Can One Hack Heaven

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Ahwatukee

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Is it possible to gain entry into heaven via a secret passage way?

Some preachers actually tell people that if they are left behind at the Rapture, all they need to do is avoid the Mark of the Beast, suffer the beheading, and bingo, you're a qualified Tribulation Saint!

This podcaster disagrees with this view.

Listen to it at: https://anchor.fm/anax-jos/episodes/Hacking-Heaven-erotin/a-a1q08g
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"There is nothing in all creation that is hidden from Him. All things are laid bare and open before Him."

That should take care of the question as to whether anyone can sneak in through a secret passage way. In addition, one would have to obtain an immortal and glorified by from the Lord and caught up. How would anyone be able to ascend up into heaven without God?

Jesus is the One who searches the hearts and the minds. He knows those who belong to Him. Even if someone was able to avoid the worship of the beast, his image and receiving his mark, an individual still has to have faith in Christ as Lord and Savior to be saved. If there were people that didn't believe in Christ and were able escape the beast and God's wrath, when the Lord returned to the earth to end the age, the angels would gather those people and bring them back to be killed by the Lord. During that time there will be those are for Christ and prepared to be persecuted and to die for Him and the wicked who will not believe. There will be no neutrality.
 

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Some preachers actually tell people that if they are left behind at the Rapture, all they need to do is avoid the Mark of the Beast, suffer the beheading, and bingo, you're a qualified Tribulation Saint!
Poor students of Scripture OVERLOOKED: Post Departure "Deception!"
The pre-tribulation rapture is simply not correct.. The rapture will happen on the day of the second coming of the LORD Jesus..
Precious friend, IF The Great GRACE Departure is NOT When God Says it is, and
is at the "second coming, when the beast and ALL UNbelievers are destroyed" then the Following "Mystery" Scripture Simply Cannot Be True, eh?:

Part 16: Great GRACE Departure!
Post Departure "Deception!":

Just AFTER The Resurrection/Departure Of The Body Of CHRIST To HEAVEN!:

Problem: those "Left Behind who heard and Understood" God's Most Wonderful
"Gospel Of GRACE"
will have NO SECOND CHANCE, According to God's Pure
And Holy WORD!:


Does anyone NOTICE the following DOUBLE DECEPTION!?}

"Even him {THE Wicked one}, whose coming is after the working of Satan
with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of
unrighteousness in them that perish
, because they received not The Love Of
The Truth
, that they might be saved. And for this cause God Shall Send them
Strong Delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned
who BELIEVED NOT THE TRUTH
, but had pleasure in unrighteousness!"
(2 Thessalonians_2 : 9-12)

TODAY Is THE Day of {MYSTERY/GRACE!} Salvation, And The END of
The Current "Age of God's Amazing GRACE" = Great GRACE Departure!


While TODAY, The "Day Of Salvation" Still Exists, This Current Gospel Is As:
SIMPLE As Can Be!


Be Blessed!
 

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I'm less familiar with passages that are interpreted to be part of the pre-trib rapture. Is there anything that definitively says yay or nay for pre-trib rapture?
Precious friend, There Are Plenty Of Scriptures "to become FULLY familiar with"
for The PRE-TOJT Departure Of The Body Of CHRIST! Definitely "yay!"
One is in the previous post!

Let me know when you are ready to begin with the others...

Be Blessed!
 

Adstar

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Where 1Th4:17 is concerned, that passage says [v.16] "the DEAD IN Christ shall rise first: [17] Then we which are ALIVE and remain shall be CAUGHT UP [verb] TOGETHER [adverb] with [G4862] them in the clouds, to/unto [the] meeting [noun] of the Lord in the air, and so/thus/in this manner shall we ever be with [G4862 - UNIONed-with] the Lord"


Consider:

--from BibleHub: "In 1 Thessalonians 4:17 and 1 Thessalonians 5:10, where ἅμα is followed by σύν, ἅμα is an adverb ([defined as] at the same time) and must be joined to the verb."

[underline, sizing, and bracketed insert mine; parentheses and bold original]


--this means that the "caught up" [/snatch- / rapture-] action FOR BOTH takes place "AT THE SAME TIME"


--so that this sentence is NOT saying that we-the-'still-alive'-ones will be "caught up" TO WHERE the "dead in Christ" will have ALREADY BEEN LOCATED, thus our meeting THEM THERE, "in the air" (where they'll already be located). NO.


