Once saved allways saved teaches a christian can never become possessed.
I believe other wise so lets look at the facts.
Now please dont be insulted by this lets look at the facts and vote when the forum comes to an end
Lets not make this personal where we start insulting each other. and lets pray we remain forgiving here towards each other for our difference in opinions. lets remember there is still time to recieve the spirit when we feal like people are suggesting other wise or where not saved. (the thief on the cross)
Lets not also go into works based salvation argument either. i am here to learn also.
How ever works are are a requirement and we should respect that fact.
For those of you that may want to condem me just beaware ive had 30 years of condemnation and im ok with any scripture you post to try to condem me with. also be aware that when you use scripture to condem somone you may be getting denomic oppression from the outside.
this is where one should take there thoughts captive.
Please also be aware that i love all scripture and i dont feal condemed by any scripture, but i do get convicted.
I believe the power of the holy spirit can set a demon possessed person free from a living person. but as you know in scripture it warns us they can come back.
As you know this scripture Romans 10:9 - If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,... 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
as you know the above is a process. so say i say this thrase whilst i am addicted to ciggeretes or medication or drugs can i still not be saved or i will be completely saved one day is more the point.
Jesus saved people when he rid people of a demon, but did they still needed a saviour for the rest of there life as he told them they can come back. and isnt this the same as the process of growing in the lord and allways needing a saviour whilst your saved. is the danger here we forget we still need a saviour when where saved especially from demons.
Does it mean you lose the holy spirit if you get reposessed by a demon or you havent been been saved in the first place. im not so sure on that. i think this is a real problem
for people who suffer denomic oppression or denomic possesion.
My experince is denomic oppression for the unknowing person can do just as much harm as denomic possession to an individual. so why claim one is the lesser of the two evils. Both can make a person fall from grace on any given day. some christians believe that denomic possesion is more of an issue than denomic oppression. that denomic oppresion is no big deal.
Are children befor the age of accountabilty which is known to be the age of ten protected ? because they dont know how to study the word. I would like to think they are based on this scripture. Matthew 18:10 See that you do not look down on any of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of My Father in heaven. "See that you do not despise one of these little ones.
But many times myself as a child befor the age of ten i was attacked by demons and possessed by them and almost killed by them. even as little as 4 years old 4 5 6 7 8 9 10.
at 7 and 9 i suffered brain damage to
many many times i have seen them and they have been pulled from my body. many times first thing of a morning when ive just woke up ive felt one moving around in side my body. then it gets pulled from me. many times i have had the power of the holy spirit flow through me into a close friend who i see a lot and witnessed a demon be pulled from them as i have laid hands on them.
I wonder if its because when i smoked the holy spirit can not dwell as well in my body because smoking is known to be an addiction that defiles your own body. and then there is scripture that points towards the the holy spirit can not dwell in a house that is unclean. But we still need hope God wont give up on us in this occasion just as much as once saved allways saved needs hope they will allways need a saviour.
I see that christians believe in once saved allways saved, but should that include not being reposessed. Im not so sure that it should. because of the power a demon posseses. and the destruction a demon can do to a person just by denomic oppression alone.
Once saved allways saved has the belief you can never lose the spirit. and you will allways be holy spirit filled. which i agree upon. but what happens if you get extremly drunk on booze or become addicted to drugs or develop a chemical inbalance in the brain. or develop brain damage or become mentaly retarded like develop Alzheimer's
Do some once saved always saved believers become more holier than thow and become to self rightouse for there own good and forget those who are weakin faith and body.
Do they even know a person can be driven mad by denomic oppression.
who would say a saved person could become repossesed then, i think not many people.
But Jesus does say so. it is written Jesus saved many people from a demon and warned them, they could come back.
I also read that medication for mental illness that can occur to anyone of us can dope you up to the point where you may as well have a drug addiction.
And im not saying that reposession of an evil spirit means loss of salvation. but i feal some people may. Or some people believe you where never saved in the first place.
I dont agree with any of this.
The signs of being possessed that other people have comfirmed to me are true. Your body sudenly becoming light in weight as you feal a demon leave your body. Its happened to me more than like twenty times or more. and ive seen it as it left. sometimes i see a demon in mist form other times in there true aperance and other times mimicking a living person
Shivers up your spine means a demon is near to or trying to take up possesion.
I have seen them take up the aperance of people and change apearance befor my very eyes i have seen them twisting childrens thoughts and aldults and speaking in childrens ears who i would like to feal are protected. I have seen them when no one else in the room has.
in this occasion it denomic oppression i witness but still it was harful enough to make a person take there own life. what was being said to children was encouraging them to put them selves in danger.
Remember in the bible A demon (satan) tryed to get jesus the throw him self of a cliff.
So why feal demonic oppression is less than denomic possession.
