Does God Command Us to Obey the Governments?

[Deus_Vult]

I know several people are concerned over the possibility of a "herd gathering" ordered by the Government over this Covid vaccination. And many are in complete defiance about getting vaccinated. But isn't it interesting what God, Peter and Paul claims about Government?

1) Matthew 22:21 Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

2) 2 Peter 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

3) Romans 13: 1. All of you must obey the government rulers. Everyone who rules was given the power to rule by God. And all those who rule now were given that power by God.
2. So anyone who is against the government is really against something God has commanded. Those who are against the government bring punishment on themselves.

If what you say is true, then you have to ask yourself why the prophet DANIEL refused to obey the autorithy of his king Darius, and refused to obey the edict about not praying to any God in 30 days. Daniel puts God first... and if some king, president or pope is against God, you can't obey that heretic.

Daniel 6:13 "Then they told the king, “That man Daniel, one of the captives from Judah, is ignoring you and your law. He still prays to his God three times a day.”"

Will you get the 666 mark of the beast when your president commands?

 

[AandW]

The sticky part here is people's consciences (Rom 14:23) in the light of ...
1. It being pushed on the public, like no other vaccine
2. The attended sicknesses and deaths associated with the vaccine.
3. Why? Those that have the vaccine should already be protected from those who can't or refuse.
4. The politicalization and corruption concerning the vaccine (Fauci, WHO etc.) has been so over the top, it carries it's own suspicions.

My wife falls into the third category as she has a brain aneurysm and so Kaiser doesn't even offer it.

I absolutely agree that if we eventually discover that Covid 19 was created in a Lab, and somehow escaped into Society, and then Vaccinations were swiftly created to combat this it is 10% pure sketch like we can see in Fauci. There's even a money trail that Rand Paul is investigating leading from Fauci to these Labs where these Viruses are being altered and created. And don't forget, when HIV his the scene back in the 1980's, it was Fauci who messed it up and people were murdered over unfortunately getting blood transfusions and not from being same sex sexually active. Fauci is a bad character all the way around.

But as bad as that is, we're not disobeying God by getting the Vaccination. If it was presented that in order to get the Vaccine, one must deny God, then this would be a totally difference setting.

My own Mother and Sister have had lifetimes of sickness. Yes, they're over comers through Christ, but both cannot get the Vaccination due to compounds within the make-up of the Vaccine that would cause them literal reactions to assuredly death. I would never hope they are forced to get this Vaccine.

And on the other hand, because they can become sick more often than none, I did get vaccinated to keep from spreading it to them.

But my Mother/Sister refusing the Vaccination or my getting the Vaccination does not go against God either way. But there is coming a time when Society will be forced by the Government to comply. And each time, as long as it does not go against God's Word we are to obey the Government. But the "moment' it does go against God's Word, we better be refusing it!

 

[AandW]

Thanks for explaining. I'm not an American, though a similar line divides Conservatives from Liberals here in Canada.

By the way, using all bold-face font comes across as yelling.

Sorry! I just thought it made a better separation between your words and mine. I will definitely keep that in mind

 

[AandW]

If what you say is true, then you have to ask yourself why the prophet DANIEL refused to obey the autorithy of his king Darius, and refused to obey the edict about not praying to any God in 30 days. Daniel puts God first... and if some king, president or pope is against God, you can't obey that heretic.

Daniel 6:13 "Then they told the king, “That man Daniel, one of the captives from Judah, is ignoring you and your law. He still prays to his God three times a day.”"

Will you get the 666 mark of the beast when your president commands?

All great points made!

No, I am not taking the Mark of the Beast, nor would I agree to kill my neighbor or commit adultery to my neighbors wife if the Government commanded it.

But I do not believe in this moment in time that obeying and getting Vaccinated is going directly against the Word of God but rather obeying what Paul wrote.

 

[PennEd]

We have a number of Americans here who belong to groups that believe in Conspiracy Theories

For those that aren’t involved in perpetrating a conspiracy, ALL true conspiracies uncovered by people originally start as a theory.

The key is to have discernment in seeing what is true and what is false.

There is such an avalanche of evidence that the virus, and it’s ultimate goal of vaccinating the entire world with this exceedingly dangerous gene therapy, that it is no longer a theory at all.

 

[crossnote]

But my Mother/Sister refusing the Vaccination or my getting the Vaccination does not go against God either way. But there is coming a time when Society will be forced by the Government to comply. And each time, as long as it does not go against God's Word we are to obey the Government. But the "moment' it does go against God's Word, we better be refusing it!

Good points, but i`d still be curious to know why the government would make it mandatory.
In the meantime I believe it should be left up to each person`s conscience. n`est pas?

