If YESUAH says that the wicked is gather FIRST, WHY ARE some people looking for a rapture,??? Who does the say was taken in the flood.???

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1) no wicked are shown to be gathered at the rapture.

2) in the rapture ONLY the righteous are gathered.

3) Jesus shows over and over the righteous gathered FIRST.

4) rev 14 shows 3 gatherings...first 2 righteous....3rd is wicked.

5) at the gwtj BOTH ARE GATHERED TOGETHER. CLEARLY in scripture.

All this is easily brought foreward.
^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^
 
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Oh wait.....
I was wrong. I must edit.

I do apologize


THERE ARE 6 VERSES WHERE RIGHTEOUS GATHERED FIRST.

I forgot noah!!!!!!!

Yep truth most certainly builds.!!!!!!!
^^^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^
 
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"""If we make these connections between Rev 1:10, 1 Cor 3:13, Mat 13:30, Mat 3:12, and Rev 20:13-15, we see that within the scope of Revelation (the Lord's day), the wicked (tares) are harvested first. There is no clear passage that discusses the righteous being harvested first on the Lord's day because it would contradict established facts from other passages. We can speculate that the timing of the wicked being burned is not necessarily prior to the righteous being taken into the barn, but the gathering and binding is indeed beforehand.""""

Are you even aware that Jesus interpreted the parable of the wheat and tares?????

All your guesswork is in vain.

Jesus told us EXACTLY WHEN THE TARES ARE BURNED.
THEY ARE BURNED AT THE GWTJ.

YOU ARE LITTERALLY BATTING THE AIR
 
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Matthew 13:30 I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Too bad you did not keep reading.

Mat 13
his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
 
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all postrib rapture arguments are reframed verses and dynamics
 
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Revelation 12 isn't. Only some parts of Revelation are on the Lords day.
Good rebuttal. Rev 12 could be interpreted as the birth of Christ.

If that is the case, we either have to look at it as not being on the Lord's day (chronologically before the Lord's day), or at the idea that the Lord's day doesn't follow linear time (that it weaves in and out of points in history).
 

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Good rebuttal. Rev 12 could be interpreted as the birth of Christ.

If that is the case, we either have to look at it as not being on the Lord's day (chronologically before the Lord's day), or at the idea that the Lord's day doesn't follow linear time (that it weaves in and out of points in history).

Revelation only starts at the day of the Lord but it goes back and forth through history and the future. It is chronological at times and at other times non-chronological.
 
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Too bad you did not keep reading.

Mat 13
his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
This is good. An attempt to use scripture to address a point. It does not substantiate your perspective of "righteous gathered first" in the harvest, but the attempt to reference specific verses of scripture in any capacity is appreciated. In this segment of Mat 13 we see "tares gathered" in 39 and "then the righteous" in 43. This is after Mat 13:30 explicitly states "first the tares".

A consolidated reply instead of a dozen replies at a time would be helpful.

"""The righteous are spoken to first but the description of the wick ones' fate is addressed first. The description of fates could be achronological. Achronological description is required in order to interpret this to be consistent with "righteous gathered first" but there is nothing in Mat 25 itself that indicates that as the case."""
You say all that INSPITE OF THE FACT that the righteous are gathered first.
The 5 wise virgins are ALREADY GATHERED before any rejection of the foolish....what a butcher job you do on the story.
When asked about what you meant by Matthew 25, you specifically mentioned the parable of the sheep and goats in post 136. Regardless, even the parable of the 10 virgins shows the foolish virgins being gathered away from the church first (I also don't agree with your conjecture that wise and foolish are equivalent to good vs wicked). Even taking the parable of the 10 virgins into consideration, your interpretation of the necessity of the "righteous gathered first" in Mat 25 is still incorrect.

