WHICH IS MOST IMPORTANT FOR A CHRISTIAN TO FOLLOW?

[p_rehbein]

Which is most important for a Christian to follow/obey? What God/Jesus said/did? What the Apostles said/did? I know that the majority of the time, they are one in the same, but not always. There are examples where Jesus said/did one thing, but the Apostles said/did something else. I have seen many arguments here when one of these discrepancies arise, and I have been wondering about what the numbers would reveal about the Members here. What would be the results of the Poll? Let us see. There may be more than what I post. If so, feel free to add any you can think of.

First Instance I can think of:

Foot Washing.

John, Chapter 13:

4) He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself.
5) After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.
6) Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?
7) Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.
8) Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.
9) Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.
10) Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.
11) For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.
12) So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
13) Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
14) If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
15)For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.

Many Churches/Congregations celebrate Foot Washing because of what Jesus taught. However, from what I can tell, most Churches/Congregations do not. Their reasoning is that there is not Record of the Apostles, or Churches having celebrated Foot Washing. Clearly; Jesus taught Foot Washing, and, because of that some celebrate it. Because there is no Record in the Epistles of Foot Washing being celebrated, most do not.

Salvation:

Jesus taught that believing in Him was the key to salvation.

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 6:47 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

Acts 16:31 - And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

John 5:24 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Romans 10:9 - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

John 3:36 - He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 8:24 - I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Yet, somehow, water baptism became necessary for salvation according to some Churches/Congregations

Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

1 Peter 3:21 - The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

How to Baptise:

Jesus taught:

Matthew, Chapter 28:

19) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

However, many Churches/Congregations today teach that one should only say "in the name of Jesus." Their reasoning is that this is how the Apostles wrote about it, and they follow what the Apostles did.

These three have been argued here many, many times, but I am just wondering what the Poll Results will reveal.............

Thanks

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Which is most important for a Christian to follow/obey? What God/Jesus said/did? What the Apostles said/did? I know that the majority of the time, they are one in the same, but not always. There are examples where Jesus said/did one thing, but the Apostles said/did something else. I have seen many arguments here when one of these discrepancies arise, and I have been wondering about what the numbers would reveal about the Members here. What would be the results of the Poll? Let us see. There may be more than what I post. If so, feel free to add any you can think of.

First Instance I can think of:

Foot Washing.

John, Chapter 13:

4) He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself.
5) After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.
6) Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?
7) Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.
8) Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.
9) Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.
10) Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.
11) For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.
12) So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
13) Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
14) If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
15)For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.

Many Churches/Congregations celebrate Foot Washing because of what Jesus taught. However, from what I can tell, most Churches/Congregations do not. Their reasoning is that there is not Record of the Apostles, or Churches having celebrated Foot Washing. Clearly; Jesus taught Foot Washing, and, because of that some celebrate it. Because there is no Record in the Epistles of Foot Washing being celebrated, most do not.

Salvation:

Jesus taught that believing in Him was the key to salvation.

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 6:47 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

Acts 16:31 - And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

John 5:24 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Romans 10:9 - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

John 3:36 - He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 8:24 - I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Yet, somehow, water baptism became necessary for salvation according to some Churches/Congregations

Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

1 Peter 3:21 - The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

How to Baptise:

Jesus taught:

Matthew, Chapter 28:

19) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

However, many Churches/Congregations today teach that one should only say "in the name of Jesus." Their reasoning is that this is how the Apostles wrote about it, and they follow what the Apostles did.

These three have been argued here many, many times, but I am just wondering what the Poll Results will reveal.............

Thanks

Both isn't in the poll but I say both. The whole Bible is the inspired Word of God. You could say co-authored.

2 Timothy 2:15
New King James Version
15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

All inspired but not all applicable. What God speaks is Holy but not all binding for example the Mosaic law.

You can take Jesus's Words and sum up the law in love God and love your neighbor but we still do not do this to perfection. It's holy and applicable to sanctification but not salvation.

The Word must be correctly divided. I personally do not see the reasoning behind taking one's words over the other. Proper hermeneutics either divides it into categories as in salvation, sanctification, discipleship, or gentile vs the Jews.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

p_rehbein polls: Should we:
1 follow/do what Jesus did? taught? Or should we
2 follow/do what the Apostles did/taught?
3 I do not know. It confuses me too.
4 I do as my Church teaches.

