Gap Theory?
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Everything that currently exists was made during the 6 days:
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is ... Ex 20:11 (KJV).
So anything that was made prior to the 6 days, cannot be in existence today without violating this verse.
There can be no physical evidence, such as a fossil or even one molecule, in existence today that was made prior to the 6 days; without violating this verse. Therefore it's impossible for the "gap theory" to have any existing scientific evidence to support it.
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is ... Ex 20:11 (KJV).
So anything that was made prior to the 6 days, cannot be in existence today without violating this verse.
There can be no physical evidence, such as a fossil or even one molecule, in existence today that was made prior to the 6 days; without violating this verse. Therefore it's impossible for the "gap theory" to have any existing scientific evidence to support it.
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The creation of the angels and Satan's fall did not happen during the 6 days of creating. There clearly was an early creating in which an older Earth was created that is different from the current one just like there will be another in the next age and there will be new creations yet again.
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He was already called the serpent when he met Eve so the fall happened before that.
It isn't violated. There was simply a time period that scripture barely mentions but we know exists that was between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
(((GAP OF UNKNOWN TIME LENGTH HERE)))
Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Was the world simply created "without form" or did it "become" without form?
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/strongs/1143160133-2504.html
The Hebrew word for "was" without form is HAYAH and the tense that the verb is QAL which specifically means TO BECOME. Therefore the verse actually says "And the earth BECAME without form, and void;" meaning that God originally created the earth complete and that at some point it BECAME void and without form. Some form of destruction took place which strengthens the "gap theory".
01961 hayah {haw-yaw}
a primitive root [compare 01933]; TWOT - 491; v
AV - was, come to pass, came, has been, were happened, become,
pertained, better for thee; 75
1) to be, become, come to pass, exist, happen, fall out
1a) (Qal)
1a1) -----
1a1a) to happen, fall out, occur, take place, come about,
come to pass
1a1b) to come about, come to pass
1a2) to come into being, become
1a2a) to arise, appear, come
1a2b) to become
1a2b1) to become
1a2b2) to become like
1a2b3) to be instituted, be established
1a3) to be
1a3a) to exist, be in existence
1a3b) to abide, remain, continue (with word of place or time)
1a3c) to stand, lie, be in, be at, be situated (with word
of locality)
1a3d) to accompany, be with 1b)
(Niphal)
1b1) to occur, come to pass, be done, be brought about
1b2) to be done, be finished, be gone
In addition, the "mood" of the verb is "perfect" and it affects the meaning in this way: "The Perfect expresses a completed action." This means that the earth was not created void but indeed BECAME void in an action that is completed by the second verse of Genesis.
So, according to the rules of Hebrew verb tenses, it is not "was void" as if it was made that way but it "became void" as the voidness "came into being".
Genesis 1:2 And the earth [BECAME] without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Scripture has a second witness of this truth:
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
God did not create the earth void and without form as Genesis is thought to state. God destroyed the world and then recreated everything within it and that's what we read and see in the Genesis account. This is also why scientific evidence that God left behind affirms that the earth is much older than 6000-7000 years.
It isn't violated. There was simply a time period that scripture barely mentions but we know exists that was between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
(((GAP OF UNKNOWN TIME LENGTH HERE)))
Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Was the world simply created "without form" or did it "become" without form?
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/strongs/1143160133-2504.html
The Hebrew word for "was" without form is HAYAH and the tense that the verb is QAL which specifically means TO BECOME. Therefore the verse actually says "And the earth BECAME without form, and void;" meaning that God originally created the earth complete and that at some point it BECAME void and without form. Some form of destruction took place which strengthens the "gap theory".
01961 hayah {haw-yaw}
a primitive root [compare 01933]; TWOT - 491; v
AV - was, come to pass, came, has been, were happened, become,
pertained, better for thee; 75
1) to be, become, come to pass, exist, happen, fall out
1a) (Qal)
1a1) -----
1a1a) to happen, fall out, occur, take place, come about,
come to pass
1a1b) to come about, come to pass
1a2) to come into being, become
1a2a) to arise, appear, come
1a2b) to become
1a2b1) to become
1a2b2) to become like
1a2b3) to be instituted, be established
1a3) to be
1a3a) to exist, be in existence
1a3b) to abide, remain, continue (with word of place or time)
1a3c) to stand, lie, be in, be at, be situated (with word
of locality)
1a3d) to accompany, be with 1b)
(Niphal)
1b1) to occur, come to pass, be done, be brought about
1b2) to be done, be finished, be gone
In addition, the "mood" of the verb is "perfect" and it affects the meaning in this way: "The Perfect expresses a completed action." This means that the earth was not created void but indeed BECAME void in an action that is completed by the second verse of Genesis.
So, according to the rules of Hebrew verb tenses, it is not "was void" as if it was made that way but it "became void" as the voidness "came into being".
Genesis 1:2 And the earth [BECAME] without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Scripture has a second witness of this truth:
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
God did not create the earth void and without form as Genesis is thought to state. God destroyed the world and then recreated everything within it and that's what we read and see in the Genesis account. This is also why scientific evidence that God left behind affirms that the earth is much older than 6000-7000 years.
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The fall of Satan happened after the 6 day creation:
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Gen 1:31 (KJV)
All of the reliable Bible versions - and there are many - render the word as "was" in Gen. 1:2. That means that there is a multitude of credible witnesses against your claim.
