How We Can Tell If We Possess The Agape of God

[Dino246]

Let's be clear...I only present the Bible as my basis for truth -- all else is speculation, which we are all free to do, right?

I was talking to someone who insists the word "day" in 2 Peter 3:10 KJV means "years" because the text says in that day the "heavens shall pass away with a great noise and the elements shall melt with fervent heat" and I made the point there won't be seven more minutes of tribulation on Earth let alone 7 years of it.

He cannot allow the "day" to mean a literal "24 hour day" which destroys the idea of a subsequent 7 year tribulation, so he's willing to ignore the rest of Scripture and even the context established by the preceding verses which describe a destruction of all humanity that was likely complete in the same day it began.

You didn't even begin to answer my questions.

 

[gb9]

if a person cannot answer a strightforward question, then maybe that person should be questioning their own theology instead of criticizing the person whom is asking the question.

 

[HatedForNoReason]

In Matthew 24:12-13 KJV, Jesus contrasts two groups: (1) those that "shall endure to the end" and are "saved", and (2) the "many" who allow their love to grow cold because of widespread iniquity.

STOP!!!
At this time, please take a moment to acknowledge what you
and everyone else believes about these "many":
that they are the wicked who were never saved
and will end up lost.​

Except, that these "many" are indeed saints!

How do we know?

Jesus said their "love" (Greek: "AGAPE") would grow cold and only the saints can partake of "agape"!

How do we know?

John says the agape of God is demonstrated by the keeping of His commandments (1 John 5:3 KJV) while Paul says the wicked absolutely cannot keep God's commandments even if they wanted to (Romans 8:7 KJV)!!!

Now, at this time, you are reconsidering what you acknowledged a few seconds ago:
that the "many" whose agape grows cold and dead are going to be lost.

When you thought the "many" were the wicked, you had no problem understanding they would be lost
in contrast to those who will endure to the end and are saved,
but now that I've proven these "many" can't possibly be the "wicked" - but are saints who will end up lost -
you're now stumbling over yourself to find a way to make them "saved"
because of your preconceived belief in OSAS.

Shame on you. You know full well that we are never to approach the Bible with preconceived notions and search for texts that prop up our doctrine, but we are to pray for the Holy Spirit to "guide you into all truth", come what may. Well, what has come is the death of OSAS. What are you going to do about it?
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Matthew 10:34-39

King James Version


34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. (Yes family and friends can be idols)
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

God is love. Anyone that does not the have Holy Spirit, does not have God's agape love=any other selfish love that loves sin, cannot endure persecution and division from family.

1 John 4:8
King James Version


8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.


1 John 4:19-21

King James Version


19 We love him, because he first loved us.
20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth (All nonelects that love the violence=murder on the TV, movies, video games, computer games and sports) his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

Jesus endured hellfire spiritually which is the punishment for sin. Jesus did it, only for God's elect sins.


Romans 9:13

King James Version


13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

After God gave me the Holy Spirit, I found proof that TV, movies, novels, music, video games and computer games are all sins, except Christian stuff
Read 10 commandments.
below is true gospel
https://christianchat.com/testimoni...s-are-all-sins-except-christian-stuff.199651/

 

[HatedForNoReason]

You didn't even begin to answer my questions.

-Luke 21:9-17 King James Version

9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.

10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you (Some of God's elects) shall they cause to be put to death.

17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

 

[HatedForNoReason]

In Matthew 24:12-13 KJV, Jesus contrasts two groups: (1) those that "shall endure to the end" and are "saved", and (2) the "many" who allow their love to grow cold because of widespread iniquity.

STOP!!!
At this time, please take a moment to acknowledge what you
and everyone else believes about these "many":
that they are the wicked who were never saved
and will end up lost.​

Except, that these "many" are indeed saints!

How do we know?

Jesus said their "love" (Greek: "AGAPE") would grow cold and only the saints can partake of "agape"!

How do we know?

John says the agape of God is demonstrated by the keeping of His commandments (1 John 5:3 KJV) while Paul says the wicked absolutely cannot keep God's commandments even if they wanted to (Romans 8:7 KJV)!!!

Now, at this time, you are reconsidering what you acknowledged a few seconds ago:
that the "many" whose agape grows cold and dead are going to be lost.

When you thought the "many" were the wicked, you had no problem understanding they would be lost
in contrast to those who will endure to the end and are saved,
but now that I've proven these "many" can't possibly be the "wicked" - but are saints who will end up lost -
you're now stumbling over yourself to find a way to make them "saved"
because of your preconceived belief in OSAS.

Shame on you. You know full well that we are never to approach the Bible with preconceived notions and search for texts that prop up our doctrine, but we are to pray for the Holy Spirit to "guide you into all truth", come what may. Well, what has come is the death of OSAS. What are you going to do about it?
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1 Corinthians 13

New King James Version



The Greatest Gift
13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body [a]to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not [b]puffed up;
5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, [c]thinks no evil;
6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; (If you love sin, this means you don't have agape love)
7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is [d]perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

 

[Dino246]

-Luke 21:9-17 King James Version

9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.

