Just Three Mentions of Jesus-Yeshua in the Old Testament

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pottersclay

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JaumeJ the scripture about abraham is taught that this is a pic of Jesus in the old testament.
Now my question for you is this. (Actually anyone opinion is appreciated).
When it is taught I believe they stop short of the full prophecy.
With Abraham taking the ram as a sacrifice would you say that is the pic of the jews offering up Christ to be crucified? A prophetic outcome.
 
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The ram Abraham spoke of saved his son from physical death
The lamb God provides saves us from spiritual death.
The shofar was made out of a rams horn primarily and used in many ways as a instrument of announcement. The story behind it reflects this very passage of abraham's offering.
The details of the horns tangled in the thickets could also be a pic of the crown of thorns jesus was forced to wear.
Just some food for thought☺☺
 
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pottersclay said:
The ram Abraham spoke of saved his son from physical death
The lamb God provides saves us from spiritual death.
The shofar was made out of a rams horn primarily and used in many ways as a instrument of announcement. The story behind it reflects this very passage of abraham's offering.
The details of the horns tangled in the thickets could also be a pic of the crown of thorns jesus was forced to wear.
Just some food for thought☺☺
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Very cool. Thank you!
 
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pottersclay said:
With Abraham taking the ram as a sacrifice would you say that is the pic of the jews offering up Christ to be crucified? A prophetic outcome.
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Well Abraham did prophesy of Christ when he said that God would provide Himself a Lamb. Abraham also fully expected that had he sacrificed Isaac, his son would be resurrected in order to fulfil the prophecies concerning Isaac.

BTW it was not the Jews who were offering up Christ, but it was God the Father offering up His Son for humanity. That was the supreme act of divine love which involved the whole Godhead.
 
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Well Abraham did prophesy of Christ when he said that God would provide Himself a Lamb. Abraham also fully expected that had he sacrificed Isaac, his son would be resurrected in order to fulfil the prophecies concerning Isaac.

BTW it was not the Jews who were offering up Christ, but it was God the Father offering up His Son for humanity. That was the supreme act of divine love which involved the whole Godhead.
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Very true ......what I'm focusing on is the death. To take the ram (lamb) God provided in Abrahams story and kill it. Who taught Abraham to do this?
 
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pottersclay said:
Very true ......what I'm focusing on is the death. To take the ram (lamb) God provided in Abrahams story and kill it. Who taught Abraham to do this?
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That goes all the way back to Abel, perhaps to Adam and Eve, for whom God shed the blood of animals so that they would be clothed.

Who taught Abel? Christ Himself. Thus the people of God understood the necessity of shed blood for the remission of sins. And the Noahic Covenant also makes that quite clear.
 
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In the beginning was "the word",,,,(nomina sacra,cant say or write it) and the word(NS) was with God and the word(NS) was God....
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
That goes all the way back to Abel, perhaps to Adam and Eve, for whom God shed the blood of animals so that they would be clothed.

Who taught Abel? Christ Himself. Thus the people of God understood the necessity of shed blood for the remission of sins. And the Noahic Covenant also makes that quite clear.
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Now we're talking. Finally . . . a group of people who can talk about Scripture to this depth. These are the exact kinds of deep discussions that our Powerful Lord wants to hear us engage in. These, these are the types of conversations that thrills our God! My last pastor never mentioned the name Jesus in the seven months we attended, but he sure taught us how to make papyrus paper (from the pulpit.)
 
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That goes all the way back to Abel, perhaps to Adam and Eve, for whom God shed the blood of animals so that they would be clothed.

Who taught Abel? Christ Himself. Thus the people of God understood the necessity of shed blood for the remission of sins. And the Noahic Covenant also makes that quite clear.
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O I'm not disputing anything you posted here . In fact I look forward to your in put on many subjects.
It seems we skipped a little history here about abraham.
Abraham was a pagan...he made idols for a living. His first covenant with God was a pagan custom in which God honored. Quite interesting if you think about it.
The details are quite clear in the offering up of his son in fact it seems to impress upon the details as a prophetic picture of Jesus. I just think that it's a good possibility that the slaying of the ram is also a
prophetic picture of the actions the jews took when the lamb of God was given.
Case in point if the jews accepted Christ as Messiah would there still be a crucifixion?
 
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pottersclay said:
JaumeJ the scripture about abraham is taught that this is a pic of Jesus in the old testament.
Now my question for you is this. (Actually anyone opinion is appreciated).
When it is taught I believe they stop short of the full prophecy.
With Abraham taking the ram as a sacrifice would you say that is the pic of the jews offering up Christ to be crucified? A prophetic outcome.
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We've got to go to Yom Kippur from here, too

The two goats, one set free, one sacrificed. Isaac set free and the goat in the thicket offered up
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
That goes all the way back to Abel, perhaps to Adam and Eve, for whom God shed the blood of animals so that they would be clothed.

Who taught Abel? Christ Himself. Thus the people of God understood the necessity of shed blood for the remission of sins. And the Noahic Covenant also makes that quite clear.
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To Adam and Eve - - because who taught Cain and Abel? They were commemorating the making of the garments by God, the first Pascha
 
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pottersclay said:
JaumeJ the scripture about abraham is taught that this is a pic of Jesus in the old testament.
Now my question for you is this. (Actually anyone opinion is appreciated).
When it is taught I believe they stop short of the full prophecy.
With Abraham taking the ram as a sacrifice would you say that is the pic of the jews offering up Christ to be crucified? A prophetic outcome.
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I agree the scenario is a picture. But, the fact that it's Abraham's son demanded for sacrifice is more the sign than the actual ram. Yes, God provided the sacrifice, his own son, the Lamb of God, not the ram of God.

The son (Isaac) is the sign more than the ram.

I think anyway.
 
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We've got to go to Yom Kippur from here, too

The two goats, one set free, one sacrificed. Isaac set free and the goat in the thicket offered up
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I didn't pick that up. The scape goat went off into the wilderness with all the sins of the people. It wasn't quite free, it was burdened with sins.

Or that's what I thought.
 
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For any who do not understand how people were taught the Gospel in the Old Testament.

Gen 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
Gen 22:13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
Note that Abraham's prophecy was not fulfilled for he espied a ram, not a Lamb.
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Might I point out that in this context, Isaac (Abraham's "only-begotten") is a foreshadow of Jesus, who is the "only-begotten" of God the Father -- "By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was offering up his only begotten son; it was he to whom it was said, 'In Isaac your descendants shall be called.' He considered that God is able to raise people even from the dead, from which he also received him back as a type." (Hebrews 11:17-19)
 
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I didn't pick that up. The scape goat went off into the wilderness with all the sins of the people. It wasn't quite free, it was burdened with sins.

Or that's what I thought.
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i don't have it either
but it is a double sacrifice, with one offered and the other, having hands laid on it, loosed. so it is a piece of the puzzle
there's some shared aspect in God's plan
 
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i don't have it either
but it is a double sacrifice, with one offered and the other, having hands laid on it, loosed. so it is a piece of the puzzle
there's some shared aspect in God's plan
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I think maybe I was thinking of the expression we use today about a scapegoat. It usually means putting the blame or wrongdoing on someone and calling them a scapegoat.

But, maybe that's not the point of the scapegoat in the law. I could be mixing things up there.
 
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