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Forgive me for the long written out story.
Before I tell you the good news that you might know, I must tell you the bad news. God who is absolutely perfect and holy cannot accept sin. Definition of sin is the contradiction of God's word. God cannot tolerate it. God gave us His standard which is completely holy. This was the law (Torah) and it told the Israelite nation to obey it, because man's sin was evil and God tried to straighten out Israel to follow the law with right motives. There was penalties for what was really sinful against God. Men over time thought that following the law will make you righteous and holy, but they had wrong motives. In the Law there was also sacrifices had to be made for the forgiveness of sin. The law was there to show sin, that's what it was there for, for no one can keep the law and be saved (Romans 3:23).
Men over time thought if you obeyed the law it will set you free, really it brought bondage. If you sinned then you aren't right to go to heaven because you are a sinner.*But the law was for them to know sin, and come to God for His help. Think of the Ten commandments (do not steal, do not murder, ect), have you followed all of them or obeyed them completely all your life? No not even the ten commandment which is part of the law. So if you broke one of the commandments you are condemned and a sinner.
But the whole time God had a plan throughout history from the beginning that He will be merciful and help mankind by grace. He knew we can't keep up with the law and be saved....it's impossible. But God sent His Son just so He can let you stand and not be condemned (John 3:16). He had to sacrifice His Son just to free man completely. When we sin God can forgive us without sacrifices. Because what you did in the past now can't stop you from going to heaven. God broke the barrier of sin (Romans 6:23). We are able to go to God's glorious kingdom without being condemn of our past. It is called salvation, where God delivers us from the pits of hell and saves us from the second death. Romans 6:14 says, For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.*For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. -Romans 5:6-9
All we have to do is go to Him, believe and trust Him and give up ourselves and we will then be grafted in Him so that we may stand as children of God. God loves us and hates to see the world burn (John 3:16). He very much dislikes people to go to hell, thats why Christ died so that if we go to Him and believe we will prevent hell. It's our job to let us share this love so other people so they won't go to hell. We love you guys and would die just to save your life. God loved us first that's why we love Him, because also who He is! (1John 4:19) You can be apart of this salvation that God brings, share the gospel with your friends so that they might see.*that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; -Romans 10:9*
God bless and take care
Before I tell you the good news that you might know, I must tell you the bad news. God who is absolutely perfect and holy cannot accept sin. Definition of sin is the contradiction of God's word. God cannot tolerate it. God gave us His standard which is completely holy. This was the law (Torah) and it told the Israelite nation to obey it, because man's sin was evil and God tried to straighten out Israel to follow the law with right motives. There was penalties for what was really sinful against God. Men over time thought that following the law will make you righteous and holy, but they had wrong motives. In the Law there was also sacrifices had to be made for the forgiveness of sin. The law was there to show sin, that's what it was there for, for no one can keep the law and be saved (Romans 3:23).
Men over time thought if you obeyed the law it will set you free, really it brought bondage. If you sinned then you aren't right to go to heaven because you are a sinner.*But the law was for them to know sin, and come to God for His help. Think of the Ten commandments (do not steal, do not murder, ect), have you followed all of them or obeyed them completely all your life? No not even the ten commandment which is part of the law. So if you broke one of the commandments you are condemned and a sinner.
But the whole time God had a plan throughout history from the beginning that He will be merciful and help mankind by grace. He knew we can't keep up with the law and be saved....it's impossible. But God sent His Son just so He can let you stand and not be condemned (John 3:16). He had to sacrifice His Son just to free man completely. When we sin God can forgive us without sacrifices. Because what you did in the past now can't stop you from going to heaven. God broke the barrier of sin (Romans 6:23). We are able to go to God's glorious kingdom without being condemn of our past. It is called salvation, where God delivers us from the pits of hell and saves us from the second death. Romans 6:14 says, For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.*For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. -Romans 5:6-9
All we have to do is go to Him, believe and trust Him and give up ourselves and we will then be grafted in Him so that we may stand as children of God. God loves us and hates to see the world burn (John 3:16). He very much dislikes people to go to hell, thats why Christ died so that if we go to Him and believe we will prevent hell. It's our job to let us share this love so other people so they won't go to hell. We love you guys and would die just to save your life. God loved us first that's why we love Him, because also who He is! (1John 4:19) You can be apart of this salvation that God brings, share the gospel with your friends so that they might see.*that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; -Romans 10:9*
God bless and take care
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Laylie: This is not an attack, but an honest question.
You seem to have thought for a long time about why you do not believe in Jesus, or in God in general (be it the God of the bible or any other). So, with that in mind, what keeps you coming back here? You said it yourself; You don't feel like writing a paper about why you don't believe, and you've already said it. What is it that keeps you clicking the URL?
You seem to have thought for a long time about why you do not believe in Jesus, or in God in general (be it the God of the bible or any other). So, with that in mind, what keeps you coming back here? You said it yourself; You don't feel like writing a paper about why you don't believe, and you've already said it. What is it that keeps you clicking the URL?
@Crazy4GodWord
I've heard all of this before, many many times, from the moment I was born. I've told people this before, I believed this before, I assure you, I am familiar with the explanation you have, which is really just a basic overview of Christianity in general. I must inform you that the reasons many of us, including myself, do not believe is not because we don't understand it, it's because we take issue with it as well as don't see a reason to think it's true.
