50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord
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That I can understand!
My new one, is a very old NASB Open Bible, and it is hard to find a single unmarked page in it. It was the Bible my wife used most of our married life. I get to find verses that meant so much to her. She passed away 5.5 years ago. So it is special to me.
My personal favorite version is Holman's Christian Standard Bible. They use a lot of names for the LORD, that are what the original language called HIM.
Malachi 3:6 (HCSB)
6 “Because I, Yahweh, have not changed,
you descendants of Jacob have not been destroyed.
Isaiah 43:10-11 (HCSB)
10 “You are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. No god was formed before Me, and there will be none after Me.
11 I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.
Here is the HCSB on BibleGateway: It is FREE to use online, if you would like to check it out.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Malachi 3&version=HCSB
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The Church Is The "Elect" Of God, Children Of The Promised Seed.
1 Peter 5:13KJV
13 The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.
1 Peter 1:2KJV
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
2 Peter 1:10KJV
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
1 Thessalonians 1:4KJV
4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God
1 Peter 5:13KJV
13 The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.
1 Peter 1:2KJV
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
2 Peter 1:10KJV
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
1 Thessalonians 1:4KJV
4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God
The (Two Witnesses) will be infront of the Beast for 1260 days his entire time given in 42 months
These two witnesses will bring all plagues as Often as they will against the beast and his kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt
Yes the 3rd woe in the 7th and last Trump is (The End)
Revelation 11:3-19KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
These two witnesses will bring all plagues as Often as they will against the beast and his kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt
Yes the 3rd woe in the 7th and last Trump is (The End)
Revelation 11:3-19KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
No such thing as a Pre-Trib Rapture found in scripture, all instances claimed by Pre-Tribbers, is nothing more than the second coming of Jesus Christ
As Gods words clearly teach below, the Church will be present upon earth to be eyewitnesses of the great tribulation and second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens
Look Up, Your Redemption Draweth Nigh
Luke 21:25-28KJV
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
As Gods words clearly teach below, the Church will be present upon earth to be eyewitnesses of the great tribulation and second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens
Look Up, Your Redemption Draweth Nigh
Luke 21:25-28KJV
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
None of those verses in post #2,496 say there is a pre-trib rapture. I saw you claim there is a pre-trib rapture, but you aren't the authority on this topic; God is the authority on this topic. The Bible is the word of God therefore I can be persuaded by what the Bible says.
Also, you might want to take another look at what Daniel actually prophecies about concerning the end times. Here's a snippet:
Daniel 12:7-13
7And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. 8And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. 11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. 13But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
What do you think it means that "many shall be purified, made white, and tried" and "Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days"
In your false pre-trib rapture scenario there will be no purification by trial or waiting until the end of the great tribulation. Even Daniel debunks the pre-trib rapture.
Also, you might want to take another look at what Daniel actually prophecies about concerning the end times. Here's a snippet:
Daniel 12:7-13
7And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. 8And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. 11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. 13But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
What do you think it means that "many shall be purified, made white, and tried" and "Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days"
In your false pre-trib rapture scenario there will be no purification by trial or waiting until the end of the great tribulation. Even Daniel debunks the pre-trib rapture.
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Daniel 12:10KJV
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
Revelation 7:13-14KJV
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
Revelation 7:13-14KJV
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
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The KJV is searchable on key words, the translators knew well the ties to other prophetic verses
Example: Delusion
Seen only 2 places in the KJV Isaiah 66:4 & 2 Thessalonians 2:11 both relating to a temple, with 2 Thessalonians 2:11 showing the Antichrist in a temple
The new translations remove the traceable word links in "Deception" with the inability to tie the Antichrist to the temple in Isaiah 66:4, pure "Evil"
2 Thessalonians 2:11KJV
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Isaiah 66:4KJV
4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.
Absolutely no tie to the words (Delusion/Harsh Treatment) in Deception
2 Thessalonians 2:11NIV
11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
Isaiah 66:4NIV
4 so I also will choose harsh treatment for them and will bring on them what they dread. For when I called, no one answered, when I spoke, no one listened. They did evil in my sight and chose what displeases m
Example: Delusion
Seen only 2 places in the KJV Isaiah 66:4 & 2 Thessalonians 2:11 both relating to a temple, with 2 Thessalonians 2:11 showing the Antichrist in a temple
The new translations remove the traceable word links in "Deception" with the inability to tie the Antichrist to the temple in Isaiah 66:4, pure "Evil"
2 Thessalonians 2:11KJV
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Isaiah 66:4KJV
4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.
Absolutely no tie to the words (Delusion/Harsh Treatment) in Deception
2 Thessalonians 2:11NIV
11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
Isaiah 66:4NIV
4 so I also will choose harsh treatment for them and will bring on them what they dread. For when I called, no one answered, when I spoke, no one listened. They did evil in my sight and chose what displeases m
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My understanding is the one who restrains is the HOLY SPIRIT. Satan has tried through powerful men to become RULER of the WORLD a number of time in the past. Men like Genghis Khan, Napolian, Adolf Hitler, and others. Each time the Holy Spirit has thwarted his efforts. However, the time will COME when the one that RESTRAINS is taken out of the way, so that THE ANTICHRISt can come to FULL POWER.
I personally think that time is at the RAPTURE, and few people even realize it.
Prophecy of another Comforter will come, and HE WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU.
Deuteronomy 31:8 (NIV)
8 The LORD himself goes before you and will be with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged."
Hebrews 13:5 (ESV)
5 Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”
John 14:16 (ASV)
16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may be with you for ever,
THAT IS A PROMISE FROM JESUS CHRIST PERSONALLY.
