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Jun 19, 2021
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(Why believe the bible? https://christianchat.com/new-chris...duce-yourselves/why-believe-the-bible.199699/)
How to be guaranteed heaven?
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Luke 16:22-23 “the rich man also died, and was buried; and in hell he lift up his eyes
=> Once we physically die&open our eyes;
=> It's instantly either heaven or hell.

________________________________________________
2 Chronicles 6:36 “there is no man which sinneth not”
Ecclesiastes 7:20 “there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not”
Romans 3:12 “there is none that doeth good, no, not one”
Romans 3:4 “let God be true, but every man a liar
Revelation 21:8 all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire
Revelation 20:10 “tormented day and night for ever and ever”
=> We all deserve hell.

________________________________________________
Mark 1:1Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
1 Corinthians 8:6there is but one God, the Father
Hebrews 1:1 God (...) spake
Hebrews 1:8unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever
1 Timothy 3:16 “great is the mystery of godliness

=> God is Jesus.
________________________________________________
Luke 1:34 “Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?”
Luke 1:35 “the angel answered (...) therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”
1 Timothy 3:16God was manifest in the flesh

1 Corinthians 15:3 “Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
1 Corinthians 15:4 “And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
Because he loves us Jesus the Creator did the following 2000 years ago:
=> He was miraculously physically born of a virgin&became a Son.
=> Because he is perfect he received hate&died crucified.

=> By his resurrection he paid for our sins.
________________________________________________

John 11:25 “Jesus said
John 11:26 “whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die”

John 6:47 He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Galatians 3:26 ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus”
Hebrews 12:6 “whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth”
The instant you chose to believe; your soul now has unlosable everlasting life:
=> You are now a child of God immune from hell forever guaranteed heaven.
No matter what sins you commit afterward&no matter what happens.
=>
However until you go to heaven God will scourge you here during your temporarily earthly life.
Depending on the severity of your sins he can completely ruin your life&make it a nightmare here.

________________________________________________
1 John 5:11 “God hath given to us eternal life”
John 3:18 he that believeth not is condemned already”
=> If you have not believed yet that Jesus has given to you unlosable eternal life:
You are guaranteed hell.
=> Unless you repent from your unbelief.
________________________________________________

How to be guaranteed heaven?
"I believe that God is Jesus&that by his resurrection he saved me from what I deserve&gave me unlosable eternal life."

Anyone who has ever believed this once is guaranteed heaven.
________________________________________________

If anyone here is not absolutely sure of being 100% guaranteed heaven;
Please watch 1 of these 2 youtube videos with an open heart
(by copy pasting the titles on youtube):

=> “directions to heaven whole armour ministries” (25min)
=> “the bible way to heaven sanderson1611” (7min)

*If you have read this thread&watched these videos and your conclusion is you believe that the truth is something else than this: I beg you to please believe that this is the truth, and that you then instantly go back to believing your previous belief.
 

Dino246

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Jun 30, 2015
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How to be guaranteed heaven?
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Luke 16:22-23 “the rich man also died, and was buried; and in hell he lift up his eyes
=> Once we physically die&open our eyes;
=> It's instantly either heaven or hell.

Hi Matthew, and if I haven't said so already, welcome to CC. :)

A few comments on this bit of your post: I don't disagree that our destination after death is one place or the other, but your statement, "It's instantly either heaven or hell" does not follow from the text. "Instantly" is not there; you added it, and adding your own words to the text is a great way to invite negative criticism. It also contradicts Hebrews 9:27, which states that after death we face judgement, not "instant heaven or hell".

Mark 1:1 “Jesus Christ, the Son of God;”
1 Corinthians 8:6 “there is but one God, the Father”
Hebrews 1:1 “God (...) spake”
Hebrews 1:8 “unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever”
1 Timothy 3:16 “great is the mystery of godliness”
=> God is Jesus.

The conclusion, "God is Jesus" not only does not follow from your premises, but it is biblically incorrect. Jesus is God, according to Scripture, but the reverse is not true. God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

More generally, I would encourage you to use blank spaces rather than hard lines to break up the wall of text, and to use colour, size, and emphasis sparingly. If everything is important, nothing is important.

=> “the bible way to heaven sanderson1611” (7min)
FYI, directing people to a video of Stephen Anderson is a great way to turn people off Jesus. He's about the worst representative of the gospel who actually claims to be such. Please, find better material.
 

throughfaith

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Aug 4, 2020
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Hi Matthew, and if I haven't said so already, welcome to CC. :)

A few comments on this bit of your post: I don't disagree that our destination after death is one place or the other, but your statement, "It's instantly either heaven or hell" does not follow from the text. "Instantly" is not there; you added it, and adding your own words to the text is a great way to invite negative criticism. It also contradicts Hebrews 9:27, which states that after death we face judgement, not "instant heaven or hell".