Mat 25
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41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
^ Post 136

Exactly...even though it is so clear that Jesus said to pray for escape then put a bilboard in your front yard depicting lot and noah as gathered prejudgement.
I don't accept your usage of Lot and Noah as representations of rapture. I reject your definition of rapture as merely "escaping wrath". You have tried to "reframe" the conversation to be about any instance of escaping wrath, but the topic at hand is very specifically about the Day of the Lord / the time of harvest and the interpretation of living believers being pulled up into the clouds to escape the wine of wrath.

I have already addressed the fact that I don't agree with the conjecture "the wicked are always gathered first" as some other users may have presented. It obviously doesn't make sense in the context of Noah's ark.

Did Jesus say to pray to escape the trib?

30 or so [pre-judgement/pre-wrath/Day of the Lord/harvest] escape verses in the bible
30 different verses? I look forward to seeing even one verse that agrees with your perspective and excludes its opposite.

You NEED THEM DELIVERED AFTER judgement.
You say we are delivered / raptured AFTER JUDGEMENT.
The interpretation of a rapture after judgement, between Rev 20 and Rev 21, does not appear to be disputed (and does resonates well with Mat 13:47-49).

"Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just" - Mat 13:47-49 KJV

What happens when everyone is pulled out of Hades, death, and the sea? Are each of these people cast into the Lake of Fire? Or are some of them saved? If some are saved, how else are they taken to New Jerusalem if not by flying into the sky?

Is there a final rapture at judgement? If there is, how are we so certain that any reference to a rapture in scripture references pre-judgement?

"""all of the living righteous are raptured away before the wine of wrath described in Revelation"""

thats not what pretribs believe
If that is not your interpretation, explain to me what is. How does rapture work in your worldview? Why do you believe that the parable of the tares (wicked gathered first) doesn't apply here? What are the specific verses that pinpoint when the rapture happens?

all postrib rapture arguments are reframed verses and dynamics
By "reframed" do you mean an interpretation that lacks necessity? That likely would be the case for post-judgement rapture, but then so too pre-judgement rapture is "reframed" by lacking necessity.
 

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I assume in some cases it is a friendly exercise in exegesis.
Most of it’s not ‘friendly’ from my view. It looks like a lot of arguing and bickering back-and-forth saying ‘you’re wrong, no you’re wrong’. It’s headache inducing.
 
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It looks like a lot of arguing and bickering back-and-forth
"Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend." - Proverbs 27:17 KJV

What is your interpretation of rapture and Revelation?
 

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Most of it’s not ‘friendly’ from my view. It looks like a lot of arguing and bickering back-and-forth saying ‘you’re wrong, no you’re wrong’. It’s headache inducing.
Not only that but some will even question if the other side is saved,born again because of a difference in interpretation! How's that for an Ad Hominem?
 
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This is good. An attempt to use scripture to address a point. It does not substantiate your perspective of "righteous gathered first" in the harvest, but the attempt to reference specific verses of scripture in any capacity is appreciated. In this segment of Mat 13 we see "tares gathered" in 39 and "then the righteous" in 43. This is after Mat 13:30 explicitly states "first the tares".

A consolidated reply instead of a dozen replies at a time would be helpful.



When asked about what you meant by Matthew 25, you specifically mentioned the parable of the sheep and goats in post 136. Regardless, even the parable of the 10 virgins shows the foolish virgins being gathered away from the church first (I also don't agree with your conjecture that wise and foolish are equivalent to good vs wicked). Even taking the parable of the 10 virgins into consideration, your interpretation of the necessity of the "righteous gathered first" in Mat 25 is still incorrect.



^ Post 136



I don't accept your usage of Lot and Noah as representations of rapture. I reject your definition of rapture as merely "escaping wrath". You have tried to "reframe" the conversation to be about any instance of escaping wrath, but the topic at hand is very specifically about the Day of the Lord / the time of harvest and the interpretation of living believers being pulled up into the clouds to escape the wine of wrath.

I have already addressed the fact that I don't agree with the conjecture "the wicked are always gathered first" as some other users may have presented. It obviously doesn't make sense in the context of Noah's ark.