UNclarifed, this would come out to be:
1 + 2 = Should we not do as Jesus and the apostleS taught?
= 3 Yes, this is Confusing
--------------------------------
Precious friend(s):
Now, 1 and 2 are Close, but we need to Clarify them, According
To God's Word Of Truth, Right Divided (2 Timothy 2 : 15 KJB!):

1 Should we not do as the humble Servant Jesus and
His 12 apostles taught, on the earth, to the "lost sheep
of the house Of ISRAEL"? OR:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2 : 15!) From “Things That DIFFER!”:

2 Should we not do as The Risen And Glorified LORD JESUS Taught,
From Heaven, HIS ONE apostle, Paul, for The Body Of CHRIST, Today,
Under PURE GRACE?

More "Rightly Divided studies" Solving the Confusion, are here:

God's Approval/TWO Different Gospels
Distinctions In God's Two Different Programs: Prophecy vs Mystery!

Be Blessed!

 

[Blik]

The core essence of scripture is that God offers forgiveness of sins through the blood of Christ. From the first that God offered that forgiveness to man, man was asked to repent of sin when we ask to be forgiven.

We must not be lead by man, we must be lead by God. The most important way of following God's ways is explained in the commandment to love the Lord with all our heart and soul, and the next like that command, to love others. We must fully accept that the God explained in every verse of new and old testament is love. God hates sin in our world because God loves us and sin kills.

There are many man teachings in churches today, as men give their interpretation of scripture. As we grow in the Lord, we learn ways of living that are pleasing to the Lord and because we love the Lord we want to follow those ways but never lose sight of the essence of Christianity.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Which is most important for a Christian to follow/obey?

There should have been another option, combining both 1 & 2. What Jesus did and taught was the foundation. What the apostles (and prophets) did and taught was the edifice on that foundation. This is exactly what is stated in Scripture.

 

[ResidentAlien]

We should follow both. Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 11:1: "Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ." We have the benefit of the four Gospels but many of the early converts didn't know anything about Jesus. He sent the apostles out as His ambassadors. To the Corinthians Paul was the only example they had.

We should follow Christ when we have a clear example in the Gospels; otherwise, we should follow the apostles' example.

 

[Runningman]

Which is most important for a Christian to follow/obey? What God/Jesus said/did? What the Apostles said/did? I know that the majority of the time, they are one in the same, but not always. There are examples where Jesus said/did one thing, but the Apostles said/did something else. I have seen many arguments here when one of these discrepancies arise, and I have been wondering about what the numbers would reveal about the Members here. What would be the results of the Poll? Let us see. There may be more than what I post. If so, feel free to add any you can think of.

First Instance I can think of:

Foot Washing.

John, Chapter 13:

4) He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself.
5) After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.
6) Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?
7) Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.
8) Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.
9) Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.
10) Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.
11) For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.
12) So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
13) Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
14) If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
15)For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.

Many Churches/Congregations celebrate Foot Washing because of what Jesus taught. However, from what I can tell, most Churches/Congregations do not. Their reasoning is that there is not Record of the Apostles, or Churches having celebrated Foot Washing. Clearly; Jesus taught Foot Washing, and, because of that some celebrate it. Because there is no Record in the Epistles of Foot Washing being celebrated, most do not.

Salvation:

Jesus taught that believing in Him was the key to salvation.

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 6:47 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

Acts 16:31 - And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

John 5:24 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Romans 10:9 - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

John 3:36 - He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 8:24 - I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Yet, somehow, water baptism became necessary for salvation according to some Churches/Congregations

Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

1 Peter 3:21 - The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

How to Baptise:

Jesus taught:

Matthew, Chapter 28:

19) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

However, many Churches/Congregations today teach that one should only say "in the name of Jesus." Their reasoning is that this is how the Apostles wrote about it, and they follow what the Apostles did.

These three have been argued here many, many times, but I am just wondering what the Poll Results will reveal.............

Thanks

To add to that, how often do you hear of people including this in their sermons about Jesus' burial?

Matthew 26:13
13Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.

