellectually, the difference between good and evil because of God's command. They knew it was right to eat from certain trees and wrong to eat from another. When they made the choice to disobey God, they knew evil experientially, because they themselves made the choice to sin against God. Most biblical scholars and church leaders teach that the reason for Adam and Eve's banishment was because they disobeyed God when they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. This isn't the reason.
Genesis 3:6 "....she took of the fruit and did eat and gave also to her husband with her, and he did eat." Eve sinned first, being deceived of the serpent. But, Adam having knowingly sinned, is responsible for the fall of Mankind. Adam may have known the consequences of their sin but still chose to disobey God.
1 Timothy 2:14 "Adam was not deceived", he knowingly committed sin. The beginning of the fall of Mankind.
Genesis 3:22-24 Could this be the sole reason for banishing Adam and Eve from the Garden. "Lest he put forth his hand and also take of the tree of life, and live forever.......therefore the Lord of God sent him forth from the Garden of Eden."
The Two Trees
Something that many overlook is that the story mentions two trees. The tree of knowledge is what people most distinctively remember about that story. The other of course, is the tree of life. Both trees were special. One gave knowledge. The other, had some role in maintaining life to Adam and Eve and possibly to the animals as well.
The Curse
The banishment of Adam and Eve was one punishment. The other was that they were cursed. For the man, since he was head of the household, he will constantly feel the pressures and struggles for providing for his family, working and being responsible for his family's well-being. For the woman, her "sorrows" or birth pangs God multiplied in physical pain. Her desire would be to her husband. This desire could be a physical desire toward him or a natural desire to submit to his leadership and role in the household. Some believe that this "desire" could be conflicting as to not being willing to submit to him.
"And the Lord God said, behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever." God drove Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden, away from the tree of life, so that they could not eat from it. So, this banishment was so that they couldn't eat from it again. The tree of life is guarded by Angels and it is by God's will that anyone will ever have access to it again.
Adam "knowingly" committed sin. It is most likely that he knew the consequences of their actions and yet still committed sin. Adam loved his wife so much, that he joined her in sin. Gentlemen, do we love our wives this much?
Genesis 3:6 "....she took of the fruit and did eat and gave also to her husband with her, and he did eat." Eve sinned first, being deceived of the serpent. But, Adam having knowingly sinned, is responsible for the fall of Mankind. Adam may have known the consequences of their sin but still chose to disobey God.
1 Timothy 2:14 "Adam was not deceived", he knowingly committed sin. The beginning of the fall of Mankind.
Genesis 3:22-24 Could this be the sole reason for banishing Adam and Eve from the Garden. "Lest he put forth his hand and also take of the tree of life, and live forever.......therefore the Lord of God sent him forth from the Garden of Eden."
The Two Trees
Something that many overlook is that the story mentions two trees. The tree of knowledge is what people most distinctively remember about that story. The other of course, is the tree of life. Both trees were special. One gave knowledge. The other, had some role in maintaining life to Adam and Eve and possibly to the animals as well.
The Curse
The banishment of Adam and Eve was one punishment. The other was that they were cursed. For the man, since he was head of the household, he will constantly feel the pressures and struggles for providing for his family, working and being responsible for his family's well-being. For the woman, her "sorrows" or birth pangs God multiplied in physical pain. Her desire would be to her husband. This desire could be a physical desire toward him or a natural desire to submit to his leadership and role in the household. Some believe that this "desire" could be conflicting as to not being willing to submit to him.
"And the Lord God said, behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever." God drove Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden, away from the tree of life, so that they could not eat from it. So, this banishment was so that they couldn't eat from it again. The tree of life is guarded by Angels and it is by God's will that anyone will ever have access to it again.
Adam "knowingly" committed sin. It is most likely that he knew the consequences of their actions and yet still committed sin. Adam loved his wife so much, that he joined her in sin. Gentlemen, do we love our wives this much?
have you considered the principle of faith ? The difference in hearing something and hearing and believing something ? I would say that Adam didn’t believe what God said even though he heard it . And this lack of faith left room for another idea to believe in and led the world astray
much like we do today with christs word faith is what brings life and breaking faith brings death if they had believed what God said about the fruit neither would have eaten and if we were to believe the things Christ says about sin and repentance we would also stop feeding on the poison fruit and start eating the bread of life and drinking the living waters of the gospel
Are you a babe, a seedling in the Lord? Babes and seedlings take God's Word at face value and don't count critical portions of Scripture (Gen 3) as metaphor and then cling to that false notion after being corrected. Please don't play the 'Babe' card when you're not a babe in the Lord.
Right, no more debates as we will see Him face to face...unless of course, that too is a metaphor.
Right, no more debates as we will see Him face to face...unless of course, that too is a metaphor.
Adam was not deceived. So either he heard and believed God but sinned willfully any ways, or what the Bible says is wrong.
I choose option A
I choose option A
my point is that Eve was deceived and Adam sinned because Adam simply had what God said , and then eves word about the fruit she wasn’t deceiving Adam she was tempting him it’s different to be deceived and to be tempted
the soirée of adams sin was that he failed to believe Gods word, this would have kept him from committing sin . I do. It in any way think Adam knowingly committed suicide because Eve transgressed . Because Adam loves her so 🙂
sin is a result of a deception it doesn’t mean we were deceived it means we follow a deception while the truth is before us because it sounds better to
Our flesh to “eat the fruit “
surely Adam sinned , surely Eve was beguiled but they were one either way. Neither of them had faith in Gods word or they never would have eaten the fruit it’s the same for us if we believe the fruit. Won’t hurt us well keep
Eating it . If we accept the truth that it’s poison to the soul we will stop eating it
I don’t think Adam sinned out of love for Eve and committed suicide I think he sinned because it felt better to believe the fruit was something good for them sometimes believing what sounds better tomoir flesh is the sire sign it’s the wrong thing
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While Adam was not deceived and he did eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil ... fruit God had commanded Adam to not eat ... we do not know whether the Adam ate because he was following the instruction in Gen 2:24 - therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Once Eve had eaten and Adam knew she had eaten, Adam should have waited for God and he should not have tried to rely on self.
Or, it could be just as you say and Adam figured "it felt better to believe the fruit was something good for them".
All these years later, we think we know and it just might be that we don't as there was the Gen 2:24 factor which weighed on Adam's mind/heart.
And Jesus confirmed the Gen 2:24 commandment in Matt 19:
Matthew 19:
3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made [them] at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Once Eve had eaten and Adam knew she had eaten, Adam should have waited for God and he should not have tried to rely on self.
Or, it could be just as you say and Adam figured "it felt better to believe the fruit was something good for them".
All these years later, we think we know and it just might be that we don't as there was the Gen 2:24 factor which weighed on Adam's mind/heart.
And Jesus confirmed the Gen 2:24 commandment in Matt 19:
Matthew 19:
3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made [them] at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
The Greek text only uses the Greek word for shut, not locked.
Joh 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
G2808
κλείω
kleiō
kli'-o
A primary verb; to close (literally or figuratively): - shut (up).
Total KJV occurrences: 16
Joh 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
G2808
κλείω
kleiō
kli'-o
A primary verb; to close (literally or figuratively): - shut (up).
Total KJV occurrences: 16
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They would already have attained to life ever after had they eaten of the tree of life... the text is clear on that point. Adam and Eve existed in the natural just as we all do before we are born again of the Spirit. Had they already eaten of the tree of life, the words of that verse would probably be different, too, and say lest they take again of the tree of life, as opposed to take also.
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