Well even in Joel or Acts, only 3,000 souls were saved that day. We know Israel had millions of people because 40 years later in 70 A.D. the Romans killed over 1 million Jews. But if 3,000 souls were saved on the Day of Pentecost, and to you that represents then, that means God lied because only 3,000 souls were saved out of millions. The mathematics doesn't add up though. Pour out My Spirit on All Souls = 3,000 out of millions.
Pentecostalism's sketchy origins
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Point out these false doctrines ... I was saved by the message of the cross. We believe in Christ and Him crucified. that is one message the devil won't go near.
Yes we WILL and we ARE reaching all nations. And when the full number of the Gentiles come in will come the backlash, the conditions Jesus spoke about in Matt. 24. It is not me who says "this gospel will be preached in all nations for a witness .... "
Come on let's see some of those false doctrines.
Yes we WILL and we ARE reaching all nations. And when the full number of the Gentiles come in will come the backlash, the conditions Jesus spoke about in Matt. 24. It is not me who says "this gospel will be preached in all nations for a witness .... "
Come on let's see some of those false doctrines.
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Well, since the end of the 6ties the charismatic movement entered the RCC. For them it no problem to teach the RCC doctrine as well the Charismatic/pentecostal teachings about the Holy Spirit. So approximatly a 3rd ( but i am not shure this amount is correct) of RCC members can count to the Charismatic movement.
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Have to be honest here, like i try to be all of the time, but I am thinking the RCC becoming Charismatic has been a European issue. I do not find anything like it in the USA's RCC. In the USA, the RCC and majority of Denominations are pushing this Open and Affirming Doctrine for Same Sex Leaders that comes straight from the pits of Hell.
A friend of mine invited me to a church that his parents had been attending and I agreed to go with his parents, his wife and children. They handed me a bulletin when I sat down. As I was reading the pure baloney they stand for as Doctrine, a woman started speaking from the pulpit to read Psalms 138. I hurried and opened my Bible, not interested in using theirs, I began following along as she began reciting 138. Immediately, my version was much different than hers (mine being KJV). It had words describing God as the Mother of Nature and Her instead of Him. Red Flags were popping up in my spirit like a traffic stop light. Not long after her reciting Psalms 138, the Pastor approached the podium and began speaking. Without using my filter, the words just popped right out of my mouth, he is HOMOSEXUAL! Which made many turn toward me and give me hateful looks, including my friend and his family. I told my friend I can't do this, this is an outright abomination unto God. I got up and left. As I was exiting the building, an usher by the title of Deacon stopped me and asked if everything was ok? I said, Nope, I am not interested in entertaining your demons and walked away.
I went home and researched this Church. Turns out, it's an offshoot of the Catholic Church with less rules and regulations called the United Church of Christ. It was a complete Mockery unto God. But offshoots or the Catholic Church itself, here in the USA, they are not Charismatic, they are Demonic!
A friend of mine invited me to a church that his parents had been attending and I agreed to go with his parents, his wife and children. They handed me a bulletin when I sat down. As I was reading the pure baloney they stand for as Doctrine, a woman started speaking from the pulpit to read Psalms 138. I hurried and opened my Bible, not interested in using theirs, I began following along as she began reciting 138. Immediately, my version was much different than hers (mine being KJV). It had words describing God as the Mother of Nature and Her instead of Him. Red Flags were popping up in my spirit like a traffic stop light. Not long after her reciting Psalms 138, the Pastor approached the podium and began speaking. Without using my filter, the words just popped right out of my mouth, he is HOMOSEXUAL! Which made many turn toward me and give me hateful looks, including my friend and his family. I told my friend I can't do this, this is an outright abomination unto God. I got up and left. As I was exiting the building, an usher by the title of Deacon stopped me and asked if everything was ok? I said, Nope, I am not interested in entertaining your demons and walked away.
I went home and researched this Church. Turns out, it's an offshoot of the Catholic Church with less rules and regulations called the United Church of Christ. It was a complete Mockery unto God. But offshoots or the Catholic Church itself, here in the USA, they are not Charismatic, they are Demonic!
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Of COURSE you want an argument, what you mean is you don't want to lose an argument ... you posted this topic to start an argument or debate.
I dismissed your OP as a false premise because Pentecostalism did not begin at Asuza St. so it is not valid to argue against Pentecostalism on the basis of what happened at Asuza St.
You have to argue from the bible.
I dismissed your OP as a false premise because Pentecostalism did not begin at Asuza St. so it is not valid to argue against Pentecostalism on the basis of what happened at Asuza St.