The conclusion, "God is Jesus" not only does not follow from your premises, but it is biblically incorrect. Jesus is God, according to Scripture, but the reverse is not true. God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

More generally, I would encourage you to use blank spaces rather than hard lines to break up the wall of text, and to use colour, size, and emphasis sparingly. If everything is important, nothing is important.


FYI, directing people to a video of Stephen Anderson is a great way to turn people off Jesus. He's about the worst representative of the gospel who actually claims to be such. Please, find better material.
Yes its unfortunate that Anderson was represented here .
 

throughfaith

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Aug 4, 2020
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(Why believe the bible? https://christianchat.com/new-chris...duce-yourselves/why-believe-the-bible.199699/)
How to be guaranteed heaven?
________________________________________________
Luke 16:22-23 “the rich man also died, and was buried; and in hell he lift up his eyes
=> Once we physically die&open our eyes;
=> It's instantly either heaven or hell.

________________________________________________
2 Chronicles 6:36 “there is no man which sinneth not”
Ecclesiastes 7:20 “there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not”
Romans 3:12 “there is none that doeth good, no, not one”
Romans 3:4 “let God be true, but every man a liar
Revelation 21:8 all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire
Revelation 20:10 “tormented day and night for ever and ever”
=> We all deserve hell.

________________________________________________
Mark 1:1Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
1 Corinthians 8:6there is but one God, the Father
Hebrews 1:1 God (...) spake
Hebrews 1:8unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever
1 Timothy 3:16 “great is the mystery of godliness

=> God is Jesus.
________________________________________________
Luke 1:34 “Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?”
Luke 1:35 “the angel answered (...) therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”
1 Timothy 3:16God was manifest in the flesh

1 Corinthians 15:3 “Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
1 Corinthians 15:4 “And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
Because he loves us Jesus the Creator did the following 2000 years ago:
=> He was miraculously physically born of a virgin&became a Son.
=> Because he is perfect he received hate&died crucified.

=> By his resurrection he paid for our sins.
________________________________________________

John 11:25 “Jesus said
John 11:26 “whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die”

John 6:47 He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Galatians 3:26 ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus”
Hebrews 12:6 “whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth”
The instant you chose to believe; your soul now has unlosable everlasting life:
=> You are now a child of God immune from hell forever guaranteed heaven.
No matter what sins you commit afterward&no matter what happens.
=>
However until you go to heaven God will scourge you here during your temporarily earthly life.
Depending on the severity of your sins he can completely ruin your life&make it a nightmare here.

________________________________________________
1 John 5:11 “God hath given to us eternal life”
John 3:18 he that believeth not is condemned already”
=> If you have not believed yet that Jesus has given to you unlosable eternal life:
You are guaranteed hell.
=> Unless you repent from your unbelief.
________________________________________________

How to be guaranteed heaven?
"I believe that God is Jesus&that by his resurrection he saved me from what I deserve&gave me unlosable eternal life."

Anyone who has ever believed this once is guaranteed heaven.
________________________________________________

If anyone here is not absolutely sure of being 100% guaranteed heaven;
Please watch 1 of these 2 youtube videos with an open heart
(by copy pasting the titles on youtube):

=> “directions to heaven whole armour ministries” (25min)
=> “the bible way to heaven sanderson1611” (7min)

*If you have read this thread&watched these videos and your conclusion is you believe that the truth is something else than this: I beg you to please believe that this is the truth, and that you then instantly go back to believing your previous belief.
I agree ' Once saved ,stay saved '
 
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(Why believe the bible? https://christianchat.com/new-chris...duce-yourselves/why-believe-the-bible.199699/)
How to be guaranteed heaven?
________________________________________________
Luke 16:22-23 “the rich man also died, and was buried; and in hell he lift up his eyes
=> Once we physically die&open our eyes;
=> It's instantly either heaven or hell.

________________________________________________
2 Chronicles 6:36 “there is no man which sinneth not”
Ecclesiastes 7:20 “there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not”
Romans 3:12 “there is none that doeth good, no, not one”
Romans 3:4 “let God be true, but every man a liar
Revelation 21:8 all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire
Revelation 20:10 “tormented day and night for ever and ever”
=> We all deserve hell.

