Fourth Charismatic Wave (of the Spirit)?
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The only thing that comes to mind is we are in a newer generation who did not experience this. That would be the only thing I can remotely come up with. When we do look at today's younger generations, the computer generation, the couch potato generation, the generation who is not in touch with humanity, who lives on their mobile devices and communicates through chat groups like "snap chat" and others. A true last Movement by the Holy Spirit would be for them in my best guess opinion.
Well Joel is talking to the nation of Israel. And not to the people worldwide. And if you consider the context then Israel will then be in a time of peace and prosper. This time Israel had not till today. Joel 2,21 ff.
Non of these so called 4 waves was from God.
And these 4th wave prepares the time for the antichrist in presenting the endtime church which begun with the ecomene movement.
Its sad to say.
Non of these so called 4 waves was from God.
And these 4th wave prepares the time for the antichrist in presenting the endtime church which begun with the ecomene movement.
Its sad to say.
As much as I want to agree with you, there is a specific [key word] found within Joel 2 that goes beyond the Jews and to everyone.
Joel 2:28
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh
The term, "All Flesh" means All Flesh and not just the Jews alone.
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so how many of these anti anything to do with Charismatics or Pentecostals threads have you made now? I guess everyone needs at least one hobby
for the record, I am neither, having a conservative church background but God saw fit to bless me otherwise
with so much good that can or could be said and so much truth, yet you only seem to have this to offer
I thank God He led me away from churches that worship doctrine and a leather bound book instead of the Living God
I am a staunch believer in scripture first, but some of you do not believe half the New Testament
Let's look at a couple Verses after.
Joel 2:
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
When did this happen in Israel?
Never!
Joel 2:
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
When did this happen in Israel?
Never!
I think I replied to the wrong post butut it was to you so I figure you figured out what I did.
In speaking of the cyber generation, I remember when calculators were forgidden in classrooms. After a very short time, they came into common usage.
One day at my work one of my fellows came in while I was working out the books. He was probably in his very early 20s. He said something the piqued my curiosity about his math prowess. I asked him, "B, what is three time 7? His prompt reply, I don't know.
I could have been pushed over with a feather.. I asked him if he ever learned his multiplcation tables,s and no was the reply. He could use a calculator. Now can you imagine justhow gone those are who rely strictly on the PC and the Internet? Not to mention their work chores.
I had other experiences with specifically math situations. When I came back to the US for medical consulataqtion, I worked briely at.. Anyways at emplyee meetings the boss would speak of something to do with figures asking the group what the solution to it would be. I would come back with the reply out of just plain old ciphering... Everyone in the meeting looked at me with their mouths hanging open. How did he do that? Gee by lultiply, dividing, addin and subtrcting the appropriate figures.
After this, when there was a meeting, the boss would just ask me in front of everyone. Kind off embarraqssing. Once I actually made an error, wow.. But never using a calculator.
In speaking of the cyber generation, I remember when calculators were forgidden in classrooms. After a very short time, they came into common usage.
One day at my work one of my fellows came in while I was working out the books. He was probably in his very early 20s. He said something the piqued my curiosity about his math prowess. I asked him, "B, what is three time 7? His prompt reply, I don't know.
I could have been pushed over with a feather.. I asked him if he ever learned his multiplcation tables,s and no was the reply. He could use a calculator. Now can you imagine justhow gone those are who rely strictly on the PC and the Internet? Not to mention their work chores.
I had other experiences with specifically math situations. When I came back to the US for medical consulataqtion, I worked briely at.. Anyways at emplyee meetings the boss would speak of something to do with figures asking the group what the solution to it would be. I would come back with the reply out of just plain old ciphering... Everyone in the meeting looked at me with their mouths hanging open. How did he do that? Gee by lultiply, dividing, addin and subtrcting the appropriate figures.
After this, when there was a meeting, the boss would just ask me in front of everyone. Kind off embarraqssing. Once I actually made an error, wow.. But never using a calculator.
