Biblical Eternal Security vs 'Calvinistic Eternal Security' -by Gregg Jackson

[Kidron]

Are you living in sinless perfection?

Im living born again Spiritually : as "the righteousness of God, In Christ.""

2nd Corinthians 5:21

You should study that verse. and also......Romans 3:21-28

 

[JerryInBoston]

God knew that Lucifer would become Satan.
God knew that "Michael King", would change His name to "Martin Luther King".

There isn't anything that God does not know....including what you will have to eat in the morning.

Your position is then, that God knew in advance that when HE gave man free will, that man was going to use their God given free will to murder, rape, rob, abuse, and commit every sin there is in the world.

Did God also knowing in advance of giving man free will which specific sins each man would commit?

 

[JerryInBoston]

Im living born again Spiritually : as "the righteousness of God, In Christ.""

2nd Corinthians 5:21

You should study that verse. and also......Romans 3:21-28

That's not an answer to my specific question. If you don't admit you're a sinner, what does John say: you call God a liar, and HIS Word is not in you.

 

[Kidron]

Your position is then, that God knew in advance that when HE gave man free will, that man was going to use their God given free will to murder, rape, rob, abuse, and commit every sin there is in the world.

Did God also knowing in advance of giving man free will which specific sins each man would commit?

When you have children........there comes a time when you have to let them go.
About '17-'22 yrs old.......usually....they will leave home and start their independent lives.

So, you raised them. You taught them. You loved them. You did all you could.
Then they go off and end up in jail.
They end up on Drugs or selling drugs.
They end up pregnant and unmarried.
They end up, wrong., often. at least for a while.
Sometimes they end up dead.

Whose fault is it, regarding what we do with our lives. ??????

Its your life.
And you get the life you CHOOSE.
God does not make this choice for you, Jerry.

How did you turn out?
Did you live a perfect life?
Did you ever fornicate, or lie, or cheat, or steal, or hate, or kill anyone?
Did you ever make your parents sorry you were born?

If you did any of that, and all the rest that you did.......God knew you would, and He didn't cause it.
YOU CHOSE IT.
That's 'free will".

 

[Kidron]

That's not an answer to my specific question. If you don't admit you're a sinner, what does John say: you call God a liar, and HIS Word is not in you.

Your post isn't honest.
See....
You didnt ask me if im a sinner. you asked me a juvenile "gotcha" attempt question, regarding "sinless perfection"... that carnal fakirs ask real Christians.

So, if you want to know if i sin, then ask me that question.
Just be honest. No need to try to trap me, as that can't happen, as there is nothing to trap.
See, you can't trap honesty.....all you can do is insinuate against it, or deny it., just like the devil does........

 

[JerryInBoston]

When you have children........there comes a time when you have to let them go.
About '17-'22 yrs old.......usually....they will leave home and start their independent lives.

So, you raised them. You taught them. You loved them. You did all you could.
Then they go off and end up in jail.
They end up on Drugs or selling drugs.
They end up pregnant and unmarried.
They end up, wrong., often. at least for a while.
Sometimes they end up dead.

Whose fault is it, regarding what we do with our lives. ??????

Its your life.
And you get the life you CHOOSE.
God does not make this choice for you, Jerry.

How did you turn out?
Did you live a perfect life?
Did you ever fornicate, or lie, or cheat, or steal, or hate, or kill anyone?
Did you ever make your parents sorry you were born?

If you did any of that, and all the rest that you did.......God knew you would, and He didn't cause it.
YOU CHOSE IT.
That's 'free will".

When you have children........there comes a time when you have to let them go.
About '17-'22 yrs old.......usually....they will leave home and start their independent lives.

So, you raised them. You taught them. You loved them. You did all you could.
Then they go off and end up in jail.
They end up on Drugs or selling drugs.
They end up pregnant and unmarried.
They end up, wrong., often. at least for a while.
Sometimes they end up dead.

Whose fault is it, regarding what we do with our lives. ??????

Its your life.
And you get the life you CHOOSE.
God does not make this choice for you, Jerry.