________________________________________________
Mark 1:1Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
1 Corinthians 8:6there is but one God, the Father
Hebrews 1:1 God (...) spake
Hebrews 1:8unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever
1 Timothy 3:16 “great is the mystery of godliness

=> God is Jesus.
________________________________________________
Luke 1:34 “Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?”
Luke 1:35 “the angel answered (...) therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”
1 Timothy 3:16God was manifest in the flesh

1 Corinthians 15:3 “Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
1 Corinthians 15:4 “And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
Because he loves us Jesus the Creator did the following 2000 years ago:
=> He was miraculously physically born of a virgin&became a Son.
=> Because he is perfect he received hate&died crucified.

=> By his resurrection he paid for our sins.
________________________________________________

John 11:25 “Jesus said
John 11:26 “whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die”

John 6:47 He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Galatians 3:26 ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus”
Hebrews 12:6 “whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth”
The instant you chose to believe; your soul now has unlosable everlasting life:
=> You are now a child of God immune from hell forever guaranteed heaven.
No matter what sins you commit afterward&no matter what happens.
=>
However until you go to heaven God will scourge you here during your temporarily earthly life.
Depending on the severity of your sins he can completely ruin your life&make it a nightmare here.

________________________________________________
1 John 5:11 “God hath given to us eternal life”
John 3:18 he that believeth not is condemned already”
=> If you have not believed yet that Jesus has given to you unlosable eternal life:
You are guaranteed hell.
=> Unless you repent from your unbelief.
________________________________________________

How to be guaranteed heaven?
"I believe that God is Jesus&that by his resurrection he saved me from what I deserve&gave me unlosable eternal life."

Anyone who has ever believed this once is guaranteed heaven.
________________________________________________

If anyone here is not absolutely sure of being 100% guaranteed heaven;
Please watch 1 of these 2 youtube videos with an open heart
(by copy pasting the titles on youtube):

=> “directions to heaven whole armour ministries” (25min)
=> “the bible way to heaven sanderson1611” (7min)

*If you have read this thread&watched these videos and your conclusion is you believe that the truth is something else than this: I beg you to please believe that this is the truth, and that you then instantly go back to believing your previous belief.
https://christianchat.com/testimoni...s-except-christian-stuff.199651/#post-4584971
"After God gave me the Holy Spirit, I found proof that TV, movies, novels, music, video games and computer games are all sins, except Christian stuff"
Read 10 commandments.
 
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Missing the entire Hades vs Lake of Fire distinction.
 

mailmandan

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1 John 5:11 - And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Hi Matthew, and if I haven't said so already, welcome to CC. :)

A few comments on this bit of your post: I don't disagree that our destination after death is one place or the other, but your statement, "It's instantly either heaven or hell" does not follow from the text. "Instantly" is not there; you added it, and adding your own words to the text is a great way to invite negative criticism. It also contradicts Hebrews 9:27, which states that after death we face judgement, not "instant heaven or hell".


The conclusion, "God is Jesus" not only does not follow from your premises, but it is biblically incorrect. Jesus is God, according to Scripture, but the reverse is not true. God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

More generally, I would encourage you to use blank spaces rather than hard lines to break up the wall of text, and to use colour, size, and emphasis sparingly. If everything is important, nothing is important.


FYI, directing people to a video of Stephen Anderson is a great way to turn people off Jesus. He's about the worst representative of the gospel who actually claims to be such. Please, find better material.
According to my understanding of Heg 9:27, When you are born again, you die to sin, which is called the first death. God does not chasten (judge) those that are not his born again children while they live their lives here on earth, but will Judge them at the last day and send them to hell, which is the second death. God's children are chastened/judged as they sojourn here in this world, but will not be judged at the last day, or taste of the second death, but will be told to enter into heaven, thou good and faithful servant.
 

JaumeJ

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When we are born again, we are actually reborn in the Light. When we who are to do so, die, we return to that Light, our Father.

We are children of Light because of the cross, Jesus, Yeshua..

When we return to the Light we will see God, not blinded by the Light but able to see within It.
 

Chester

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John 11:26 “whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die”
John 6:47 He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Be careful with Scriptural interpretation: These verses do not say that anyone who has ever believed at a point in time is guaranteed heaven. They give the simple truth that the person who is believing in Jesus has everlasting life. PTL!
 

Chester

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(Why believe the bible? https://christianchat.com/new-chris...duce-yourselves/why-believe-the-bible.199699/)
How to be guaranteed heaven?
________________________________________________
Luke 16:22-23 “the rich man also died, and was buried; and in hell he lift up his eyes
=> Once we physically die&open our eyes;
=> It's instantly either heaven or hell.

________________________________________________
2 Chronicles 6:36 “there is no man which sinneth not”
Ecclesiastes 7:20 “there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not”
Romans 3:12 “there is none that doeth good, no, not one”
Romans 3:4 “let God be true, but every man a liar
Revelation 21:8 all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire
Revelation 20:10 “tormented day and night for ever and ever”
=> We all deserve hell.