 

[oyster67]

I believe that the core gospel is very simple: Believe upon and come to Jesus by faith alone. No works, rituals, sacraments, ordinances, remembrances. I believe that the just also live by faith alone. I believe in Christian Liberty. I believe that when a Christian loves the Lord and his fellow man, other good things will naturally follow and flow forth. Are these other things prerequisites for salvation? Absolutely not. Are these other things necessary to maintain salvation? Absolutely not. The Word simply states that "by their fruits you shall know them."

Christian Liberty...

Galatians
5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only [use] not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
5:16 [This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

New Creaturehood...

Galatians
6:12 As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
6:13 For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.
6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace [be] on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

 

[John146]

Which is most important for a Christian to follow/obey? What God/Jesus said/did? What the Apostles said/did? I know that the majority of the time, they are one in the same, but not always. There are examples where Jesus said/did one thing, but the Apostles said/did something else. I have seen many arguments here when one of these discrepancies arise, and I have been wondering about what the numbers would reveal about the Members here. What would be the results of the Poll? Let us see. There may be more than what I post. If so, feel free to add any you can think of.

First Instance I can think of:

Foot Washing.

John, Chapter 13:

4) He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself.
5) After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.
6) Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?
7) Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.
8) Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.
9) Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.
10) Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.
11) For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.
12) So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
13) Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
14) If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
15)For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.

Many Churches/Congregations celebrate Foot Washing because of what Jesus taught. However, from what I can tell, most Churches/Congregations do not. Their reasoning is that there is not Record of the Apostles, or Churches having celebrated Foot Washing. Clearly; Jesus taught Foot Washing, and, because of that some celebrate it. Because there is no Record in the Epistles of Foot Washing being celebrated, most do not.

Salvation:

Jesus taught that believing in Him was the key to salvation.

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 6:47 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

Acts 16:31 - And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

John 5:24 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Romans 10:9 - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

John 3:36 - He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 8:24 - I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Yet, somehow, water baptism became necessary for salvation according to some Churches/Congregations

Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

1 Peter 3:21 - The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

How to Baptise:

Jesus taught:

Matthew, Chapter 28:

19) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

However, many Churches/Congregations today teach that one should only say "in the name of Jesus." Their reasoning is that this is how the Apostles wrote about it, and they follow what the Apostles did.

These three have been argued here many, many times, but I am just wondering what the Poll Results will reveal.............

Thanks

I believe doctrine for the body of Christ comes from Paul’s epistles. But remember, what Paul taught was revealed to him by Jesus Christ.

 

[p_rehbein]

The Word must be correctly divided. I personally do not see the reasoning behind taking one's words over the other. Proper hermeneutics either divides it into categories as in salvation, sanctification, discipleship, or gentile vs the Jews.

I agree that normally one would follow both. However, as in the instance of water baptism, there is a distinct difference between what Jesus said to do and what the Apostles did (as far we we know, for not all that occurred was recorded in the Bible). Some make a serious issue of this when people are NOT baptized "in the name of Jesus" as they believe it is to be done. Even when it is clearly not what Jesus said in Matthew 28:19/20.

In instances such as these, which are we to follow? That is what I am looking for in the Poll. Thanks.

 

[p_rehbein]

2 Should we not do as The Risen And Glorified LORD JESUS Taught,
From Heaven, HIS ONE apostle, Paul, for The Body Of CHRIST, Today,
Under PURE GRACE?

Same question posed to you as I posed to Roughsoul. I fully agree that, when possible, we should follow/do both what Jesus taught/did and what the Apostles taught/did, however, this is not always possible. Rightly dividing the Word can, at times, be a strawman excuse for avoiding the conflict IMO.

Jesus taught how one was to be water baptized in Matthew 28:19/20

The Apostles, in various instances in the Epistles, taught/did water baptism a different way.

Given the discrepancy, which should we follow/do?

If I take what you appear to be saying, that would end up people being water baptized:

In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, in the Name of Jesus. right?

Jesus clearly said:

Matthew 28:19)Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Yet, this is not reflected in the Epistles that anyone has found, is it? The Apostles simply said: In the name of Jesus.....

 

[p_rehbein]

We should follow Christ when we have a clear example in the Gospels; otherwise, we should follow the apostles' example.

