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1» Was Jesus a Christian?

Jesus was a Jew thru and thru who believed and practiced the Old
Testament in compliance with the Prophets and the various covenants; most
especially the one that Moses' people agreed upon with God per Exodus,
Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. (Gal 4:4)
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2» Was John the baptizer a Christian?

John missed the cut. Jesus didn't begin assembling the "my church"
predicted at Matt 16:18 till after John was executed.

In point of fact, Christianity didn't exist prior to Jesus' resurrection--
specifically before the day of Pentecost following that event.

The day of Pentecost kicked of an era characterized by the baptism of the
Holy Spirit (Acts 1:5 and 1Cor 12:12-13).

John was filled with the Spirit all his life, even prior to his birth (Luke 1:15).
But he wasn't baptized by the Spirit. This is a very, very important
technicality.
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Secular history does follow nothing new under the sun, OT stories sounds like personalities when its about the heart, mind, feeling etc.......... being inside each man who thinks outside for observations that are just reflections that just die and reborn..
 
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Jesus is The Christ...... the "only Begotten of the Father".

Those who came to Him in Faith, and are born again now, became the 1st Christians.

The verse says....>"they were first called Christians, at Antioch"........Acts 11

Thats over a decade after Christ was ascended back into Glory.
 
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In point of fact, Christianity didn't exist prior to Jesus' resurrection--

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The Crucifixion started the "time of the Gentiles'"

It would be correct to teach that a person's salvation begins when they are born again.
And would not be incorrect to teach that when Jesus "breathed on the Apostles, and said, Receive ye the Spirit", that they became saved, which was before Pentecost.

I would teach that "all who believe on Jesus, shall be saved".
That includes Mary who was at Jesus's Tomb, and Lazareth's family and thousands more who believed that Jesus was Messiah before he was Crucified and before He ascended.

The Bible is always progressive revelation, so, even in the beginning of the "church" in Acts 2, ...this changed, as Paul arrived and preached what He called "my Gospel"...
 
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3» How were John the Baptist's mom and Jesus' mom relatives?

John's mom was of the tribe of Levi. (Luke 1:5)

Jesus' mom was of the tribe of Judah. (Luke 1:32, Rom 1:3, and Heb 7:14)

Both tribes descend from Leah. (Gen 35:23)

Ergo: The two moms were cousins via the same grandmother.
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3» How were John the Baptist's mom and Jesus' mom relatives?

John's mom was of the tribe of Levi. (Luke 1:5)

Jesus' mom was of the tribe of Judah. (Luke 1:32, Rom 1:3, and Heb 7:14)

Both tribes descend from Leah. (Gen 35:23)

Ergo: The two moms were cousins via the same grandmother.
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Jesus said that "among men, born of a woman, there is none greater than John"......>yet, the least in the Kingdom of God is greater"
 
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Why would satan be released after the 1000 years reign of Jesus in the Millennium to deceive the people?

Because of the offsprings of the tribulation saints. Their children are still descendants of Adam. God still need to separate the sheep from the goats.
 
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Webers.Home said:
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1» Was Jesus a Christian?

Jesus was a Jew thru and thru who believed and practiced the Old
Testament in compliance with the Prophets and the various covenants; most
especially the one that Moses' people agreed upon with God per Exodus,
Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. (Gal 4:4)
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Christ means Messiah. Jesus is Messiah. Early followers were called little Messiah's, which was intended as a slur. We later adopted the term as a badge of honor, and now we are called Christian. If you follow Jesus, are Jewish and live in Israel, you likely call yourself Messianic, which when translated means Christian.
 
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2» Was John the baptizer a Christian?

John missed the cut. Jesus didn't begin assembling the "my church"
predicted at Matt 16:18 till after John was executed.

In point of fact, Christianity didn't exist prior to Jesus' resurrection--
specifically before the day of Pentecost following that event.

The day of Pentecost kicked of an era characterized by the baptism of the
Holy Spirit (Acts 1:5 and 1Cor 12:12-13).

John was filled with the Spirit all his life, even prior to his birth (Luke 1:15).
But he wasn't baptized by the Spirit. This is a very, very important
technicality.
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Messiah is where we get the word Christ. John knew Jesus was Messiah (Christ) after baptizing Jesus. John knew Jesus to be superior and righteous, and we can see that John had faith in the fact Jesus was Christ. Therefore, John can be called Christian.
 