________________________________________________
Mark 1:1Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
1 Corinthians 8:6there is but one God, the Father
Hebrews 1:1 God (...) spake
Hebrews 1:8unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever
1 Timothy 3:16 “great is the mystery of godliness

=> God is Jesus.
________________________________________________
Luke 1:34 “Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?”
Luke 1:35 “the angel answered (...) therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”
1 Timothy 3:16God was manifest in the flesh

1 Corinthians 15:3 “Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
1 Corinthians 15:4 “And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
Because he loves us Jesus the Creator did the following 2000 years ago:
=> He was miraculously physically born of a virgin&became a Son.
=> Because he is perfect he received hate&died crucified.

=> By his resurrection he paid for our sins.
________________________________________________

John 11:25 “Jesus said
John 11:26 “whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die”

John 6:47 He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Galatians 3:26 ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus”
Hebrews 12:6 “whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth”
The instant you chose to believe; your soul now has unlosable everlasting life:
=> You are now a child of God immune from hell forever guaranteed heaven.
No matter what sins you commit afterward&no matter what happens.
=>
However until you go to heaven God will scourge you here during your temporarily earthly life.
Depending on the severity of your sins he can completely ruin your life&make it a nightmare here.

________________________________________________
1 John 5:11 “God hath given to us eternal life”
John 3:18 he that believeth not is condemned already”
=> If you have not believed yet that Jesus has given to you unlosable eternal life:
You are guaranteed hell.
=> Unless you repent from your unbelief.
________________________________________________

How to be guaranteed heaven?
"I believe that God is Jesus&that by his resurrection he saved me from what I deserve&gave me unlosable eternal life."

Anyone who has ever believed this once is guaranteed heaven.
________________________________________________

If anyone here is not absolutely sure of being 100% guaranteed heaven;
Please watch 1 of these 2 youtube videos with an open heart
(by copy pasting the titles on youtube):

=> “directions to heaven whole armour ministries” (25min)
=> “the bible way to heaven sanderson1611” (7min)

*If you have read this thread&watched these videos and your conclusion is you believe that the truth is something else than this: I beg you to please believe that this is the truth, and that you then instantly go back to believing your previous belief.
Praise the Lord! I am 100% sure that if I die right now I will go to heaven! Why? Because I believe in Jesus Christ and his death and his resurrection! But there is much more than heaven - there is life (zoe) now and a victorious life living above sin! Hallelujah!
 
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@Dino246 Hi, thank you!
Luke 16:22 “the beggar died, and was carried by the angels

Instantly after dying: carried.
=> Once we physically die;
=> We're instantly carried to either heaven or hell.


"I believe Jesus is God but God is not Jesus."
That is an irrational belief.



For text presentation it's for the most part depending on the intended emphasis distribution for points made that I in such manner use hard lines instead of blank spaces precisely for better visual result. And my choices in the amount of colors&size usage&whatnot they were specifically thought through for this result of preventing everything from looking of equal importance.
Our opinions visibly strongly disagree on that haha



I'm not directing people to preachers here.
I'm directing people to 2 very specific videos of preaching.
Discrediting a source doesn't discredit its information.

(saying that it does is an ad hominem logical fallacy)
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@Jocund Hi man.

Revelation 20:14 “And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.”
Whatever goes in hades ends up in the lake of fire.
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@Chester Hi!

John 10:28 “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish
=> God says those who have received eternal life can
never perish.
(it's unlosable)
=> Possession of eternal life can never be lost.
1 John 5:11God hath given to us eternal life
John 3:18he that believeth not is condemned already
If you have not believed yet that God has given to you unlosable eternal life, you are guaranteed hell.
Unless you repent from your unbelief.
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@mailmandan Amen.


@JaumeJ Well said.
 

Dino246

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@Dino246 Hi, thank you!
Luke 16:22 “the beggar died, and was carried by the angels

Instantly after dying: carried.
=> Once we physically die;
=> We're instantly carried to either heaven or hell.


"I believe Jesus is God but God is not Jesus."
That is an irrational belief.






I'm not directing people to preachers here.
I'm directing people to 2 very specific videos of preaching.
Discrediting a source doesn't discredit its information.

(saying that it does is an ad hominem logical fallacy)
Using a disreputable source discredits your argument. ;)

A horse is an animal; an animal is not (necessarily) a horse. My belief is not irrational.

You are still inserting “instantly” where it does not exist in the text. That’s a non sequitur, and your conclusion is without any basis.
 