This is a very good answer. And it clarifies the question posed in the OP. I agree that when we have a definitive statement from Jesus in Scripture on what to do in certain instances, we SHOULD obey Him. And, when there is no definitive statement from Jesus concerning a certain thing, we should obey what the Apostles taught/did concerning that thing.

Given this: ALL Christians/New Believers must be water baptized....... In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Right?

 

[p_rehbein]

I believe doctrine for the body of Christ comes from Paul’s epistles. But remember, what Paul taught was revealed to him by Jesus Christ.

I agree in part. Not ALL that Paul taught was revealed to him by Jesus. In some instances, Paul taught from his own experiences/knowledge. When he wrote in the style of "it would be better that, I would rather that," he was giving his advice on how we could best live a Christ-like life. These teachings were not Commandments from God/Jesus. They were advice. Good advice? Yes. But advice, and not Commandments, and required to be followed to be in obedience to God/Jesus.

Same thing again: Water baptism: Did Paul baptize by saying "in the name of Jesus," as the other Apostles did; or, did he baptize by saying "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost?"

I believe Paul (unlike the other Apostles) did not like to baptize, but there is one or two instances where he did.

Which is the correct way?

 

[AandW]

If we look at the entire Word of God as a whole, and Inspired by God through the Holy Spirit, then it all is equally important because it all comes directly from God.

 

[Blik]

I believe that the core gospel is very simple: Believe upon and come to Jesus by faith alone. No works, rituals, sacraments, ordinances, remembrances. I believe that the just also live by faith alone. I believe in Christian Liberty. I believe that when a Christian loves the Lord and his fellow man, other good things will naturally follow and flow forth. Are these other things prerequisites for salvation? Absolutely not. Are these other things necessary to maintain salvation? Absolutely not. The Word simply states that "by their fruits you shall know them."

Christian Liberty...

Galatians
5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only [use] not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
5:16 [This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

New Creaturehood...

Galatians
6:12 As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
6:13 For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.
6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace [be] on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

This is all so true. The core essential is that we repent and take our sins to Christ for forgiveness. Nothing else is required, nothing.

I used my concordance to bring up every scripture using the word pleasing, and please. I read every scripture about pleasing the Lord, there are many.

When we are at our best, we come so short of being as a God is that Paul says our deeds can be compared to filthy rags, but when we follow the Lord we can act in ways that pleases Him. We will never be saved by those acts, only our faith works for salvation. But it is a wonderful thing to act in a way that is pleasing to God, and we are rewarded for those things, even though our reward is not salvation.

The covenant God made with man at Sinai promises blessings for following God, although there is no promise of salvation for this. That is always through Christ's blood. Blood was always required. That covenant has been improved so much of it is obsolete, but God never changes or lies, and what has not changed is that where are rewards for obedience that is pleasing to the Lord.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I agree that normally one would follow both. However, as in the instance of water baptism, there is a distinct difference between what Jesus said to do and what the Apostles did (as far we we know, for not all that occurred was recorded in the Bible). Some make a serious issue of this when people are NOT baptized "in the name of Jesus" as they believe it is to be done. Even when it is clearly not what Jesus said in Matthew 28:19/20.

In instances such as these, which are we to follow? That is what I am looking for in the Poll. Thanks.

What did the apostles do?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I would say It’s more Important to do what JESUS (GOD In CHRIST) says.🙂
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Luke 10:40-43
King James Version

40 But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me.

41 And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things:

42 But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.
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John 6:63
King James Version

63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are Spirit AND they are life.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Rightly dividing the Word can, at times, be a strawman excuse for avoiding the conflict IMO.

Jesus taught how one was to be water baptized in Matthew 28:19/20

The Apostles, in various instances in the Epistles, taught/did water baptism a different way.

Given the discrepancy, which should we follow/do?

Precious friend, thanks so much for your{IMO} info, and Important question.