In your summary of the Christian faith you've overlooked and completely ignored some massive issues that I believe completely contradict the idea that god is loving, merciful, and just. You ignored things like why would god set a holy standard of perfection, then set up a plan in which all humans would be born into sin, and then set the punishment for sin to be eternal torture? You're also forgetting that god had complete control of everything from the very beginning, he did not have to create hell, he did not have to create the criteria upon which souls are judged to say that all sinners must go there. Really, his divine plan ends with 98% of humans who've ever lived burning in eternal agony, does this seem very perfect and loving to you? There's numerous issues with your attempt to solve the problem of hell and I could go on and on and on...
Which is why I said I don't want to argue about it, because it would surely go on for pages and pages. You asked me a few questions and I gave you some honest answers. But I'm not asking questions, I don't need to hear what the Christian perspective on hell is, because I already know it and reject it. I think you're a nice guy and you're curious so you're asking questions, that's great, keep going and learning things, and I realize you probably just want to help "save" people which is a noble intention, I'm not mad at you. I just want to end this exchange where it is. If you have more questions however, feel free to ask!
I've heard all of this before, many many times, from the moment I was born. I've told people this before, I believed this before, I assure you, I am familiar with the explanation you have, which is really just a basic overview of Christianity in general. I must inform you that the reasons many of us, including myself, do not believe is not because we don't understand it, it's because we take issue with it as well as don't see a reason to think it's true.
In your summary of the Christian faith you've overlooked and completely ignored some massive issues that I believe completely contradict the idea that god is loving, merciful, and just. You ignored things like why would god set a holy standard of perfection, then set up a plan in which all humans would be born into sin, and then set the punishment for sin to be eternal torture? You're also forgetting that god had complete control of everything from the very beginning, he did not have to create hell, he did not have to create the criteria upon which souls are judged to say that all sinners must go there. Really, his divine plan ends with 98% of humans who've ever lived burning in eternal agony, does this seem very perfect and loving to you? There's numerous issues with your attempt to solve the problem of hell and I could go on and on and on...
Which is why I said I don't want to argue about it, because it would surely go on for pages and pages. You asked me a few questions and I gave you some honest answers. But I'm not asking questions, I don't need to hear what the Christian perspective on hell is, because I already know it and reject it. I think you're a nice guy and you're curious so you're asking questions, that's great, keep going and learning things, and I realize you probably just want to help "save" people which is a noble intention, I'm not mad at you. I just want to end this exchange where it is. If you have more questions however, feel free to ask!
I've answered this question tons of times too, but I can very much see while people are curious to the answer. Basically, I enjoy the chat rooms, I get to talk about non-religious things in there and I've made a few friends. I enjoy writing unique responses in the forums. And I get to promote open-mindedness, there's a lot of anti-gay (though I'm not a lesbian myself, I'm still sticking up for a minority) and anti-nonbeliever stuff here, I'd just like to dispel some of it I guess. It's also a challenge for me to try and explain things and articulate my points in a manner that MIGHT actually have a small effect. In order to do so I have to break the rules of my normal conversations, and think differently, like I'm a Christian again It's like a puzzle!
So yeah, it's a nice little break from work or one of my hobbies, makes good multitasking material.
It's like a puzzle!So yeah, it's a nice little break from work or one of my hobbies, makes good multitasking material.
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I've answered this question tons of times too, but I can very much see while people are curious to the answer. Basically, I enjoy the chat rooms, I get to talk about non-religious things in there and I've made a few friends. I enjoy writing unique responses in the forums. And I get to promote open-mindedness, there's a lot of anti-gay (though I'm not a lesbian myself, I'm still sticking up for a minority) and anti-nonbeliever stuff here, I'd just like to dispel some of it I guess. It's also a challenge for me to try and explain things and articulate my points in a manner that MIGHT actually have a small effect. In order to do so I have to break the rules of my normal conversations, and think differently, like I'm a Christian again It's like a puzzle!
So yeah, it's a nice little break from work or one of my hobbies, makes good multitasking material.
It's like a puzzle!So yeah, it's a nice little break from work or one of my hobbies, makes good multitasking material.
Hi Im not a complete athiest I think its very possible there is some great designer out there, there is much proof of that which I wont go into because its a huge topic just look around is the planet not designed insuch a way specifice for humans to live Air, water, sun, resources etc while the rest of what we have discovered is not. But I will say Im as clueless as everybody here even those of you who think they know and have some sort of relationship with some God from a cosmic book evented by man to control the masses its no new news of cause religion as a whole is a virus spread by weak minds.
However if this great designer does happen to be the God in your bible this oh so loving god that we need so much then I straight out reject him there is no love in this what so ever.
cheers faceless.
However if this great designer does happen to be the God in your bible this oh so loving god that we need so much then I straight out reject him there is no love in this what so ever.
cheers faceless.
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Correction: it was Elisha who cursed the children in the name of the LORD. Not Elijah, Elijah had already been taken up in the chariot of fire in Bethel. The situation occurs as Elisha is leaving Bethel.
2 Kings 2:22-24
King James Version (KJV)
22So the waters were healed unto this day, according to the saying of Elisha which he spake.
23And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. 24And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
2 Kings 2:22-24
King James Version (KJV)
22So the waters were healed unto this day, according to the saying of Elisha which he spake.
23And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. 24And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.