The RAPTURE is when the LORD intends to take those of us who are INVITED to the WEDDING OF THE LAMB and Wedding Feast in HEAVEN. Therefore, the HOLY SPIRIT WILL GO WITH US, and be taken out of the way, so that here on earth Antichrist will quickly come to full power. Antichrist cannot come to Full power, until we and the Holy Spirit are taken out of the way. THEREFORE IT IS ONLY PRETRIB that even makes sense. Will there be church goers left on earth? YES, but they will quickly become born again believers, largely because of the efforts of the TWO WITNESSES. They will become martyred Saint of Revelation.
For those who want to Doubt it will happen, and THAT there is no conclusive evidence for PRE-TRIB, you have to read these verses with spiritual understanding:
2 Peter 3:3-4 (HCSB)
3 First, be aware of this: Scoffers will come in the last days to scoff, living according to their own desires,
4 saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? Ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they have been since the beginning of creation.”
Matthew 25:1-14 (NCV)
1 "At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like (No and's, if's, but's, or maybe's.)
ten bridesmaids who took their lamps and went to wait for the bridegroom.
2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise.
3 The five foolish bridesmaids took their lamps, but they did not take more oil for the lamps to burn.
4 The wise bridesmaids took their lamps and more oil in jars.
5 Because the bridegroom was late, they became sleepy and went to sleep.
6 “At midnight someone cried out, ’The bridegroom is coming! Come and meet him!’
7 Then all the bridesmaids woke up and got their lamps ready.
8 But the foolish ones said to the wise, ’Give us some of your oil, because our lamps are going out.’
9 The wise bridesmaids answered, ’No, the oil we have might not be enough for all of us. Go to the people who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’
10 “So while the five foolish bridesmaids went to buy oil, the bridegroom came. The bridesmaids who were ready went in with the bridegroom to the wedding feast. Then the door was closed and locked.
11 “Later the others came back and said, ’Sir, sir, open the door to let us in.’
12 But the bridegroom answered, ’I tell you the truth, I don’t want to know you.’
13 “So always be ready, because you don’t know the day or the hour the Son of Man will come.
I personally think that time is at the RAPTURE, and few people even realize it.
Prophecy of another Comforter will come, and HE WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU.
Deuteronomy 31:8 (NIV)
8 The LORD himself goes before you and will be with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged."
Hebrews 13:5 (ESV)
5 Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”
John 14:16 (ASV)
16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may be with you for ever,
THAT IS A PROMISE FROM JESUS CHRIST PERSONALLY.
The RAPTURE is when the LORD intends to take those of us who are INVITED to the WEDDING OF THE LAMB and Wedding Feast in HEAVEN. Therefore, the HOLY SPIRIT WILL GO WITH US, and be taken out of the way, so that here on earth Antichrist will quickly come to full power. Antichrist cannot come to Full power, until we and the Holy Spirit are taken out of the way. THEREFORE IT IS ONLY PRETRIB that even makes sense. Will there be church goers left on earth? YES, but they will quickly become born again believers, largely because of the efforts of the TWO WITNESSES. They will become martyred Saint of Revelation.
For those who want to Doubt it will happen, and THAT there is no conclusive evidence for PRE-TRIB, you have to read these verses with spiritual understanding:
2 Peter 3:3-4 (HCSB)
3 First, be aware of this: Scoffers will come in the last days to scoff, living according to their own desires,
4 saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? Ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they have been since the beginning of creation.”
Matthew 25:1-14 (NCV)
1 "At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like (No and's, if's, but's, or maybe's.)
ten bridesmaids who took their lamps and went to wait for the bridegroom.
2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise.
3 The five foolish bridesmaids took their lamps, but they did not take more oil for the lamps to burn.
4 The wise bridesmaids took their lamps and more oil in jars.
5 Because the bridegroom was late, they became sleepy and went to sleep.
6 “At midnight someone cried out, ’The bridegroom is coming! Come and meet him!’
7 Then all the bridesmaids woke up and got their lamps ready.
8 But the foolish ones said to the wise, ’Give us some of your oil, because our lamps are going out.’
9 The wise bridesmaids answered, ’No, the oil we have might not be enough for all of us. Go to the people who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’
10 “So while the five foolish bridesmaids went to buy oil, the bridegroom came. The bridesmaids who were ready went in with the bridegroom to the wedding feast. Then the door was closed and locked.
11 “Later the others came back and said, ’Sir, sir, open the door to let us in.’
12 But the bridegroom answered, ’I tell you the truth, I don’t want to know you.’
13 “So always be ready, because you don’t know the day or the hour the Son of Man will come.
The same Greek word that is used in 2Th2:11 (translated "delusion" in kjv) is also used in 1Th2:3 translated there as "deceit" (kjv) in this verse... "G4106 - plané"
LIST of occurrences - https://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_4106.htm
[in 2Th2:11, it adds (God SHALL SEND *to them*...) "...[IN ORDER] THAT they should believe the LIE / the FALSE / the pseudei" - https://biblehub.com/text/2_thessalonians/2-11.htm ... which I believe occurs IN the TRIB yrs]
LIST of occurrences - https://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_4106.htm
[in 2Th2:11, it adds (God SHALL SEND *to them*...) "...[IN ORDER] THAT they should believe the LIE / the FALSE / the pseudei" - https://biblehub.com/text/2_thessalonians/2-11.htm ... which I believe occurs IN the TRIB yrs]
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