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@Jocund Hi man.
Revelation 20:14 “And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.”
Whatever goes in hades ends up in the lake of fire.
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Hail, friend. Which passages lead you to this conclusion? The line right before Rev 20:14 explains that the dead are delivered out of hell (Hades) before it is cast into the Lake of Fire.

"And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." - Revelation 20:13-15 KJV
 

Chester

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@Dino246
John 10:28 “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish
=> God says those who have received eternal life can
never perish.
(it's unlosable)
=> Possession of eternal life can never be lost.
1 John 5:11God hath given to us eternal life
John 3:18he that believeth not is condemned already
If you have not believed yet that God has given to you unlosable eternal life, you are guaranteed hell.
Unless you repent from your unbelief.
Hi, Matthew KJV,

Several things here:
(1) I like your enthusiasm for the Gospel and for God's Kingdom and to get people saved
(2) Please be careful in Biblical interpretation: Always look at to whom the promise is given. John 10:27 talks of the sheep who are hearing God's voice, whom God knows, and who are following Him. John 10:28 gives a wonderful promise to these sheep: God gives them eternal life and they will not perish. (This promise is not for unbelievers who are not believing in Christ)
(3) I think this is the first time on CC that someone has told me that I am guaranteed hell because I do not agree with their theology! (But that is OK - I still know whom I have believed and know that my faith in His death and resurrection give to me eternal life! PTL)

Chester
 

Chester

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=> If you have not believed yet that Jesus has given to you unlosable eternal life: You are guaranteed hell.
=> Unless you repent from your unbelief.
]
So I am wondering where this is found in the Bible? If it is true, I am in deep deep trouble!

I thought our belief was to be in the finished work of Jesus' death and resurrection!? But here we have a statement that makes eternal life dependent upon acceptance of doctrine?
 
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@Dino246
"ad hominem" (google | txstate.edu)
"This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument."


"I believe a horse is an animal but an animal is not a horse. That is not an irrational belief."
That is correct: because there's not only one horse&there's not only one animal.
There's only one Jesus&there's only one God.

"I believe Jesus is God but God is not Jesus."
That is an irrational belief.



Luke 16:22died, and was carried by the angels
Concluding that we are not carried by the angels instantly after dying is unreasonable.
"I believe that when someone dies his soul is left there for a period of time until he is eventually carried."
That's an absurd conclusion from that verse but either way the point is that once we physically die it's either heaven or hell, and
we both say that!
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@Jocund
Luke 16:22-23died, and was buried; and in hell he lift up his eyes
Luke 16:24tormented in this flame
Those who are in hades are
dead.
John 11:26 whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die
=> Believing in the Lord to receive eternal life is for those who are not dead yet.
=> For those who are dead that promise doesn't apply. It's too late for them.
Hell delivers up the dead to be judged&cast in the lake of fire.
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@Chester
Yes in
John 10:28 God says that the possession of eternal life which his sheep have can never be lost.
(unlosable eternal life)
That is a correct reiteration, however:
=> The idea that God gives unlosable eternal life to some people but yet gives losable eternal life to other people is unbiblical;

John 11:26whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die”
I sincerely beg you man to believe even just for a second that unbelief cannot make you lose eternal life.
Just for a second, you can then instantly go back to believing your previous belief.
 
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@Jocund
Luke 16:22-23died, and was buried; and in hell he lift up his eyes
Luke 16:24tormented in this flame
Those who are in hades are
dead.
John 11:26 whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die
=> Believing in the Lord to receive eternal life is for those who are not dead yet.
=> For those who are dead that promise doesn't apply. It's too late for them.
Hell delivers up the dead to be judged&cast in the lake of fire.
You are missing the very important context of the line immediately before John 11:26.

"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" - John 11:25-26 KJV

Your premise is not supported by scripture. Scripture says the opposite of what you have proposed.
 

Dino246

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"ad hominem" (google | txstate.edu)
"This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument."
There was no ad hominem content in my post.

"I believe a horse is an animal but an animal is not a horse. That is not an irrational belief."
That is correct: because there's not only one horse&there's not only one animal.
There's only one Jesus&there's only one God.

"I believe Jesus is God but God is not Jesus."
That is an irrational belief.

You haven't refuted my argument in the least.

died, and was carried by the angels
Concluding that we are not carried by the angels instantly after dying is unreasonable.
"I believe that when someone dies his soul is left there for a period of time until he is eventually carried."
That's an absurd conclusion from that verse but either way the point is that once we physically die it's either heaven or hell, and
we both say that!
Inserting extra words into the text to make a point is unreasonable.
 

Chester

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