30 different verses? I look forward to seeing even one verse that agrees with your perspective and excludes its opposite.



The interpretation of a rapture after judgement, between Rev 20 and Rev 21, does not appear to be disputed (and does resonates well with Mat 13:47-49).

"Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just" - Mat 13:47-49 KJV

What happens when everyone is pulled out of Hades, death, and the sea? Are each of these people cast into the Lake of Fire? Or are some of them saved? If some are saved, how else are they taken to New Jerusalem if not by flying into the sky?

Is there a final rapture at judgement? If there is, how are we so certain that any reference to a rapture in scripture references pre-judgement?



If that is not your interpretation, explain to me what is. How does rapture work in your worldview? Why do you believe that the parable of the tares (wicked gathered first) doesn't apply here? What are the specific verses that pinpoint when the rapture happens?



By "reframed" do you mean an interpretation that lacks necessity? That likely would be the case for post-judgement rapture, but then so too pre-judgement rapture is "reframed" by lacking necessity.
"""I don't accept your usage of Lot and Noah as representations of rapture. I reject your definition of rapture as merely "escaping wrath". You have tried to "reframe" the conversation to be about any instance of escaping wrath, but the topic at hand is very specifically about the Day of the Lord / the time of harvest and the interpretation of living believers being pulled up into the clouds to escape the wine of wrath"""

No matter what you do to cleverly misrepresent what is clearly written both lot and noah were gathered ahead of Judgement and Jesus used BOTH AND DECLARED " WATCH AND BE READY"

NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO TO IT, NEITHER LOT OR NOAH WERR GATHERED POST TRIB/ FLOOD/ JUDGEMENT.

No amount of cleverness removes verses.

I post verses showing you a dynamic 2 or 3 times and you work so hard to reframe it and say the opposite of the word of God.

"""When asked about what you meant by Matthew 25, you specifically mentioned the parable of the sheep and goats in post 136. Regardless, even the parable of the 10 virgins shows the foolish virgins being gathered away from the church first (I also don't agree with your conjecture that wise and foolish are equivalent to good vs wicked). Even taking the parable of the 10 virgins into consideration, your interpretation of the necessity of the "righteous gathered first" in Mat 25 is still incorrect."""

Well i tell you what. You keep right on doing what you do.

No matter what , the word of God is what you are changing.

Period.

You go real hard in that direction you have chosen.
See ya!

Just believe what you will.
 

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If YESUAH says that the wicked is gather FIRST, WHY ARE some people looking for a rapture,??? Who does it say was taken in the flood.???
All that were not TAKEN into the Ark BEFORE the flood came, were LEFT in an unsafe place when the flood took them to their deaths. The one LEFT is always the one who dies. The one TAKEN is taken to a safe place BEFORE the dying happens to the one LEFT in a dangerous situation.

It's that way in the story of Noah, the story of Lot, and even the OT plague:


Exodus 9:19 Send therefore now, and gather thy cattle, and all that thou hast in the field; for upon every man and beast which shall be found in the field, and shall not be brought home, the hail shall come down upon them, and they shall die.

The word gather here means the same type of thing as the one "taken" means. All that is not taken from the field shall die from the hail, just as all who were not taken from Sodom died from the hail.



Exodus 9:20 He that feared the word of the LORD among the servants of Pharaoh made his servants and his cattle flee into the houses:
Exodus 9:21 And he that regarded not the word of the LORD LEFT his servants and his cattle in the field.



check the meaning for the word "left" here:

5800

05800 `azab {aw-zab'}

a primitive root; TWOT - 1594,1595; v

AV - forsake 129, leave 72, leave off 4, faileth 2, fortify 2, help 2,
committeth 1, destitute 1, refuseth 1, surely 1; 215