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I was a member of a Charismatic fellowship (Baptist) for 3 years and a member of a Pentecostal fellowship for 5 years. I was a youth leader at the latter. The Baptists had a regular gospel meeting devoted to unbelievers, which I believe is the correct approach. The Pentecostals had an open door policy. One of the problems I saw was that relatively few of the people attending were in fact born again. Paul Washer maybe a bit extreme, but he's not far wrong about the shallow preaching that typifies much of the church these days.
The conservative types tend to be introverted and insular. Those groups are fading away. The Pentecostal/Charismatic types are m ore outgoing, but many employ unbiblical methods to attract people. No gets saved by absorbing a hyped up atmosphere. A number of Pentecostal churches here go by the title "Enjoy Church". Lord help us. The word of God is meant to convict, correct, rebuke and train in righteousness. We should be full of love and joy, but Christians should also know the discipline of God's word and leaders should be prepared to tell it like it is.
Shallow preaching produces shallow believers, if they are for real in the first place. The goal of the church should be the same as God's, which is to see people saved, but also to be brought to the knowledge of the truth. (1 Timothy 2:4) Once a believer knows the truth, nothing can move him. Half an hour on a Sunday is not going to do the job. I see preachers on TV who are more like motivational speakers, telling people how wonderful they are and how blessed they are going to be. You will fill your church with preaching like that. But they remain spiritual infants, unable to stand in the day of trial and not equipped to do battle in the spiritual war that we are all fighting.
Lord Jesus said that few enter the narrow path that leads to life. Be one of the few, whatever the cost. I can assure you that it is most difficult and demanding but also greatly rewarding.
The conservative types tend to be introverted and insular. Those groups are fading away. The Pentecostal/Charismatic types are m ore outgoing, but many employ unbiblical methods to attract people. No gets saved by absorbing a hyped up atmosphere. A number of Pentecostal churches here go by the title "Enjoy Church". Lord help us. The word of God is meant to convict, correct, rebuke and train in righteousness. We should be full of love and joy, but Christians should also know the discipline of God's word and leaders should be prepared to tell it like it is.
Shallow preaching produces shallow believers, if they are for real in the first place. The goal of the church should be the same as God's, which is to see people saved, but also to be brought to the knowledge of the truth. (1 Timothy 2:4) Once a believer knows the truth, nothing can move him. Half an hour on a Sunday is not going to do the job. I see preachers on TV who are more like motivational speakers, telling people how wonderful they are and how blessed they are going to be. You will fill your church with preaching like that. But they remain spiritual infants, unable to stand in the day of trial and not equipped to do battle in the spiritual war that we are all fighting.
Lord Jesus said that few enter the narrow path that leads to life. Be one of the few, whatever the cost. I can assure you that it is most difficult and demanding but also greatly rewarding.
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Dear Billy Graham whose memory all Americans ought to revere was not Pentecostal although h was far from being critical of them. He had done enough evangelism in third world countries to have witnessed the spiritual revolution the Pentecostals were bringing to those nations.
I do not favour the altar call .... millions were reached by Billy, who knows how many were saved.
I do not favour the altar call .... millions were reached by Billy, who knows how many were saved.
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Yeh ... I don't accept your analysis. I remember the first time I walked into a tiny old fashioned Pentecostal church. My face was lit up radiant and there wasn't a thing I could do about it ... they all thought it was the devil.
It is Pentecostals of the 40s 50s and 60s who let the testimony fall and were backslidden. God is doing great things today.
It is Pentecostals of the 40s 50s and 60s who let the testimony fall and were backslidden. God is doing great things today.
Well ... the critics call them megachurch in derogatory terms ... when people displease themselves with what God is doing they will just be displeased. I have always been opposed to altar calls and "decisions" while admitting many do get saved thereby.
If it were true that they soon fall away their churches would not be getting bigger and bigger in numerical terms, then they split up into church planting and each church plant grows into full blown assemblies.
God is doing great things.
If it were true that they soon fall away their churches would not be getting bigger and bigger in numerical terms, then they split up into church planting and each church plant grows into full blown assemblies.
God is doing great things.