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Gen 1:31 (KJV)
All of the reliable Bible versions - and there are many - render the word as "was" in Gen. 1:2. That means that there is a multitude of credible witnesses against your claim.
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That's addressing only the things he made in those 6 days. It doesn't apply to satan.
Nothing refutes my "claim". The word used means to become. The world was not created a void or a waste land. It became that way through some type of disaster. Even science knows this. So does the bible.
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
God did not create the earth void and without form as Genesis is thought to state. God destroyed the world and then recreated everything within it and that's what we read and see in the Genesis account. This is also why scientific evidence that God left behind affirms that the earth is much older than 6000-7000 years.
Nothing refutes my "claim". The word used means to become. The world was not created a void or a waste land. It became that way through some type of disaster. Even science knows this. So does the bible.
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
God did not create the earth void and without form as Genesis is thought to state. God destroyed the world and then recreated everything within it and that's what we read and see in the Genesis account. This is also why scientific evidence that God left behind affirms that the earth is much older than 6000-7000 years.
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This is all fine and dandy
but it does not prove anything
void and without form could and most likely was it original state, like a ball of clay is void and without form before the potter makes it into a form.
as for satan and the serpent and Eve, we have no written record how long after Adam and Eve were created before the fall. So again, there is absolutely no proof Satan was created before the 6 days, it’s all a person point of view we should not be so hard pressed in our belief that we attack someone who disagrees or even appear to do that. For all we know we are all wrong.
but it does not prove anything
void and without form could and most likely was it original state, like a ball of clay is void and without form before the potter makes it into a form.
as for satan and the serpent and Eve, we have no written record how long after Adam and Eve were created before the fall. So again, there is absolutely no proof Satan was created before the 6 days, it’s all a person point of view we should not be so hard pressed in our belief that we attack someone who disagrees or even appear to do that. For all we know we are all wrong.
No, scripture says it wasn't created that way:
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
The original state of the Earth was formed to be inhabited.
Satan fell long before man was even created.
Disagreeing with someone is not "attacking" them. Falsely accusing someone of attacking someone is an attack however.
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your right, it was originally void and without for l then in 6 days God formed it to be inhabited, Ie aged,
In other words, it did not take billions of years to be made to be inhabited, it wa quickly created this way
thanks for,your opinion, but I see no proof.
Just be careful, I never claimed you attacked anyone I was making an observation I have seen how these discussions can turn,
In other words, it did not take billions of years to be made to be inhabited, it wa quickly created this way
thanks for,your opinion, but I see no proof.
Just be careful, I never claimed you attacked anyone I was making an observation I have seen how these discussions can turn,
Nope. It was created inhabitable but came to be void and without form so God had to fix that so he could create humans to live here.
It isn't wise to direct such towards someone you are speaking to. In the least you would need to state openly that a portion of the post was not intended towards the one you are literally responding to.
It isn't wise to direct such towards someone you are speaking to. In the least you would need to state openly that a portion of the post was not intended towards the one you are literally responding to.
Of course I have proof. It's just being ignored:
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
The original state of the Earth was formed to be inhabited.
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
The original state of the Earth was formed to be inhabited.
You are not interpreting it properly.
It was not created to be inhabited - it was formed to be inhabited.
Understand the difference?
The original state was not the "after it was formed" state; rather, it was the "before it was formed" state.
Think of the 'creating' and the 'forming' as two different "steps" in the process of bringing it all about.
The 'creating' step caused space, time, and matter to come into existence. The 'clay' now exists for the potter to "form" into whatever He wishes.
The original state was one of "having no form" - it existed, but had no [particular] form.
The 'forming' step changed the "form" of the "base material" that already existed into the finished result. The 'clay' becomes pottery.
The finished state is one of "having being formed" into something that is inhabitable.
It was not created to be inhabited - it was formed to be inhabited.
Understand the difference?
The original state was not the "after it was formed" state; rather, it was the "before it was formed" state.
Think of the 'creating' and the 'forming' as two different "steps" in the process of bringing it all about.
The 'creating' step caused space, time, and matter to come into existence. The 'clay' now exists for the potter to "form" into whatever He wishes.
The original state was one of "having no form" - it existed, but had no [particular] form.
The 'forming' step changed the "form" of the "base material" that already existed into the finished result. The 'clay' becomes pottery.
The finished state is one of "having being formed" into something that is inhabitable.
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No, it was not created in vain and then formed to be inhabited. It was created and formed to be inhabited.
Same concept found here with the same words for created and formed:
Isa_43:1 But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.
The creating and forming happens at the same time. The Earth was created and formed to be inhabited but in Gen 1:2 is becomes void and uninhabitable so God spends 6 days creating all that is needed for humans to inhabit it. No surprise that this happened some time after the world was hit by an asteroid about 13k years ago which destroyed most life on the planet.
Same concept found here with the same words for created and formed:
Isa_43:1 But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.
The creating and forming happens at the same time. The Earth was created and formed to be inhabited but in Gen 1:2 is becomes void and uninhabitable so God spends 6 days creating all that is needed for humans to inhabit it. No surprise that this happened some time after the world was hit by an asteroid about 13k years ago which destroyed most life on the planet.