10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you (Some of God's elects) shall they cause to be put to death.

17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

Hi... are you sure you responded to the correct person? I don't see how your post relates to mine.

 

[Phoneman-777]

so.. um..

regarding Matthew 24, what do "you intend to" endure in, and how?

Did you miss the part about "pointless"?

 

[Phoneman-777]

1 Corinthians 13

New King James Version



The Greatest Gift
13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body [a]to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not [b]puffed up;
5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, [c]thinks no evil;
6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; (If you love sin, this means you don't have agape love)
7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is [d]perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

So sad that the "agape" love of many Christians in the last days is going to grow cold and leave then in a worse spiritual condition than even the lukewarm Laodiceans who will be rejected, too. Our agape must "endure to the end" if we Christians are going to be saved.

 

[posthuman]

Did you miss the part about "pointless"?

he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved
(Matthew 24:13)
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endure in what?
how?

 

[Phoneman-777]

ok so Biblically speaking what do "you intend to" endure in, and how? ((see Matthew 24))

have you ever read Hebrews?

A better question is, "Have you skipped over Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV?"

No, I haven't skipped it, which is why I know your believe in OSAS is belief in a doctrine from the pits of hell -- because it denies Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV.

Only Saints can be "partakers of the Holy Ghost" (Hebrews 6:4 KJV) because God only gives the Holy Ghost to "them that obey Him" (Acts 5:32 KJV) and the wicked can't obey God even if they wanted to (Romans 8:7 KJV), therefore, these Saints in Hebrews 6 who fall away will be lost because of their inability of being renewed again unto repentance (Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV).

 

[posthuman]

A better question is, "Have you skipped over Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV?"

No, I haven't skipped it, which is why I know your believe in OSAS is belief in a doctrine from the pits of hell -- because it denies Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV.

Only Saints can be "partakers of the Holy Ghost" (Hebrews 6:4 KJV) because God only gives the Holy Ghost to "them that obey Him" (Acts 5:32 KJV) and the wicked can't obey God even if they wanted to (Romans 8:7 KJV), therefore, these Saints in Hebrews 6 who fall away will be lost because of their inability of being renewed again unto repentance (Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV).

so um..

endure in what?
how?

 

[posthuman]

Mssr. Phone apparently believes he will inherit salvation if he endures in 'not answering the question'

smh

 

[Diakonos]

You say the "day" in 2 Peter 3:10 KJV should be interpreted as "years". Here's why that is hermeneutically inconsistent:

1. No multiple "thief in the night" events - once Jesus comes as a thief, everyone will know to the second when He will return 7 years later or 3 1/2 years later or according to whatever other brand of Jesuit Futurist nonsense to which one subscribes. Therefore, the "day of the Lord" and the "coming of Jesus" -- both of which come "as a thief in the night" -- refer to the same event.

2. Paul says "sudden destruction" would accompany Jesus when He comes as a thief (1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 KJV), so should we interpret "sudden" as "a long period of years"?

3. Jesus said His coming would be as it was in the days of Noah - did it take God years to destroy the Earth or just a few hours?

4. Jesus said His coming would be as in the days of Lot - did it take God years to destroy the cities or did He say the same day Lot went out it reigned fire and brimstone and destroyed them?


Again, 2 Peter 3:10 KJV destroys the idea of Jesuit "Left Behind" Futurism if we interpret the verse consistently with the rest of Scripture.

Zechariah describes some of the events during the day of the Lord; he says that streams of water will flow from Jerusalem in the "Summer and Winter" (Zechariah 14:8).

Summer and Winter cannot exist within a single calendar day because they are 6 months apart. So you see, the day of the Lord is clearly not a 24-hour calendar day (a human day). It is not the day of man...it is the day of the Lord...which is like a thousand years.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

A better question is, "Have you skipped over Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV?"

No, I haven't skipped it, which is why I know your believe in OSAS is belief in a doctrine from the pits of hell -- because it denies Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV.

Only Saints can be "partakers of the Holy Ghost" (Hebrews 6:4 KJV) because God only gives the Holy Ghost to "them that obey Him" (Acts 5:32 KJV) and the wicked can't obey God even if they wanted to (Romans 8:7 KJV), therefore, these Saints in Hebrews 6 who fall away will be lost because of their inability of being renewed again unto repentance (Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV).

“That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;

How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.

And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:37-44‬ ‭KJV‬‬

receiving the Holy Ghost is through belief alone , but then we have to walk in the spirit and not the flesh any longer.

I think it’s a common misconception that receiving the Holy Ghost means we’re saved already but it’s yielding to the Holy Ghost and walking after the lords word repenting and doing away with the sin we used to live in and taking up the things of the spirit and walking in those things that salvation is had

the Holy Spirit will witness for us or against us the day we stand before e lord to be judged by our works.