1) to leave, loose, forsake
1a) (Qal) to leave
1a1) to depart from, leave behind, leave, let alone
1a2) to leave, abandon, forsake, neglect, apostatise
1a3) to let loose, set free, let go, free
1b) (Niphal)
1b1) to be left to
1b2) to be forsaken
1c) (Pual) to be deserted
2) to restore, repair
2a) (Qal) to repair

"to leave, loose, forsake"
"to depart from, leave behind, leave, let alone"
"abandon, forsake, neglect"
"to be forsaken"
"to be deserted"


compare that to the meaning of the "one left" from the New Testament:

863

863 aphiemi {af-ee'-ay-mee}

from 575 and hiemi (to send, an intens. form of eimi, to go);
TDNT - 1:509,88; v

AV - leave 52, forgive 47, suffer 14, let 8, forsake 6, let alone 6,
misc 13; 146

1) to send away
1a) to bid going away or depart
1a1) of a husband divorcing his wife
1b) to send forth, yield up, to expire
1c) to let go, let alone, let be
1c1) to disregard
1c2) to leave, not to discuss now, (a topic)
1c21) of teachers, writers and speakers
1c3) to omit, neglect
1d) to let go, give up a debt, forgive, to remit
1e) to give up, keep no longer
2) to permit, allow, not to hinder, to give up a thing to a person
3) to leave, go way from one

3a) in order to go to another place
3b) to depart from any one
3c) to depart from one and leave him to himself so that all
mutual claims are abandoned
3d) to desert wrongfully
3e) to go away leaving something behind
3f) to leave one by not taking him as a companion
3g) to leave on dying, leave behind one
3h) to leave so that what is left may remain, leave remaining
3i) abandon, leave destitute

left in the field hebrew:

"to leave, loose, forsake"
"to depart from, leave behind, leave, let alone"
"abandon, forsake, neglect"
"to be forsaken"
"to be deserted"

left in the field greek:

"to send away"
"of a husband divorcing his wife"
"to expire"
"to disregard"
"neglect"
"keep no longer"
"to leave on dying"
"leave behind one"
"to desert wrongfully"
"abandon, leave destitute"


both words mean the same thing.


Exodus 9:22 And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch forth thine hand toward heaven, that there may be hail in all the land of Egypt, upon man, and upon beast, and upon every herb of the field, throughout the land of Egypt.
Exodus 9:23 And Moses stretched forth his rod toward heaven: and the LORD sent thunder and hail, and the fire ran along upon the ground; and the LORD rained hail upon the land of Egypt.
Exodus 9:24 So there was hail, and fire mingled with the hail, very grievous, such as there was none like it in all the land of Egypt since it became a nation.
Exodus 9:25 And the hail smote throughout all the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast; and the hail smote every herb of the field, and brake every tree of the field.


"the hail smote throughout all the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast"

This hail is a type of Gods judgement, just as the fire was in Lot's day, and just as the flood God sent to destroy the wicked in Noahs day and just as hail shall fall when Christ returns!



Revelation 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.



Another witness that at the time of Gods wrath the first thing happening is the one TAKEN from the field is saved, the one LEFT there is destroyed. Gods wrath comes at the 7th trump!
 
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All that were not TAKEN into the Ark BEFORE the flood came, were LEFT in an unsafe place when the flood took them to their deaths. The one LEFT is always the one who dies. The one TAKEN is taken to a safe place BEFORE the dying happens to the one LEFT in a dangerous situation.

It's that way in the story of Noah, the story of Lot, and even the OT plague:


Exodus 9:19 Send therefore now, and gather thy cattle, and all that thou hast in the field; for upon every man and beast which shall be found in the field, and shall not be brought home, the hail shall come down upon them, and they shall die.

The word gather here means the same type of thing as the one "taken" means. All that is not taken from the field shall die from the hail, just as all who were not taken from Sodom died from the hail.