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Messiah is where we get the word Christ. John knew Jesus was Messiah (Christ) after baptizing Jesus. John knew Jesus to be superior and righteous, and we can see that John had faith in the fact Jesus was Christ. Therefore, John can be called Christian.
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Interesting.

Would that apply to the OT greats/people/prophets who foresaw the coming of the Messiah as well?
 
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I'm not sure. What do you think?
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I am not sure either.

We know we are saved by grace through faith.
So I assume they were.
Yet I wonder about those who were under the law as to how they were saved.
There may be many who were not aware of the prophecies.
Yet there was a sacrificial system in place where sins covered under the law.
 
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BillG said:
I am not sure either.

We know we are saved by grace through faith.
So I assume they were.
Yet I wonder about those who were under the law as to how they were saved.
There may be many who were not aware of the prophecies.
Yet there was a sacrificial system in place where sins covered under the law.
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In the Old Tedtament, the Torah contains moral laws, which are universal, then there were the ceremonial, and the civil laws.

We are told by God's Word that the fool says in his heart 'there is no God.' Those of the children of Israel and outside of the of Israel either had faith in God or did not.

Are those not of Israel, who knew neither the law nor the prophets writings, saved if they followed the universal maxim of "Do unto others as you would have done unto you", and had faith in creator God? God only knows.
 
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JerryInBoston said:
In the Old Tedtament, the Torah contains moral laws, which are universal, then there were the ceremonial, and the civil laws.

We are told by God's Word that the fool says in his heart 'there is no God.' Those of the children of Israel and outside of the of Israel either had faith in God or did not.

Are those not of Israel, who knew neither the law nor the prophets writings, saved if they followed the universal maxim of "Do unto others as you would have done unto you", and had faith in creator God? God only knows.
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But did the sacrificial laws save those under the law?

Interesting point concerning those not of Israel.
Often pondered that myself.

Of course only God knows if they follow the golden rule then for me it's a bit harsh if they are rejected by God.

They may not know the God we know but in their heart there is a knowledge of God requires?
 
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Why did God strike Uzzah dead for touching the Ark of the Covenant?




Because only Levites can touch the Ark of the Covenant. God chose the Levites because they were pure and worthy.

After the giving of the Torah on Mount Sinai, the Jewish people made and worshipped a golden calf. The only tribe that did not participate in this shameful act was the tribe of Levi. At this time, the firstborn lost their special status, and it was transferred to the Levites.
 
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Was Jesus a Christian? The answer is no. Christian means to be Christ-like. Jesus is already the Christ. Christians try to be like Jesus. Jesus does not try to be like Christians.
 
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4» Name all fourteen of Jacob's sons.

His twelve natural sons were Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar,
Zebulun, Joseph, Benjamin, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, and Asher. (Gen 35:23-26)

His two adopted sons were Manasseh and Ephraim. (Gen 48:5)
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5» What is a Prophet?

The Hebrew word for prophet in the Old Testament is nabiy' (naw-bee')
which isn't limited to big-gun prognosticators like Isaiah, Daniel, and Ezekiel,
rather, it mostly just refers to inspired people-- of either gender --
influenced, moved, and/or guided by a divine connection; e.g. Abel (Luke
11:50-51) Abraham (Gen 20:7) Moses (Deut 18:18) Miriam (Ex 15:20)
Deborah (Judg 4:4) and Huldah (2Kgs 22:14).

People can be inspired and not even know it because God's influence is
supernatural, viz: impossible to detect with the five natural senses of sight,
hearing, touch, taste, and smell.

Every Christian is supposed to be inspired (1Cor 2:11-15, 1Cor 12:7, and
1John 2:26-27) which makes an inspired Bible teacher's job a whole lot
easier.
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6» What Is The Name That Is Above Every Name?

There are several names for God in the Old Testament, but only one that I
know of that's a moniker; and that's Jehovah. (Isa 42:8)

Well then; according to Philippians 2:9-11 Jesus has the God-given right to
use the name of Jehovah for his own personal name; ergo: everyone far and
near, high and low, must bow to Jesus Christ just the same as they would
bow to God. Refusal to do so dishonors the name of God the Father.
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