--the "caught up / rapture / snatch"-action itself occurs for BOTH "the DEAD IN Christ" (who shall 'rise first' before [and FOR] this "caught up / rapture / snatch"-action) AND the "we which are ALIVE and remain" ones, "AT THE SAME TIME"--which action involves our "physical" bodies (albeit "glorified / perfected" ones); IOW, "the DEAD IN Christ" will not have their glorified/perfected bodies until the time surrounding "our Rapture" event (when they "shall rise first" just prior to our being "caught up TOGETHER")
I already stated that the Bible shows that there will be martyrs in heaven with the LORD before the return of the Messiah Jesus.. But how many Christians have been martyred? Only a small percentage..

So yes living Christians and dead Christians will be caught up to meet Jesus on the day of his second coming..
 

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"In My Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and welcome you into My presence, so that you also may be where I am."
His Fathers house is the New Jerusalem.. This place is described in the Book of Revelation as our eternal home.. Note what the Bible says about this place..

Revelation 21: KJV
1 "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. {2} And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. {3} And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. {4} And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."

So this House the tabernacle of God will be coming out of Heaven and down to us.. We are not going to be living in it in heaven.. It's coming down to us..
 

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Is it possible to gain entry into heaven via a secret passage way?
There is no secret passageway, and any talk about "hacking" Heaven is nonsense.
 

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So yes living Christians and dead Christians will be caught up to meet Jesus on the day of his second coming..
Not on the day of His Second Coming. That's when He brings all the saints WITH Him. The Resurrection/Rapture is a totally separate event which must occur at least seven years before the Second Coming of Christ. Why is there so much confusion about something so simple? Looks like a lot of false teachers have come out of the woodwork.
 

Adstar

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Not on the day of His Second Coming. That's when He brings all the saints WITH Him. The Resurrection/Rapture is a totally separate event which must occur at least seven years before the Second Coming of Christ. Why is there so much confusion about something so simple? Looks like a lot of false teachers have come out of the woodwork.
Right back at you..
 

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Is it possible to gain entry into heaven via a secret passage way?

Some preachers actually tell people that if they are left behind at the Rapture, all they need to do is avoid the Mark of the Beast, suffer the beheading, and bingo, you're a qualified Tribulation Saint!

This podcaster disagrees with this view.

Listen to it at: https://anchor.fm/anax-jos/episodes/Hacking-Heaven-erotin/a-a1q08g
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none of God's blood bought children will get left behind.
 

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His Fathers house is the New Jerusalem.. This place is described in the Book of Revelation as our eternal home.. Note what the Bible says about this place..

Revelation 21: KJV
1 "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. {2} And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. {3} And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. {4} And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."

So this House the tabernacle of God will be coming out of Heaven and down to us.. We are not going to be living in it in heaven.. It's coming down to us..
Hi Adstar,

Yes, I'm very familiar with the New Jerusalem scriptures. If I wasn't then I shouldn't be commenting on anything having to do with end-time events.

If the meaning to John 14:1-3 was that the New Jerusalem was going to come down to us, it would not fit the scripture. For Jesus said "I will come back and take you to be with me so that you also may be where I am," which would be the Father's house in heaven. Regarding this, Paul said the following:

"But our citizenship is in heaven, and we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21who, by the power that enables Him to subject all things to Himself, will transform our lowly bodies to be like His glorious body."

Therefore, John 14:1-3 is not talking about the Lord bringing those places in the Father's house down to us, but is taking about returning to get us and to take us back to those places which is in the Father's house in heaven. Also, the time when He will transform our lowly bodies, changing them from mortal to immortal, will take place when He comes to get us, which is prior to God's wrath, prior to the millennial kingdom and after the great white throne judgment. It's very important to read the fine print of these details:

"My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am."

The detailed account of how the Lord will come back and get us and take us to those places where He is, is given in detail in 1 Thess. 4:16-17
 

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In my opinion, Jesus actually implies it's possible to attempt to gain entrance via other routes, but that in the long run it will be a futile attempt and not end well.

Matthew 22:11-23
11And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 12And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 13Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

John 10:1-2
1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
amen !

“Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.(Galatians 3:28)

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:7-11, 14-16, 27-30‬ ‭

“Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you.

I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
‭‭John‬ ‭14:1-4, 6-9, 21, 23-26‬ ‭


“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20

one way for sure
 
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amen !

“Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.(Galatians 3:28)

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:7-11, 14-16, 27-30‬ ‭

“Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you.

I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
‭‭John‬ ‭14:1-4, 6-9, 21, 23-26‬ ‭


“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20

one way for sure
I agree, but look again again what it says:

John 10:1-2
1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

Someone is not a thief unless they successfully steal something or a robber unless they successfully break in.

So my question is, how did someone get into the wedding without formal attire? Made it past everyone until the king of all people had to confront him. The servents apparently didn't notice either.

Matthew 22:11-23
11And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 12And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 13Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

What is this actually revealing? Is it possible to slip into heaven through some back door, or "hack heaven" so to speak, by coming up some other way?

Maybe I'm reading way too far into it because it's clear Jesus is the only way, but just makes me wonder what this is actually talking about.
 

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Is it possible to gain entry into heaven via a secret passage way?
How good of a firewall do we figure the omnipotent omniscient LORD of all heaven and earth makes?
 

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I agree, but look again again what it says:

John 10:1-2
1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

Someone is not a thief unless they successfully steal something or a robber unless they successfully break in.

So my question is, how did someone get into the wedding without formal attire? Made it past everyone until the king of all people had to confront him. The servents apparently didn't notice either.

Matthew 22:11-23
11And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 12And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 13Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

What is this actually revealing? Is it possible to slip into heaven through some back door, or "hack heaven" so to speak, by coming up some other way?

Maybe I'm reading way too far into it because it's clear Jesus is the only way, but just makes me wonder what this is actually talking about.

I think that it’s a reference to the priests and priesthood of the Leviticus order “ thieves and robbers” is what they became in the ot

I think to have the wrong garments and be cast out when the wedding banquet happens is a teaching about self righteousness not being the way , but to come to Christ by faith d be dressed in the children’s garments like this the new song sounds different from the old

“Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭12:32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭16:27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The garments look like Jesus character and morality his ways

“For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:29‬ ‭

We can’t wear Moses garments anymore those are for the servants but Jesus gives us the wedding garments to put on

“Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:( Leviticus 24:20)

But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we can’t attend the wedding unless we dress as the children And not the servants new and not the old

just my own thoughts God bless you indeed
 

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I agree, but look again again what it says:

John 10:1-2
1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

Someone is not a thief unless they successfully steal something or a robber unless they successfully break in.

So my question is, how did someone get into the wedding without formal attire? Made it past everyone until the king of all people had to confront him. The servents apparently didn't notice either.

Matthew 22:11-23
11And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 12And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 13Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

What is this actually revealing? Is it possible to slip into heaven through some back door, or "hack heaven" so to speak, by coming up some other way?

Maybe I'm reading way too far into it because it's clear Jesus is the only way, but just makes me wonder what this is actually talking about.
he’s referencing the shepherds who came before him jesus claim is to be the shepherd promised in prophecy “ I AM” because of what men did as shepherds to his beloved people

“As I live, saith the Lord God, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock;

Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the Lord; Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.


For thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out. As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭34:8-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭2:25‬ ‭KJV‬‬


The bad shepherds were thieves and robbers inwardly like the brood of vipers he was always arguing with in the gospel the Pharisees and lawyers and sadducees and scribes and priests they were not fit to lead the people because they had no care for them

the good shepherd loves and cares for each sheep me will go find the lost ones because he’s not just tending the sheep they belong to him he cares for them he doesn’t want the wolves to get them so he has his rod and staff ready to fight the lions and wolves who attempt to prey on his beloved sheep

God is our shepherd ( psalm 23 ) and he’s come to give us life
 
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he’s referencing the shepherds who came before him jesus claim is to be the shepherd promised in prophecy “ I AM” because of what men did as shepherds to his beloved people

“As I live, saith the Lord God, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock;

Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the Lord; Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.


For thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out. As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭34:8-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭2:25‬ ‭KJV‬‬


The bad shepherds were thieves and robbers inwardly like the brood of vipers he was always arguing with in the gospel the Pharisees and lawyers and sadducees and scribes and priests they were not fit to lead the people because they had no care for them

the good shepherd loves and cares for each sheep me will go find the lost ones because he’s not just tending the sheep they belong to him he cares for them he doesn’t want the wolves to get them so he has his rod and staff ready to fight the lions and wolves who attempt to prey on his beloved sheep

God is our shepherd ( psalm 23 ) and he’s come to give us life
That helps a lot with the perspective. Thanks.