predestination vs freewill

[OIC1965]

You said predestination isn’t in the Bible, but you typed a verse that uses the word predestined. Predestined is the verbal form of the noun predestination. So you just showed that predestination is in the Bible.

Secondly, God did not foreknowledge every person, because whom He foreknew, He ALSO predestinated, and those He predestination, He ALSO called, justified and glorified.

Your claim sounds like universalism…or you are not fluent in exegesis

Pardon the misspells, autocomplete strikes again.

Your definition of foreknowledge is not correct, at least it cannot be in this context, because whom God foreknew He ALSO predestined, called, justified, and glorified.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

God did not have foreknowledge of every person

So, YOUR "God" is NOT Omniscient {KNOWS Everything from Eternity Past to
ETERNITY Future}, As Does The TRUE God Of The Bible?

 

[OIC1965]

So, YOUR "God" is NOT Omniscient {KNOWS Everything from Eternity Past to
ETERNITY Future}, As Does The TRUE God Of The Bible?

Foreknowledge was a typo. Auto complete.

God did not foreknow every person in the sense that Paul is using the word in this passage.

Whom God foreknew, He ALSO predestined, called, justified, and glorified.

Is this referring to everyone? ( rhetorical question)

 

[OIC1965]

So, YOUR "God" is NOT Omniscient {KNOWS Everything from Eternity Past to
ETERNITY Future}, As Does The TRUE God Of The Bible?

Foreknow in Romans 8:29-30 is not talking about that. If it was, that would mean everyone would get saved, because whom God foreknew, He ALSO predestined, called, justified, and glorified, and we know this is not true for every person.

 

[Kidron]

Please pick an English translation and type or paste Romans 8:30

The predestined in your verse is this.....>"predestined to be conformed".

So, all the born again, are predestined to be conformed......."into the image of Jesus".

They are not predestined to believe. They are not predestined to be born again. They are not predestined to be saved.
The predestination is the end result OF being born again, that concludes with....."being conformed into the image of Christ".
That happens after you die, or in the Rapture.

See, when you are born again on earth, you are already predestined by God to END UP, as = "conformed into the image of Jesus", after you die, or are Raptured.

 

[OIC1965]

You said predestination isn’t in the Bible, but you typed a verse that uses the word predestined. Predestined is the verbal form of the noun predestination. So you just showed that predestination is in the Bible.

Secondly, God did not foreknowledge every person, because whom He foreknew, He ALSO predestinated, and those He predestination, He ALSO called, justified and glorified.

Your claim sounds like universalism…or you are not fluent in exegesis

Also you put predestination after being born again, but if you look at the order in the text, predesination comes before calling and justification. And you don’t have to be saved for God to predestine you

God knew us and loved us before the foundation of the world. Foreknowledge and predestination are before time.

 

[Kidron]

Answer the question? What language Bible shold the Chinese Christians be reading?

Do they speak english and write it on forums like you do?
Then use an english bible, but not the NIV.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Foreknow in Romans 8:29-30 is not talking about that. If it was, that would mean everyone would get saved, because whom God foreknew, He ALSO predestined, called, justified, and glorified, and we know this is not true for every person.

I don't believe God "predestinated {CHOSE} Any to the lake of fire," since CHRIST Died For ALL, and HIS Salvation is OFFERED To ALL, And ALL "will CHOOSE to accept OR REJECT IT," Correct? So then, what Does This Mean, What is it talking about?:

Rom 8:29 For whom He Did Foreknow, He also Did Predestinate to be conformed to the image of HIS SON, that He might be The Firstborn among many brethren.
Rom 8:30 Moreover whom He Did Predestinate, them He also called: and whom He called, them He also justified: and whom He justified, them He also glorified.

 

[Kidron]

You said predestination isn’t in the Bible,

The word is in the NT.
But the Calvinistic theology of "pre-destined" elect, is not in the bible., as i said.
Its just in the mind of Calvinist's.

 

[OIC1965]

The predestined in your verse is this.....>"predestined to be conformed".

So, all the born again, are predestined to be conformed......."into the image of Jesus".

They are not predestined to believe. They are not predestined to be born again. They are not predestined to be saved.
The predestination is the end result OF being born again, that concludes with....."being conformed into the image of Christ".
That happens after you die, or in the Rapture.

See, when you are born again on earth, you are already predestined by God to END UP, as = "conformed into the image of Jesus", after you die, or are Raptured.

