Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?
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What you have written here ^ reminds me of what Gaebelein writes in his commentary on Zechariah 9 -
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"[re: Zech9] The tenth and eleventh verses (Zechariah 9:10-11) show clearly that the prophecy is yet to be fulfilled and can be only fulfilled in the coming of the Son of Man in His glory. One of the reasons why modern Judaism rejects Jesus of Nazareth, and does not believe Him to be the promised Redeemer, is in this prophecy. Rabbi F. De Sola Mendes, of New York, brings in a little book, “A Hebrew’s Reply to the Missionaries,” the following argument: “We reject Jesus of Nazareth as our Messiah on account of His deeds. He says of Himself, ‘Think not that I am come to send peace on the earth; I came not to send peace but a sword,’ etc. But we find that our prophets ascribed to the true Messiah quite different actions. Zechariah says (Zechariah 9:10), He shall speak peace to the nations. Jesus says He came to send the sword on the earth; whereas, Isaiah says of the true Messianic time, ‘They shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruning-hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation; neither shall they learn war any more.’“
"Of course the Jew is right in expecting the literal fulfillment of this prophecy, and it will be fulfilled when He comes again and the restoration of all things will follow, as spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets.
"When He appears again, in like manner as He went into heaven, that is not for His saints but with His saints, there will be peace for Ephraim and for Jerusalem, and the kingdom is then restored to Israel, that is, to the house of Judah and the house of Israel. The chariot, the horse, and the battle-bow will be cut off. Not alone will He bring peace to the covenant people but to the nations. He will speak peace. “And He shall stand, and shall feed His flock in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of Jehovah His God, and they shall abide; for now shall He be great unto the ends of the earth. And this man shall be our peace” Micah 5:4-15. There will be abundance of peace Psalm 72:7. His dominion will be from sea to sea and to the ends of the earth.
"The prisoners of hope to be released, by the blood of the covenant, from the pit wherein there is no water, is the nation whose captivity is now ended. How strange that people should take a passage like this and interpret it as meaning the restitution of the wicked and the ungodly from the pit. There is nothing taught in the Word like that which some people term a larger hope. The restitution (restoration) of all things is not left to the fanciful interpretation of the human mind, but is clearly defined by the Word itself, as spoken by the prophets. In the vision of the dry bones in Ezekiel 37:1-28, Israel’s complaint is, Our hope is lost. But when He is manifested, who is indeed the Hope of Israel, the prisoners (the captives), will be released and cleansed. “Refrain thy voice from weeping and thine eyes from tears.... there is hope for thy latter end, saith the LORD, and thy children shall come again to their own border” Jeremiah 31:17. The exhortation to return to the stronghold follows. Israel will then sing, “He brought me up out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and He set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings” Psalm 40:2. Double will be rendered unto them, as promised, “Speak to the heart of Jerusalem, and cry unto her that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned, that she has received of the LORD’S hand double for all her sins” Isaiah 40:22. “For your shame ye shall have double, and for confusion they shall rejoice in that portion; therefore in their land they shall possess double; everlasting joy shall be unto them” Isaiah 41:7."
--Gaebelein, Commentary on Zechariah 9 - https://biblehub.com/commentaries/gaebelein/zechariah/9.htm
[end quoting; bold and underline mine; coloring at links original]
[...and also in his commentary on Isaiah 11...]
[quoting]
"[re: Isa11] 1. The King: Who He is and what He will do (Isaiah 11:1-5) 2. The peace and blessing He brings (Isaiah 11:6-10) 3. The gathering of scattered Israel (Isaiah 11:11-16) It is a great vision of the future which this chapter unfolds. The critics deny that the blessed Person mentioned in the opening verses is our Lord Jesus. They think Hezekiah or Josiah is meant. 2Thessalonians 2:8 shows that it is our Lord. Link Isaiah 11:1-5 with Isaiah 9:6-7. Again His coming in humiliation and His coming in exaltation are here interwoven. We behold His reign in righteousness. Isaiah 11:6-10 need not to be spiritualized, as it is so often done. Romans tells us (Romans 8:18-23) that a literal groaning creation, travailing together in pain until now, will be delivered of its groans and curses. The hour of deliverance strikes with the “manifestation of the Sons of God.” However, this manifestation does not take place till the Lord is manifested the second time. In the coming kingdom to be established on earth and ruled over by the King from above, creation will be put back into its original condition.