Exodus 9:20 He that feared the word of the LORD among the servants of Pharaoh made his servants and his cattle flee into the houses:
Exodus 9:21 And he that regarded not the word of the LORD LEFT his servants and his cattle in the field.



check the meaning for the word "left" here:

5800

05800 `azab {aw-zab'}

a primitive root; TWOT - 1594,1595; v

AV - forsake 129, leave 72, leave off 4, faileth 2, fortify 2, help 2,
committeth 1, destitute 1, refuseth 1, surely 1; 215

1) to leave, loose, forsake
1a) (Qal) to leave
1a1) to depart from, leave behind, leave, let alone
1a2) to leave, abandon, forsake, neglect, apostatise
1a3) to let loose, set free, let go, free
1b) (Niphal)
1b1) to be left to
1b2) to be forsaken
1c) (Pual) to be deserted
2) to restore, repair
2a) (Qal) to repair

"to leave, loose, forsake"
"to depart from, leave behind, leave, let alone"
"abandon, forsake, neglect"
"to be forsaken"
"to be deserted"


compare that to the meaning of the "one left" from the New Testament:

863

863 aphiemi {af-ee'-ay-mee}

from 575 and hiemi (to send, an intens. form of eimi, to go);
TDNT - 1:509,88; v

AV - leave 52, forgive 47, suffer 14, let 8, forsake 6, let alone 6,
misc 13; 146

1) to send away
1a) to bid going away or depart
1a1) of a husband divorcing his wife
1b) to send forth, yield up, to expire
1c) to let go, let alone, let be
1c1) to disregard
1c2) to leave, not to discuss now, (a topic)
1c21) of teachers, writers and speakers
1c3) to omit, neglect
1d) to let go, give up a debt, forgive, to remit
1e) to give up, keep no longer
2) to permit, allow, not to hinder, to give up a thing to a person
3) to leave, go way from one

3a) in order to go to another place
3b) to depart from any one
3c) to depart from one and leave him to himself so that all
mutual claims are abandoned
3d) to desert wrongfully
3e) to go away leaving something behind
3f) to leave one by not taking him as a companion
3g) to leave on dying, leave behind one
3h) to leave so that what is left may remain, leave remaining
3i) abandon, leave destitute

left in the field hebrew:

"to leave, loose, forsake"
"to depart from, leave behind, leave, let alone"
"abandon, forsake, neglect"
"to be forsaken"
"to be deserted"

left in the field greek:

"to send away"
"of a husband divorcing his wife"
"to expire"
"to disregard"
"neglect"
"keep no longer"
"to leave on dying"
"leave behind one"
"to desert wrongfully"
"abandon, leave destitute"


both words mean the same thing.


Exodus 9:22 And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch forth thine hand toward heaven, that there may be hail in all the land of Egypt, upon man, and upon beast, and upon every herb of the field, throughout the land of Egypt.
Exodus 9:23 And Moses stretched forth his rod toward heaven: and the LORD sent thunder and hail, and the fire ran along upon the ground; and the LORD rained hail upon the land of Egypt.
Exodus 9:24 So there was hail, and fire mingled with the hail, very grievous, such as there was none like it in all the land of Egypt since it became a nation.
Exodus 9:25 And the hail smote throughout all the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast; and the hail smote every herb of the field, and brake every tree of the field.


"the hail smote throughout all the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast"

This hail is a type of Gods judgement, just as the fire was in Lot's day, and just as the flood God sent to destroy the wicked in Noahs day and just as hail shall fall when Christ returns!



Revelation 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.



Another witness that at the time of Gods wrath the first thing happening is the one TAKEN from the field is saved, the one LEFT there is destroyed. Gods wrath comes at the 7th trump!
if you look at the context of mat 24 "one taken/left" it is in fact the pretrib rapture....it says watch and be ready
 
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for years and even today most have never looked at context and got it totally backwards and believe the one taken is some wicked.
Never even realizing they are placing the population of the world as half born again believers and half wicked.