Well its because christians feal there must be something wrong with them if they get possessed.
But what they dont realise is denomic oppression is just as severe as denomic possesion.
There is so much i could tell you. i herd that a chemical inbalance from any mental illness can cause a person to become reposessed.
That could be a possible 3 billion people being possesed in the world.
I think the real problem here in our christian beliefs is a christian who becomes possessed was never a christian in the first place, or a christian can never be possessed is a major problem, one that i can never agree upon.
Or a christian who becomes possessed was never saved in the first place is absolutey crazy to me.
Because as you know once you become saved you remain saved whilst the holy spirit cleanses you from sin every time you sin.
Once saved allways saved also believes that you will still sin but remain saved.
So isnt that the same as you can be saved but still become possessed.
Isnt being possessed looked upon as not being the persons fault by Jesus who freed many people from Demons.
In the bible it says that all the precious stones of jasper and emerald and topaz adorned lucifer befor he fell. there the same 12 stones that where given to the 12 sons of jacob. so i kinda got to thinking that theese stones and colours where special stones from God. and after just staring into theese colours on the internet and praying i began to cast away a demon especialy amythiest and blue sapphire and sardia and jasper and carbuncle but more blue sapphire.
I suspect that theese stones no longer adorned lucifer, who was once a leading guardian cherub who fell,, and i suspect theese stones through the power of the holy spirit and Jesus can be used by us to cast out demons and grow our belief and hope as we pray to Jesus, and being enelightened by theese colours.
In the bible as you know theese stones where on the breastplate of the priests and known to light up when they pray.ed theyve worked for me hundreds of times and i do mean hundreds.
They helped me to grow belief to for me. and its the power of belief we need to cast out demons.
I must stress tho it is only praying to Jesus that theese stones work for me.
People believe that when you look into theese colours and pray it opens doors. I believe it increases the power of hope and belief as theese colours enlighten you as you gaze in to them and pray to Jesus at the same time. The joy of the lord is our strenght. and i certainly feal theese stones are a joy of the lord, as it is written theese stones adorned the angels. I bought a blue sapphire thats resembles agate one of the precious stones in heaven. every time the light shines on it the colours that come out of it our amazing. I gaze everyday now.
I once had a dream i was taken to heaven where i met God whos eyes where shining in a beautiful blue sapphire. a light came into me that changed colour to silver zeblon and blue sapphire. ever since then i have been performing spiritual exorcism..
I feal ihave been given a gift.
I believe other wise so lets look at the facts.
Now please dont be insulted by this lets look at the facts and vote when the forum comes to an end
Lets not make this personal where we start insulting each other. and lets pray we remain forgiving here towards each other for our difference in opinions. lets remember there is still time to recieve the spirit when we feal like people are suggesting other wise or where not saved. (the thief on the cross)
Lets not also go into works based salvation argument either. i am here to learn also.
How ever works are are a requirement and we should respect that fact.
For those of you that may want to condem me just beaware ive had 30 years of condemnation and im ok with any scripture you post to try to condem me with. also be aware that when you use scripture to condem somone you may be getting denomic oppression from the outside.
this is where one should take there thoughts captive.
Please also be aware that i love all scripture and i dont feal condemed by any scripture, but i do get convicted.
I believe the power of the holy spirit can set a demon possessed person free from a living person. but as you know in scripture it warns us they can come back.
As you know this scripture Romans 10:9 - If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,... 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
as you know the above is a process. so say i say this thrase whilst i am addicted to ciggeretes or medication or drugs can i still not be saved or i will be completely saved one day is more the point.
Jesus saved people when he rid people of a demon, but did they still needed a saviour for the rest of there life as he told them they can come back. and isnt this the same as the process of growing in the lord and allways needing a saviour whilst your saved. is the danger here we forget we still need a saviour when where saved especially from demons.
Does it mean you lose the holy spirit if you get reposessed by a demon or you havent been been saved in the first place. im not so sure on that. i think this is a real problem
for people who suffer denomic oppression or denomic possesion.
My experince is denomic oppression for the unknowing person can do just as much harm as denomic possession to an individual. so why claim one is the lesser of the two evils. Both can make a person fall from grace on any given day. some christians believe that denomic possesion is more of an issue than denomic oppression. that denomic oppresion is no big deal.
Are children befor the age of accountabilty which is known to be the age of ten protected ? because they dont know how to study the word. I would like to think they are based on this scripture. Matthew 18:10 See that you do not look down on any of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of My Father in heaven. "See that you do not despise one of these little ones.
But many times myself as a child befor the age of ten i was attacked by demons and possessed by them and almost killed by them. even as little as 4 years old 4 5 6 7 8 9 10.
at 7 and 9 i suffered brain damage to
many many times i have seen them and they have been pulled from my body. many times first thing of a morning when ive just woke up ive felt one moving around in side my body. then it gets pulled from me. many times i have had the power of the holy spirit flow through me into a close friend who i see a lot and witnessed a demon be pulled from them as i have laid hands on them.
