Isreal existing (at least in a previously populated area) would contradict international law, because it is dependent upon genocide happening.
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Israel is in the land God gave to them in the OT, at least part of the land. The Palestinians do not own the land.
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God, but He gave it to the Jewish people in the Abraham Covenant. So you could say they are co -owners.
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Just remember that the people of Gaza voted in Hamas. Hamas have one agenda: the eradication of the state of Israel. Israel is not going to give up without a fight. Palestinian children are taught from birth that Israel is the enemy. There will never be real peace until the right of Israel to exist is recognised by all, especially Iran. Pray for Iran. The people are Persian, not Arab, and have no real problem with Israel. It's the hard line Muslim leaders who are the problem. The Lord can bring them down just as He has many other Antichrist leaders.
Apart from your remarks about Biden, I agree with you completely. Iran is the real enemy, not the people, but as you say, the leaders of Iran. it demonstrates how little real power the UN has. All it can do is make unenforceable resolutions and make speeches. It should be disbanded immediately. I doubt anyone would notice.
God gave the "promised land" to Israel and her descendants. You know about the 12 tribes. There was a civil war between the tribes after David's death. The Northern Kingdom was called Israel and the Southern Judea. The Northern kingdom effectively ceased to exist but the Southern Kingdom endured to the time of Christ. They maintained The Law and their religious identity, even under Greek, then Roman rule.
The Jews (taken from the tribal name Judah) rejected Lord Jesus. On account of this and the persecution of the early church, God allowed first the destruction of the temple and then the destruction of the nation of Israel. Some Jews remained but most scattered to Europe. The land came under Muslim rule and eventually under the control of the Ottoman empire (now Turkey).
The Jews retain their identity wherever they settle. Satan hates all people, but especially God's people. Jews have been persecuted for centuries. By a series of miracles, they now have a homeland. This is according to God's promise. It is a much smaller area than God gave them. That will change one day. And NEVER were the descendants of Ishmael (modern day Arabs) promised that land. (Read Genesis 17 for the full story).
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The promise, through Abraham, was to the Jews. Isaac was the one the covenant was made through, not Ishmael. Israel, the Jews, the land belongs to them.
Your anti-Semitic attitude is disgusting. Jew haters multiply today and the facts of history, scripture and international law seem to have no impact on their hateful rhetoric.
God gave the land to the Jews.
The Bible chronicles the divine act quite clearly. The Qur'an ALSO chronicles the FACT that Allah gave the land to the Jews. Mohammad [pbuh] is quoted in the Muslim holy book;
And We made the people who were deemed weak to inherit the eastern lands and the western ones which We had blessed; and the good word of your Lord was fulfilled in the children of Israel because they bore up (sufferings) patiently; and We utterly destroyed what Firon (pharapoh) and his people had wrought and what they built. - Qur’an 7.137
And when Musa (Moses) said to his people: O my people! remember the favor of Allah upon you when He raised prophets among you and made you kings and gave you what He had not given to any other among the nations. O my people! enter the holy land which Allah has prescribed for you and turn not on your backs for then you will turn back losers. - Our’an 5.20-21
And We said to the Israelites after him: Dwell in the land: and when the promise of the next life shall come to pass, we will bring you both together in judgment. - Qur’an 17.104
And.surely they purposed to unsettle you from the land that they might expel you from it, and in that case they will not tarry behind you but a little. - Qur’an 17.76 (prophecy of attempts to remove Jews from Palestine)
History records that Palestinian squatters sat on the land for a thousand years and did nothing with it. Jews arrived and turned the desert into a garden. Today the squatters want what they didn't work for and demand what they don't deserve.
According to International Law, the Jewish State of Israel has a right to exist. Arabs don't acknowledge international law and have been subverting it since 1947 when it was passed by majority vote of nations. Palestinians, as Arab squatters, don't recognize law of any kind except that which comes from a gun or bomb.
This isn't an Islamic issue, either. Most Muslims from other countries, Turkey for instance, consider Arab Muslims to be the low class "mules" of Islam. The term isn't mine, but theirs.
There is a LOT of racism causing the political pot to boil. Most of it is Arabic in nature, but many Jew haters in other countries adopt the attitude and blame Israel for matters of which they are completely innocent.
The current tactic of Palestinian squatters is to gain voting rights in Israel.
According to Israeli law, only Jews can be certified as citizens of Israel. Citizens can vote. Currently there are more Muslims living in Israel than Jews. The attack thus rests on the vote. If Palestinians have the vote it won't be long before the State of Israel is voted into oblivion by popular ballot. Palestinians claim their rights, of which they neither possess nor deserve, are being racially blocked when in fact it is they who desire the death of every Jew in Israel.
"I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you." - Genesis 12:3
May God continue to bless Israel and curse those who usurp God's divine plan for His people.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
Amazing question. Deliberate avoidance and denial of history, scripture and law.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
How am I being 'anti-Semitic'?
It is in the OT that the land is promised to 'the Jews'. Who are the Jews?
Not "the Jews" but the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Not Ishmael (from whom the Arabs have descended). And not the Edomites, nor the Moabites nor the Ammonites. The land of Canaan was given to the Israelites and the land of Arabia was given to the Ishmaelites. Following the dispersion of the Jews from Palestine after 70 AD that land was occupied by Arabs and Muslims.
But the Crusaders tried to oust them from it, and did not succeed. So it eventually became of part of the Ottoman empire. After that empire was dissolved following WWI, the British acquired Palestine as a protectorate, and it was the British who gave a portion of Palestine to the Zionists. Thus the nation of Israel was established in 1948.
It is only after the Second Coming of Christ that all of Palestine and additional territory from the Nile to the Euphrates will become Greater Israel, and the twelve tribes of Israel will be established on that land. But all those who are redeemed and restored will believe on the Lord Jesus Christ first.
Yes, it was commanded in a specific context at a specific period in history for a specific purpose. Claiming it is "God's will" with the clear implication that it is still God's general will is ignorant and foolish.