"Israel’s regathering will be from a worldwide dispersion. It will be “the second time.” It does not and cannot mean the return from Babylon, but the return from their present exile of almost 2,000 years."
--Gaebelein, Commentary on Isaiah 11 - https://biblehub.com/commentaries/gaebelein/isaiah/11.htm
[end quoting; bold, italics and coloring original]
What you have written here ^ reminds me of what Gaebelein writes in his commentary on Zechariah 9 -
[quoting]
"[re: Zech9] The tenth and eleventh verses (Zechariah 9:10-11) show clearly that the prophecy is yet to be fulfilled and can be only fulfilled in the coming of the Son of Man in His glory. One of the reasons why modern Judaism rejects Jesus of Nazareth, and does not believe Him to be the promised Redeemer, is in this prophecy. Rabbi F. De Sola Mendes, of New York, brings in a little book, “A Hebrew’s Reply to the Missionaries,” the following argument: “We reject Jesus of Nazareth as our Messiah on account of His deeds. He says of Himself, ‘Think not that I am come to send peace on the earth; I came not to send peace but a sword,’ etc. But we find that our prophets ascribed to the true Messiah quite different actions. Zechariah says (Zechariah 9:10), He shall speak peace to the nations. Jesus says He came to send the sword on the earth; whereas, Isaiah says of the true Messianic time, ‘They shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruning-hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation; neither shall they learn war any more.’“
"Of course the Jew is right in expecting the literal fulfillment of this prophecy, and it will be fulfilled when He comes again and the restoration of all things will follow, as spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets.
"When He appears again, in like manner as He went into heaven, that is not for His saints but with His saints, there will be peace for Ephraim and for Jerusalem, and the kingdom is then restored to Israel, that is, to the house of Judah and the house of Israel. The chariot, the horse, and the battle-bow will be cut off. Not alone will He bring peace to the covenant people but to the nations. He will speak peace. “And He shall stand, and shall feed His flock in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of Jehovah His God, and they shall abide; for now shall He be great unto the ends of the earth. And this man shall be our peace” Micah 5:4-15. There will be abundance of peace Psalm 72:7. His dominion will be from sea to sea and to the ends of the earth.
"The prisoners of hope to be released, by the blood of the covenant, from the pit wherein there is no water, is the nation whose captivity is now ended. How strange that people should take a passage like this and interpret it as meaning the restitution of the wicked and the ungodly from the pit. There is nothing taught in the Word like that which some people term a larger hope. The restitution (restoration) of all things is not left to the fanciful interpretation of the human mind, but is clearly defined by the Word itself, as spoken by the prophets. In the vision of the dry bones in Ezekiel 37:1-28, Israel’s complaint is, Our hope is lost. But when He is manifested, who is indeed the Hope of Israel, the prisoners (the captives), will be released and cleansed. “Refrain thy voice from weeping and thine eyes from tears.... there is hope for thy latter end, saith the LORD, and thy children shall come again to their own border” Jeremiah 31:17. The exhortation to return to the stronghold follows. Israel will then sing, “He brought me up out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and He set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings” Psalm 40:2. Double will be rendered unto them, as promised, “Speak to the heart of Jerusalem, and cry unto her that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned, that she has received of the LORD’S hand double for all her sins” Isaiah 40:22. “For your shame ye shall have double, and for confusion they shall rejoice in that portion; therefore in their land they shall possess double; everlasting joy shall be unto them” Isaiah 41:7."
--Gaebelein, Commentary on Zechariah 9 - https://biblehub.com/commentaries/gaebelein/zechariah/9.htm
[end quoting; bold and underline mine; coloring at links original]
[...and also in his commentary on Isaiah 11...]