 

[AandW]

For those that aren’t involved in perpetrating a conspiracy, ALL true conspiracies uncovered by people originally start as a theory.

The key is to have discernment in seeing what is true and what is false.

There is such an avalanche of evidence that the virus, and it’s ultimate goal of vaccinating the entire world with this exceedingly dangerous gene therapy, that it is no longer a theory at all.

Amen!

Here is something I have not figured out nor has my personal Doctor. I did get both Pfizer Vaccinations 2 months ago. Last week I was scheduled for 1 of 2 Physicals I get free yearly through my Health Insurance. Since getting Vaccinated, at an average rate, nothing alarming, nothing to even worry about, but for some reason I have used the restroom a couple times more on average and have lost 37 pounds which my ultimately goal is around 75.

So I explain this to my Doctor and he does a complete panel of blood work and other testing to compare with on file. The results, nothing has changed and if anything I have improved in areas that were borderline low and now somewhere in a happy medium.

The Doctor though, not alarmed or confused, cannot connect the dots to my stable and in some places improved health nor to my sudden weight loss and more frequent trips to the restroom with the Vaccination. He has that same Vaccination in his office and sent it out to be tested. Nothing alarming or within the components to indicate any reason for my improvements.

After discussing everything with my Doctor, he finally asked me what I thought. That is when it hit me. I told him how many in my Faith believe this Vaccination represents this/that/and what else. Then I mentioned Romans about obeying the Government via my getting the Vaccination. Ultimately, right then and there, I concluded the Vaccination did no harm to me but rather just the opposite. And the reason for that was my mindset aligned with God's Word before accepting the first and then second Vaccinations. It's the only reason I can think of and what has impressed upon my thoughts.

 

[AandW]

Good points, but i`d still be curious to know why the government would make it mandatory.
In the meantime I believe it should be left up to each person`s conscience. n`est pas?

I am wondering that myself. Biden is so wishy washy I definitely expect it to happen sooner than later.

 

[crossnote]

I am wondering that myself. Biden is so wishy washy I definitely expect it to happen sooner than later.

If it becomes mandatory due to Biden`s wishy washiness, then you can be pretty sure there is a skunk in the camp.

 

[Blik]

If you are referring to our Monarchy, yes. We are not to obey any allowed to be in power if they are not in the faith. Look at the records of world leaders, but truly examine them.

Paul said we should obey our government. Hitler used this, telling preachers what they should teach.

Christ gave God's answer for us when Christ said to give to Caesar (government) was is of Caesar and to God what is of God. Christ said this when Rome was not "in the faith". When Hitler asked people to disobey the Lord, Hitler was out of line and not to be obeyed.

 

[PennEd]

Amen!

After reading your post, not sure why you are amening!

I think taking part in an experiment, with an injectable material that affects your genes, is in no way something God wants us to do.

Especially with a virus that has a 99.8 % survival rate.

 

[AandW]

After reading your post, not sure why you are amening!

I think taking part in an experiment, with an injectable material that affects your genes, is in no way something God wants us to do.

Especially with a virus that has a 99.8 % survival rate.

Because my Doctor did a full panel on the Vaccine and allowed me to have the results. There is no luciferian component, there are no nonferous metals, a blacklight does not make the spot where i was vaccinated turn blue like reported from the conspiracy theorist, I have access to multiple strengths of magnets and they do not stick to my arms, hands, forehead, anywhere on my body, and there are no literal genetics involved.

What is involved according to the panel, is the ability to pretend like I had Covid that tricks my defense mechanisms to understand the Virus in case I ever am infected by it.

But masking genetics is done all of the time and this is the first time ever it has come into question. Your polio Vaccines, the flu Vaccine, children's Booster Vaccines against Measles/Mumps/Scarlet Fever/etc are all genetic masks to trick the cells into recognizing if the Virus ever enters the bloodstream. They've been doing this for years. But because this Vaccination was rush rush, suddenly it was a deception to humanity. No, the actual deception to humanity was telling us Covid started by eating bats and snakes rather than admitting there was a Lab leak.

 

[JaumeJ]

Paul said we should obey our government. Hitler used this, telling preachers what they should teach.

Christ gave God's answer for us when Christ said to give to Caesar (government) was is of Caesar and to God what is of God. Christ said this when Rome was not "in the faith". When Hitler asked people to disobey the Lord, Hitler was out of line and not to be obeyed.

Believing Jesus-Yeshua first is never a stumbling block to any given to govern mere nations, however upon true study we find it is always best to obey Jesus, not another. In so doing we cannot offend any, unless they are of the enemy.