Rightly Divided "study" Is God's Answer to the reigning Confusion of modern
"pick and choose" theology/discrepancy, not "knowing WHICH Should we follow":

Concerning water baptism? God's Answer, Rightly Divided!:

Precious friend(s):

{Physical} Water is for the remission of sins, and ONE Of God's THREE
Requirements For The NATION OF ISRAEL to be inducted into the
"priesthood!" {see #'s 4, 9, and 10} here:

13 Bible baptisms

From CHRIST To HIS TWELVE, on the earth! { Currently “On HOLD!” }
Prophecy/Law
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2 : 15 KJB!) From “Things That DIFFER!”:
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MYSTERY/GRACE
From CHRIST To HIS one, From Heaven!! { Currently ACTIVE!}:

The Spiritual {water} is the "Washing Of water By The WORD"
(Ephesians 5 : 26 KJB!), The "Washing Of Regeneration"
(Titus 3 : 5 KJB!)

This Is The OPERATION Of God, The ONE BAPTISM "BY" The ONE
Holy Spirit, into The ONE Body Of CHRIST, Today, Under GRACE!
(Ephesians 4 : 5; 1 Corinthians 12 : 13 KJB!) {see #13} here:
13 Bible baptisms
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Conclusion: WHICH to follow? If the above is not God's Answer Of
"NO { physical } water baptism for Today, Under HIS PURE GRACE,"
but only a "strawman argument for avoiding the issue" then it
certainly will NOT help Solve the Reigning Confusion of
denominational church traditions, All claiming the CORRECT
interpretation from "following Christ AND the apostleS":

1) believe AND be baptized
{i.e. immersion to contact their Christ's blood}?

(2) immersion with a symbolic interpretation?

(3) immersion ONCE in the "name of Jesus?

(4) immersion THRICE in the "name of the Triune Godhead?

(5) immersion {whether once or thrice} for "membership" in
their traditional assembly?

(6) sprinkling water on babies inducting them into religion
washing away their original sin?

(7) sprinkling water on babies inducting them into some covenant?

(8) sprinkling water on babies inducting them into their parent's custody
that they promise to raise them right? {into Mass Confusion?}

(9) sprinkling water on babies, admitting that their ritual is
UNscriptural, but "we do it anyway, because it is OUR tradition!"?

(10) pouring water onto babies or adults for Whatever
traditional reason religion "can come up with"?

Are any of these "Approved Unto God"?

Precious friend(s):
WHICH Disapproved "discrepancy" of tradition will you follow?
{Did not Christ Condemn tradition? (Mat_15:3, Mark_7:8-9 KJB!)}

Or: Shouldn't we all in unity, follow God's Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided, showing ourselves "Approved Unto HIM"?

Precious friend(s), please Be Very Richly Blessed!

 

[ResidentAlien]

Given this: ALL Christians/New Believers must be water baptized....... In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Right?

Absolutely!

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

I would say It’s more Important to do what JESUS (GOD In CHRIST) says.🙂
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Luke 10:40-43
King James Version

40 But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me.

41 And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things:

42 But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.
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John 6:63
King James Version

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are Spirit AND they are life.

JESUS (GOD In CHRIST) says: "...the words that I speak unto you,
they are Spirit AND they are life."

Q: "The red words Christ Spoke on earth, in the 4 gospels Only"? Or:

Are not "Paul's words" in Romans Through Philemon, Also
"The WORDS Of CHRIST, "Revealed To Paul, From Heaven"?:

1Co_2:16 For who hath known The Mind of The LORD,
that he may instruct Him? But we have the Mind Of CHRIST.

2Co_13:3 Since ye seek a proof of Christ Speaking in me,
which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you.

Is there "a risk" thinking that Only the red words are The
Most Important? What happens IF "THEY Are Considered
THE Most Important," but then THEY are DISOBEYED?

q: Paul's words are NOT CHRIST's Important Words To us?:

1Ti_6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to Wholesome Words,
Even The Words of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, And to The Doctrine which is
according to godliness;

q: Are not "CHRIST's Words To Paul, AND us, Today, Under GRACE, Important?

Further Q: Do These "Words In the 4 gospels, AND In Rom-Phm ALL" need to
be Obeyed, OR, do they need to be "Rightly Divided" (2 Timothy 2 : 15 KJB!),
First, And Then Decide WHICH "to obey Today, Under God's Amazing GRACE"?

Examples here:
water baptism "study" post # 18
God's Approval/TWO Different Gospels
Distinctions In God's Two Different Programs: Prophecy vs Mystery!

Be Blessed!