[quoting]
"[re: Isa11] 1. The King: Who He is and what He will do (Isaiah 11:1-5) 2. The peace and blessing He brings (Isaiah 11:6-10) 3. The gathering of scattered Israel (Isaiah 11:11-16) It is a great vision of the future which this chapter unfolds. The critics deny that the blessed Person mentioned in the opening verses is our Lord Jesus. They think Hezekiah or Josiah is meant. 2Thessalonians 2:8 shows that it is our Lord. Link Isaiah 11:1-5 with Isaiah 9:6-7. Again His coming in humiliation and His coming in exaltation are here interwoven. We behold His reign in righteousness. Isaiah 11:6-10 need not to be spiritualized, as it is so often done. Romans tells us (Romans 8:18-23) that a literal groaning creation, travailing together in pain until now, will be delivered of its groans and curses. The hour of deliverance strikes with the “manifestation of the Sons of God.” However, this manifestation does not take place till the Lord is manifested the second time. In the coming kingdom to be established on earth and ruled over by the King from above, creation will be put back into its original condition.
"Israel’s regathering will be from a worldwide dispersion. It will be “the second time.” It does not and cannot mean the return from Babylon, but the return from their present exile of almost 2,000 years."
--Gaebelein, Commentary on Isaiah 11 - https://biblehub.com/commentaries/gaebelein/isaiah/11.htm
[end quoting; bold, italics and coloring original]
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See, this is what I mean in an improper context. You know there are like two paragraphs in Daniel's prophecy before the abomination and desolation. At least a quarter or half has been completed. The abomination and desolation are at the last of the chapter. Prophecy can speak to both when it was written and times (plural) to come. In which it can have multiple stages.
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[Rev20:4b] "... and they lived [G2198 - ezēsan ]"... same word used of Jesus in 2:8 
Revelation 2:8 V-AIA-3S [re: Jesus]
GRK: νεκρὸς καὶ ἔζησεν
NAS: was dead, and has come to life, says
KJV: dead, and is alive;
INT: dead and lived
https://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_2198.htm
Revelation 2:8 V-AIA-3S [re: Jesus]
GRK: νεκρὸς καὶ ἔζησεν
NAS: was dead, and has come to life, says
KJV: dead, and is alive;
INT: dead and lived
https://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_2198.htm
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Revelation 19:v.19-21
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the Beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the Beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
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It has the function of exorcism
First,we should love each other.
Second, war comes from hate and fear, hate may come from religious belief and ideology
, fear may come from Politics and economy(Just as the United States is now afraid of China's economy)Fear may became hate.
Your theory is based on REV 13:10 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
If your home is really invaded, you can fight back and he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword, no matter justice or not.
But if you want to be the saints
Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Amen
It has the function of exorcism
First,we should love each other.
Second, war comes from hate and fear, hate may come from religious belief and ideology
, fear may come from Politics and economy(Just as the United States is now afraid of China's economy)Fear may became hate.
Your theory is based on REV 13:10 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
If your home is really invaded, you can fight back and he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword, no matter justice or not.
But if you want to be the saints
Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Amen
I already explained the relevance. Our support of Israel is based on our Christianity as a nation. If you're talking about the US, then you're talking about *how Christian* we are as a nation? If we are idolatrous, and view all religions as equals, then we might want to support the Palestinians against Israel because Islam is a huge majority in the Middle East, and we should support the dominant religion in the region, right?
So I'm asking you if you believe, as a Christian American, that all religions in America should be treated equally? But you seem unable to answer, and instead want to complain this is "off topic." Fine, you don't have to answer. If you'd rather discuss whether this is on or off topic, then you've diverted once again from answering the question.
So I'm asking you if you believe, as a Christian American, that all religions in America should be treated equally? But you seem unable to answer, and instead want to complain this is "off topic." Fine, you don't have to answer. If you'd rather discuss whether this is on or off topic, then you've diverted once again from answering the question.
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In the Bible there were wars, God sent people into war and gave them the victory. Israel is defending their country and their homes. Biblically they are doing what is right. If you're a pacifist, that's your choice. If you wouldn't defend your family, that's you. But Israel has a right to defend themselves, Biblically.
K
You can take religion out of it. The land belongs to Israel historically. I don't need the Bible to prove the land belongs to the Jewish people. I don't care what the US as a whole believes, there are still a majority of Christians that support Israel, one reason why Trump got into office. And we're talking about Hamas, terrorists, who are hardly religious, only in name.
If they live in peace and understand America was founded on Judeo/Christian values. So no sharia law, as an example.
Well it has been answered and I still don't see what it has to do with the subject at hand.
If they live in peace and understand America was founded on Judeo/Christian values. So no sharia law, as an example.
Well it has been answered and I still don't see what it has to do with the subject at hand.