You have to argue from the bible.
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Thats in deed terrible. The most rcc charismatics are to find in asia, latinamerica and africa. We have too. And it is strange that the Holy Spirit is accepting RCC teachings and Rituals.
I cant believe this. And in your expierience it is good to see wher But, Paul nowhere taught that speaking in tongues is the proof/sign, that someone is baptised with the Holy Spirit.
And why you all ignore 1.Cor. 12:30?
I cant believe this. And in your expierience it is good to see wher But, Paul nowhere taught that speaking in tongues is the proof/sign, that someone is baptised with the Holy Spirit.
And why you all ignore 1.Cor. 12:30?
Fully agree with this response. this is what we have been saying Pentacostels see the day of Pentecost and the Gifts of the Holy Spirit starting in Acts chapter 2. Through the New Testament writing in Acts, 1corinthans, Eph 4, and 2 corinthians, and down through the church age to Azusa the Move of God healing gifts of the Holy Spirit are well seen and have been attacked every time by skeptics. HAS they were on the Very Day of the Empowering of the Church recorded in Acts 2.
The old attack doesn't work anymore because Pentecostals are not learned in church History and have withstood the attacks from those who say it is not for today. We can show in both the Old and New Testaments where the empowering of the Holy Spirit is normative and needed more now than ever before.
So, those who can't prove biblically what is not there in the bible and no longer able to intimate the Pentecostals as they did before.
they have to create a false narrative and look outside of the word of God to attack us with pagan practices.
they take 1cor 13:8-10 and try to magically say the bible is here so the gifts of the Holy Spirit are done away with. And when called on it they say it is too deep for one to understand or they result to human reasoning and " say " I have not seen anything done today as it was in the New Testament".
And you never will. LOL.
The old attack doesn't work anymore because Pentecostals are not learned in church History and have withstood the attacks from those who say it is not for today. We can show in both the Old and New Testaments where the empowering of the Holy Spirit is normative and needed more now than ever before.
So, those who can't prove biblically what is not there in the bible and no longer able to intimate the Pentecostals as they did before.
they have to create a false narrative and look outside of the word of God to attack us with pagan practices.
they take 1cor 13:8-10 and try to magically say the bible is here so the gifts of the Holy Spirit are done away with. And when called on it they say it is too deep for one to understand or they result to human reasoning and " say " I have not seen anything done today as it was in the New Testament".
And you never will. LOL.
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It only reveals true ignorance from them and I will prove it.
1. Paul used 2 forms of terms for Languages
1A. Tongues
1B. Speaking in Tongues
Whenever Paul spoke about the Heavenly Language he ALWAYS used Speaking in Tongues or Speaking in other Tongues. He clarifies there is a difference between Speaking in Tongues and talking in your own Language.
The Verse example in 1 Corinthians 13: 8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
...specifies the normal Language.
Verse 8 does not state Speaking in Tongues, it clarifies Tongues only, which is English, Espano, Francais, Deutsch, Mandarin, Swahili, all human Languages.
There's coming a time when knowledge (which today we are more knowledgeable than at any other time) and tongues (all forms of Languages like our human Languages) will cease. Nowhere does this Verse relate to the Gifts of the Spirit!
Why they don't understand this is beyond me, but hey, slow is slow and many people fit that bill mentally!
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LOL weak and completely out of context. The 1cor 13 is not about tongues it is about Love and using the gifts of the Holy without love..
FYI it is known in Christian Hermeneutics as the love Chapter.
And in addition, you are true "ignorance" because chapters 14 and 14 are unit Chapters speaking to the context started in Chapter 12.
If you understood the context and the Authorial intent you would know just because there is a new chapter doesn't mean the context has ended. You do not dismiss the context of 1cor Chapter 12 by changing it in Chapter 13.
The tongues identified in Chapter 12 which is a gift is the tongues spoken in chapters 13 & 14.
Please don't tell me about the ignorance you have displayed greatly here.
Thank you.
FYI it is known in Christian Hermeneutics as the love Chapter.
And in addition, you are true "ignorance" because chapters 14 and 14 are unit Chapters speaking to the context started in Chapter 12.
If you understood the context and the Authorial intent you would know just because there is a new chapter doesn't mean the context has ended. You do not dismiss the context of 1cor Chapter 12 by changing it in Chapter 13.
The tongues identified in Chapter 12 which is a gift is the tongues spoken in chapters 13 & 14.
Please don't tell me about the ignorance you have displayed greatly here.
Thank you.