Conformed to Christ’s image equals

Sanctification- a progressive work that begins at conversion

Glorification is when this process is completed

In other words, conformed to the image of His Son is salvific language, because only believers are conformed. And according to the text, predestination happens before calling and justification, so it is PRE-CONVERSION.

 

[Mem]

Romans 8:28 And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose.

those who love Him are the foreknown in v.29 and predestined to be conform to his image and also who are called in v.30

 

[OIC1965]

The word is in the NT.
But the Calvinistic theology of "pre-destined" elect, is not in the bible., as i said.
Its just in the mind of Calvinist's.

So you should have said that instead of saying predestination is a lie.

 

[OIC1965]

Romans 8:28 And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose.

those who love Him are the foreknown in v.29 and predestined to be conform to his image and also who are called in v.30

Which comes first, predestination or calling?

 

[OIC1965]

I don't believe God "predestinated {CHOSE} Any to the lake of fire," since CHRIST Died For ALL, and HIS Salvation is OFFERED To ALL, And ALL "will CHOOSE to accept OR REJECT IT," Correct? So then, what Does This Mean, What is it talking about?:

Rom 8:29 For whom He Did Foreknow, He also Did Predestinate to be conformed to the image of HIS SON, that He might be The Firstborn among many brethren.
Rom 8:30 Moreover whom He Did Predestinate, them He also called: and whom He called, them He also justified: and whom He justified, them He also glorified.

I never said I believe in double predestination.

 

[Kidron]

Secondly, God did not foreknowledge

God's Foreknowledge, means that God knows everything before it happens, always.

For example, God's Foreknowledge knew what you were going to be named by your parents.
Yet, He didnt cause them to name you.

Do you have a car?
Have you owned one before?
God knew you would own that one, and all that you've owned.
He didnt cause you to buy them, but He knew you would.

Did you ever trust in Christ?
If so, God knew you would, but He didnt cause it.
He only knew you would. That is "foreknowledge".
And if you are born again, then you are now become, "predestined to be conformed into the image of Christ".

 

[OIC1965]

God's Foreknowledge, means that God knows everything before it happens, always.

For example, God's Foreknowledge knew what you were going to be named by your parents.
Yet, He didnt cause them to name you.

Do you have a car?
Have you owned one before?
God knew you would own that one, and all that you've owned.
He didnt cause you to buy them, but He knew you would.

Did you ever trust in Christ?
If so, God knew you would, but He didnt cause it.
He only knew you would. That is "foreknowledge".

Whom God foreknew, He predestined, called, justified, and glorified.

Paul said it. That settles it.

 

[Mem]

Which comes first, predestination or calling?

the foreknowledge of those who love Him, i.e. respond to His love which is offered to all, comes before predestination and calling.

 

[Kidron]

Conformed to Christ’s image equals

Sanctification- a progressive work that begins at conversion

Glorification is when this process is completed

In other words, conformed to the image of His Son is salvific language, because only believers are conformed. And according to the text, predestination happens before calling and justification, so it is PRE-CONVERSION.

Predestined to be CONFORMED = "Into the image of Jesus".......happens after you are born again..

So, God has created Salvation to END UP, with you "conformed into the image of Christ", in the end.
That is what is predestined..
the "conforming".

You are not predestined to be born again. You are predestined to be CONFORMED INTO The Image of Christ = After you are born again.
The end result of Salvation, is what is "pre-destined", to happen.

 

[OIC1965]

God's Foreknowledge, means that God knows everything before it happens, always.

For example, God's Foreknowledge knew what you were going to be named by your parents.
Yet, He didnt cause them to name you.

Do you have a car?
Have you owned one before?
God knew you would own that one, and all that you've owned.
He didnt cause you to buy them, but He knew you would.

Did you ever trust in Christ?
If so, God knew you would, but He didnt cause it.
He only knew you would. That is "foreknowledge".
And if you are born again, then you are now become, "predestined to be conformed into the image of Christ".

The scriptural order is.

Foreknew
Predestined
Called
Justified
Glorified

Notice that predestination comes BEFORE calling and justification?

Are you saying that you are saved before you are called and justified?

 

[OIC1965]

the foreknowledge of those who love Him, i.e. respond to His love which is offered to all, comes before predestination and calling.

Correct. But I asked if predestination or calling came first.