I wonder if its because when i smoked the holy spirit can not dwell as well in my body because smoking is known to be an addiction that defiles your own body. and then there is scripture that points towards the the holy spirit can not dwell in a house that is unclean. But we still need hope God wont give up on us in this occasion just as much as once saved allways saved needs hope they will allways need a saviour.
I see that christians believe in once saved allways saved, but should that include not being reposessed. Im not so sure that it should. because of the power a demon posseses. and the destruction a demon can do to a person just by denomic oppression alone.
Once saved allways saved has the belief you can never lose the spirit. and you will allways be holy spirit filled. which i agree upon. but what happens if you get extremly drunk on booze or become addicted to drugs or develop a chemical inbalance in the brain. or develop brain damage or become mentaly retarded like develop Alzheimer's
Do some once saved always saved believers become more holier than thow and become to self rightouse for there own good and forget those who are weakin faith and body.
Do they even know a person can be driven mad by denomic oppression.
who would say a saved person could become repossesed then, i think not many people.
But Jesus does say so. it is written Jesus saved many people from a demon and warned them, they could come back.
I also read that medication for mental illness that can occur to anyone of us can dope you up to the point where you may as well have a drug addiction.
And im not saying that reposession of an evil spirit means loss of salvation. but i feal some people may. Or some people believe you where never saved in the first place.
I dont agree with any of this.
The signs of being possessed that other people have comfirmed to me are true. Your body sudenly becoming light in weight as you feal a demon leave your body. Its happened to me more than like twenty times or more. and ive seen it as it left. sometimes i see a demon in mist form other times in there true aperance and other times mimicking a living person
Shivers up your spine means a demon is near to or trying to take up possesion.
I have seen them take up the aperance of people and change apearance befor my very eyes i have seen them twisting childrens thoughts and aldults and speaking in childrens ears who i would like to feal are protected. I have seen them when no one else in the room has.
in this occasion it denomic oppression i witness but still it was harful enough to make a person take there own life. what was being said to children was encouraging them to put them selves in danger.
Remember in the bible A demon (satan) tryed to get jesus the throw him self of a cliff.
So why feal demonic oppression is less than denomic possession.
Well its because christians feal there must be something wrong with them if they get possessed.
But what they dont realise is denomic oppression is just as severe as denomic possesion.
There is so much i could tell you. i herd that a chemical inbalance from any mental illness can cause a person to become reposessed.
That could be a possible 3 billion people being possesed in the world.
I think the real problem here in our christian beliefs is a christian who becomes possessed was never a christian in the first place, or a christian can never be possessed is a major problem, one that i can never agree upon.
Or a christian who becomes possessed was never saved in the first place is absolutey crazy to me.
Because as you know once you become saved you remain saved whilst the holy spirit cleanses you from sin every time you sin.
Once saved allways saved also believes that you will still sin but remain saved.
So isnt that the same as you can be saved but still become possessed.
Isnt being possessed looked upon as not being the persons fault by Jesus who freed many people from Demons.
In the bible it says that all the precious stones of jasper and emerald and topaz adorned lucifer befor he fell. there the same 12 stones that where given to the 12 sons of jacob. so i kinda got to thinking that theese stones and colours where special stones from God. and after just staring into theese colours on the internet and praying i began to cast away a demon especialy amythiest and blue sapphire and sardia and jasper and carbuncle but more blue sapphire.
I suspect that theese stones no longer adorned lucifer, who was once a leading guardian cherub who fell,, and i suspect theese stones through the power of the holy spirit and Jesus can be used by us to cast out demons and grow our belief and hope as we pray to Jesus, and being enelightened by theese colours.
In the bible as you know theese stones where on the breastplate of the priests and known to light up when they pray.ed theyve worked for me hundreds of times and i do mean hundreds.
They helped me to grow belief to for me. and its the power of belief we need to cast out demons.
I must stress tho it is only praying to Jesus that theese stones work for me.
People believe that when you look into theese colours and pray it opens doors. I believe it increases the power of hope and belief as theese colours enlighten you as you gaze in to them and pray to Jesus at the same time. The joy of the lord is our strenght. and i certainly feal theese stones are a joy of the lord, as it is written theese stones adorned the angels. I bought a blue sapphire thats resembles agate one of the precious stones in heaven. every time the light shines on it the colours that come out of it our amazing. I gaze everyday now.
I once had a dream i was taken to heaven where i met God whos eyes where shining in a beautiful blue sapphire. a light came into me that changed colour to silver zeblon and blue sapphire. ever since then i have been performing spiritual exorcism..
I feal ihave been given a gift.