......and never even realizing they believe the impossible.
Can not happen or even be plausible
 

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^ "And THEY knew not UNTIL the flood came and took THEM all away" cannot possibly be referring to "Noah [& crew]"... for God TOLD NOAH precisely seven days BEFORE the flood came, that it would be coming [in] "FOR YET SEVEN DAYS" (so he certainly DID *KNOW* beforehand! and all of Noah's crew knew coz they boarded at that time also with him, Gen7:1a,4a,5)
 

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^ "And THEY knew not UNTIL the flood came and took THEM all away" cannot possibly be referring to "Noah [& crew]"... for God TOLD NOAH precisely seven days BEFORE the flood came, that it would be coming [in] "FOR YET SEVEN DAYS" (so he certainly DID *KNOW* beforehand! and all of Noah's crew knew coz they boarded at that time also with him, Gen7:1a,4a,5)
The flood did take the Ark away to a new place with Noah and his family.
 

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Good rebuttal. Rev 12 could be interpreted as the birth of Christ.
Hello Jocund,

Jesus as the Male Child in Rev.12 is a popular interpretation, but is however false. Jesus does not fit the criteria of being the Male Child.

Verses 1 - 6 are all symbolic:

The Woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under feet and wearing a crown of twelve stars on her head is figurative representing the nation of Israel, as revealed in Genesis 37:9-10, where the same symbols were used in Joseph's dream.

Since the woman is not a literal woman, then neither is she literally pregnant, nor does she give literal birth, nor is the Male Child a literal child.

Neither is the huge red dragon with seven heads, ten horns and seven crowns a literal dragon.

Neither are the stars that the dragon sweeps out of the sky to the earth, literal stars.

This being the truth, why then would we interpret the Male Child as Jesus being a literal child?

As I said earlier, Jesus does not fit the criteria of being the Male Child.

"And her child was caught up to God and to His throne. "

The word "harpazo" translated as "caught up" is defined as 'force suddenly exercise, properly, seize by force; snatch up, suddenly and decisively – like someone seizing bounty (spoil, a prize); to take by an open display of force.' This is the same word used when Paul said that he was "caught up" to the third heaven and when the living in Christ are "caught up" when the resurrection takes place and is the same word used when the Spirit "caught away" Phil from the eunuch. This is how the Male Child will be caught up to God's throne, snatched up before the dragon/Satan can kill him. This did not happen to Jesus, for He was crucified, buried, resurrected and later ascended to God's right hand. Therefore, Jesus cannot be the Male child for this reason as well. So, who is the Male Child?

In Revelation 7, we are introduced to a group of 144,000 Israelites, twelve thousand from each of the twelve tribes. In Revelation 14 we see these 144,000 standing on the heavenly Mount Zion, which is a moniker for the New Jerusalem. In verse 4 it states that these 144,000 are those who did not defile themselves with women which would make them all males, ergo, Male Child, which is a collective name representing the 144,000.

The Woman is the unbelieving nation of Israel and the 144,000 are believing Israelites who will recognize Jesus as their Messiah and who come out of the woman, ergo, the woman gives figurative birth to 144,000 believing Israelites.

In the middle of the tribulation period, Satan and his angels will be cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth, which is the result of the 7th trumpet and is the 3rd woe (but woe to the inhabitants of the earth!). Satan will be ready to devour/kill the Male Child/144,000, but the Male Child will be caught up to God and His throne before that can happen. Then the dragon/Satan goes after the woman/Israel because he is angry that he could not get the Male child and because he will have been cast to the earth knowing that his time is short.

If that is the case, we either have to look at it as not being on the Lord's day (chronologically before the Lord's day), or at the idea that the Lord's day doesn't follow linear time (that it weaves in and out of points in history).
Just fyi, "The Lord's day" is not the same as "The Day of the Lord."

The Lord's Day = The first day of the week in recognition of His resurrection

The Day of the Lord = The prophesied time period of God's wrath