Some polls say Jews are richer, older, and better educated than gentiles. Why?

[Blade]

First thought was.. ok. There is more to this then the OP's post. Well with the Pew study American Jews "They’re older, more educated, and less religious than rest of country; 1 in 10 supports Israel boycott, but most back Jewish state; most young people are marrying non-Jews". The young are marrying non-jews. This was as of May 2021.

"Jews also have higher salaries. The majority of Jewish adults have a household income of more than $100,000, including 23% above $200,000. Only 19% of Americans overall have a household income above $100,000. Jews also report being satisfied with their lives and communities at higher rates than Americans as a whole." "Orthodox Jews appear to have a tougher time financially. Among Orthodox Jews, 45% reported having trouble paying bills over the past year, compared to just 26% of Jews overall. "

"The 2021 study found that in the past decade, 61% of Jews married non-Jewish partners. And nearly three-quarters of non-Orthodox Jews who married since 2010 wed non-Jews. Intermarriage is quite rare among Orthodox Jews.
In total, 42% of married Jews have a spouse who is not Jewish"

"The number includes approximately 5.8 million adults and 1.8 million children. About 4.2 million of the adults identify their religion as Jewish, while the rest are what Pew calls “Jews of no religion.” The 7.5 million figure is up from the 6.7 million counted in 2013, which included some 5.3 million adults and 1.3 million children. And the 2021 figure is a bit larger than the Jewish population of Israel, which is around 6.9 million."

So again.. ok. Its not all good news.

 

[Blik]

The point was that the Jews have been targeted for killing and abuse since party of the OT times. God says they forsook him and forgot him so these things came upon them. Some people say they are blessed but they look cursed to me. Speaking only of those who deny Jesus, not Jews who are Christians.

I don't think that you are correct with all these ideas that add up to that God has nothing to do with our day to day life today. Scripture tells us God even has control of the nations, and certainly many nations are not Godly.

I don't think it is possible for God's laws to select only people who accept Christ as savior and the rest of the world be immune from them.

Scripture tells us that as long as the earth exists the law of seed to and harvest will exist. What we plant we will sow, and I don't think that law selects only some people that it applies to.

Gen. 8:22 “As long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.”

This means that those who accept Christ and are saved are also subject to the law of seedtime and harvest. We also reap what we sow.

 

[Blik]

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This means that those who accept Christ and are saved are also subject to the law of seedtime and harvest. We also reap what we sow.

The Jews are seeding denial of Christ, and the harvest of that applies to them. The are also seeding such as giving to others, worshiping God, repenting of their sin, etc. Could these things be the source of their blessings?

More and more Jews are turning from God, what will be the harvest of that? Scripture tells us they will return in the end.

 

[kaylagrl]

That fact that unbelieving Israel has survived for over 70 years should give everyone pause. Even though surrounded by enemies on every side they both survived and thrived. While Christians wish that they would all be converted, God has planned "the time of Jacob's trouble". It will be manifested during the reign of the Antichrist. And only one third of worldwide Jewry will be saved. This is all according to Scripture, not conjecture.

Which is what I have been saying, in Romans, a remnant will be saved. The Bible says all Israel. Which is to assume all the remnant, or all that remain, there are differing opinions on that.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The Bible says all Israel. Which is to assume all the remnant, or all that remain, there are differing opinions on that.

Or it could also mean that every one of the twelve tribes will be saved. That would be "all Israel" but not every Jew. And we see this being fulfilled in Ezekiel 48.

 

[SophieT]

The point was that the Jews have been targeted for killing and abuse since party of the OT times. God says they forsook him and forgot him so these things came upon them. Some people say they are blessed but they look cursed to me. Speaking only of those who deny Jesus, not Jews who are Christians.

kindly provide scripture that states God is done with the Jewish nation for all time

it does not matter how they 'look to you' as it seems you have not lined up your beliefs with what scripture states

I really cannot fathom why you think you have to reiterate your personal opinion over and over and over. seems almost like a personal hobby horse of yours

tell you what; if God abandons all those who continually disappoint Him and disobey Him and deliberately sin? every single one of us is going to be left to hang

wake up dude

 

[Blik]

tell you what; if God abandons all those who continually disappoint Him and disobey Him and deliberately sin? every single one of us is going to be left to hang

wake up dude

There is absolutely no way to get people to think of Jews except as not saved. They are absolutely blind to them as people, otherwise. They are even completely blind to God as anything but as a Savior. That God controls our world is, it seems, completely beyond their ability to think.

It is as if to most people God is dead to their everyday living, God is only alive as a God to them after their life here on earth.

 

[kaylagrl]

Or it could also mean that every one of the twelve tribes will be saved. That would be "all Israel" but not every Jew. And we see this being fulfilled in Ezekiel 48.

Yes, I've heard several different views. But my issue is when people try to say that the church is Israel. I've never intimated that every Jew who has lived will be saved. Jews in the OT were saved they same way as today, through faith. They believed in Christ even though they had not yet seen Him. God hasn't taken His hand off Israel and prophesy was fulfilled in 48 and still is to this day.

 

[ewq1938]

kindly provide scripture that states God is done with the Jewish nation for all time

He isn't done. There is still judgment day.

tell you what; if God abandons all those who continually disappoint Him and disobey Him and deliberately sin? every single one of us is going to be left to hang

Christ said the Jews are already condemned. What part of that do you not understand?

Joh_3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

wake up dude

I never went to sleep "dude".

 

[SophieT]

"ewq1938, post: 4587866, member: 276330"]He isn't done. There is still judgment day.

has zero to do with what you post. hedging your bets?
Christ said the Jews are already condemned. What part of that do you not understand?

all sinners are condemned. you cannot answer questions it seems. just continue on with your little rant. it would seem you also do not know what a promise is or that God sent His Son TO THE JEWS. us Gentiles are included. what part of that do you not understand?

Joh_3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

I never went to sleep "dude".

well maybe you should get some then. sleep.

 

[SophieT]

There is absolutely no way to get people to think of Jews except as not saved. They are absolutely blind to them as people, otherwise. They are even completely blind to God as anything but as a Savior. That God controls our world is, it seems, completely beyond their ability to think.

It is as if to most people God is dead to their everyday living, God is only alive as a God to them after their life here on earth.

make up your mind Blikie. first of all you rant at me because you falsely state I judge the Jews. you just pass over that and pretend you were right anyway.

now, you post the above little gem that has zero to do with anything I post or think about posting

whatever

 

[Blik]

make up your mind Blikie. first of all you rant at me because you falsely state I judge the Jews. you just pass over that and pretend you were right anyway.

now, you post the above little gem that has zero to do with anything I post or think about posting

whatever

If it is true that you do not judge Jews and I said you did, I am truly sorry.

I so wish this could all be read as it pertains to scripture, to God, and to God's ways and never, ever, at any time about the people who are speaking of that.

I think we should recognize that God works in our earthly world as well as our spiritual world, and I am SO frustrated that no one is listening enough to even consider it to agree or disagree.

 

[ewq1938]

all sinners are condemned. you cannot answer questions it seems.

Apparently you are incapable of reading the verse correctly:

Joh_3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Believers are NOT condemned.
Unbelievers ARE ALREADY condemned.

Jews are unbelievers and are already condemned.

Got it?

 

[SophieT]

Apparently you are incapable of reading the verse correctly:

Joh_3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Believers are NOT condemned.
Unbelievers ARE ALREADY condemned.

Jews are unbelievers and are already condemned.

Got it?

LOL! that is what I stated...unbelievers are condemned

however, your error regarding the Jewish people persists and is not in accord with scripture

your comprehension of what I post is not too good either by the way. probably best to not take you too seriously

 

[SophieT]

Believers are NOT condemned.

did someone say they were?

smh

 

[SophieT]

If it is true that you do not judge Jews and I said you did, I am truly sorry.

I so wish this could all be read as it pertains to scripture, to God, and to God's ways and never, ever, at any time about the people who are speaking of that.

I think we should recognize that God works in our earthly world as well as our spiritual world, and I am SO frustrated that no one is listening enough to even consider it to agree or disagree.

well you did say that ... some posts back so glad you got that clarified

I have no clue why you suppose we do not know how God works. The Bible is clear that God is Spirit and Christians are sealed by the Holy Spirit; so I am not sure what you are getting at here

 

[ewq1938]

LOL! that is what I stated...unbelievers are condemned

however, your error regarding the Jewish people persists and is not in accord with scripture

Jews are unbelievers in the Son of God. Jesus said they are already condemned. I don't expect you to agree with Jesus.

 

[SophieT]

Jews are unbelievers in the Son of God. Jesus said they are already condemned. I don't expect you to agree with Jesus.

ALL unbelievers are under judgement pal. And I have said that more than once.

chill

you are getting crass now. Jesus is not your personal buddy here. maybe watch what you say

 

[SophieT]

One study is called the Pew Forum’s study of the American religious landscape. Here is some of their findings:

If you break down Pew’s Jewish numbers, you find that 55 percent of Reform Jews make over $100,000 a year–three times the national figure of 19 percent in America.

Other revelations are that 51 percent of Jews are 50 and older. The national average is 41 percent. Though mainline Protestants are also older in the same proportion: 51 percent

Now education. The national average for college or postgraduate education is 27 percent. Among Jews it is 59 percent. And as for mainline Protestants, 34 percent.

Most Jews live under the old covenant, and many things in that covenant are obsolete. However, it was written by our eternal God who speaks with eternal truths that never become obsolete. Cutting foreskin is obsolete, but that we are rewarded in this life for obedience is not. Check out the fruits of the spirit. The old covenant never, with its eternal truths, promised salvation for obedience. It was an eternal truth that bloodshed and faith were required for forgiveness of sin.

A major factor in Jewish life is based on how the Lord tells us to bring up children. The orthodox Jews begin memory work very early in a child’s life. We teach nursery rhymes, they teach scripture. It has been proven that the memory of a child begins much earlier than most people believe it does.

We are so blessed that we know Christ, it is so much greater than their blessings. They have the blindness God gave them to understanding the Messiah. That does not mean we must not look at the blessings they have from the Lord and wonder about them.

here is the op again.

this constant "Jews are going to hell" rhetoric is not even what the op is about

IMO, we have certain people who are just anti-Semitic and fail to understand that Jesus was born a Jew

deal with it...God did not a mistake there so maybe ask yourself what that is all about

 

[Blik]

well you did say that ... some posts back so glad you got that clarified

I have no clue why you suppose we do not know how God works. The Bible is clear that God is Spirit and Christians are sealed by the Holy Spirit; so I am not sure what you are getting at here

Finally I am getting a response, and it is mostly negative, but a response. I take it that you feel our spiritual God is not in control of our secular lives.

I say our spiritual God is in control of our secular AND spiritual world. Our secular world is operated by God's laws, and the Jews prove that as they are dead spiritually as they deny Christ, and alive to God's laws. I know many are turning now, but their culture has centered around learning God's commandments (even the ones God tells them they should not obey any longer) and trying to obey them. I think their blessings stem from that.