How did you turn out?
Did you live a perfect life?
Did you ever fornicate, or lie, or cheat, or steal, or hate, or kill anyone?
Did you ever make your parents sorry you were born?

If you did any of that, and all the rest that you did.......God knew you would, and He didn't cause it.
YOU CHOSE IT.
That's 'free will".

If God knew in advance of giving man free will to sin, and God also knew in advance every horrific sin each man would commit, yet God still gave man free will to commit those horrific sins, knowing man would commit those horrific sins, then you are making God out to be the author of sin.

 

[JerryInBoston]

Your post isn't honest.
See....
You didnt ask me if im a sinner. you asked me a juvenile "gotcha" attempt question, regarding "sinless perfection"... that carnal fakirs ask real Christians.

So, if you want to know if i sin, then ask me that question.
Just be honest. No need to try to trap me, as that can't happen, as there is nothing to trap.
See, you can't trap honesty.....all you can do is insinuate against it, or deny it., just like the devil does........

I asked a specific question: are you living in sinless perfection? That question presupposes that you don't sin. It's a simple yes or no answer.

You still can't answer honestly, though, can you.

 

[Kidron]

If God knew in advance of giving man free will to sin, and God also knew in advance every horrifyic sin each man would commit, yet God still gave man free will to commit those horrific sins, knowing man would commit those horrific sins, then you are making God out to be the author of sin.

God is the author of Salvation, not the author of sin.
God came to redeem the world of sin.

Its not wise to accuse God of being the reason for your sin.
Its also not very smart.

 

[Kidron]

I asked a specific question: are you living in sinless perfection? That question presupposes that you don't sin. It's a simple yes or no answer.

You still can't answer honestly, though, can you.

I did answer you.
You just can't understand what it means to be "made righteous', as "the righteousness of God in Christ".
So, its not my answer that is your issue, its your lack of understanding of the term "born again" that is your problem.
You do not understand what it means to be. "in Christ"....."seated in heavenly places".

You do not understand this verse..

"As Jesus IS< so are the born again, IN THIS WORLD".

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So, one more time, and last time.
If you want to ask me if i SIN......then ask that question.

 

[JerryInBoston]

Its not wise to accuse God of being the reason for your sin.
Its also not very smart.

That is what you have done by your own admission. You have admitted that God createdsin when God gifted man freewill knowing in advance of giving man free will that man was going to commit every horrific sin imaginable, of which sins God knew in advance of gifting man free will. You have done the unthinkable, calling God the author of sin.

 

[JerryInBoston]

I did answer you.
You just can't understand what it means to be "made righteous', as "the righteousness of God in Christ".
So, its not my answer that is your issue, its your lack of understanding of the term "born again" that is your problem.
You do not understand what it means to be. "in Christ"....."seated in heavenly places".

You do not understand this verse..

"As Jesus IS< so are the born again, IN THIS WORLD".

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So, one more time, and last time.
If you want to ask me if i SIN......then ask that question.

I know what all of that means.

Do you still sin?

Or are you now living a perfectly sinless life?

 

[Kidron]

You have done the unthinkable, calling God the author of sin.

Your insinuation, is a lie.
Nothing new for you.

You are not able to comprehend why God gives Free will.
So, the reality is, it has to be so, if we are made in the image of God.

Now this evil world, is run buy the God of this world.
You, and not just you, have confused what he does, with God.

 

[JerryInBoston]

Your insinuation, is a lie.
Nothing new for you.

You are not able to comprehend why God gives Free will.
So, the reality is, it has to be so, if we are made in the image of God.

Now this evil world, is run buy the God of this world.
You, and not just you, have confused what he does, with God.

You admitted God created free will knowing in advance of gifting it to man that man would abuse that gift and sin horrible sins. You are calling God the author of sin. Otherwise, however does man commit sin if not by their God given freewill.

 

[Kidron]

I know what all of that means.

Do you still sin?

Or are you now living a perfectly sinless life?

That is 2 questions.

I'll answer them., honestly, as always.

I live my life, as "One with God, in Christ".
That's who i am, and where i exist., Spiritually.
My Born again Spirit, is literally joined to God's Holy Spirit, based on being born again, into the Spirit of God, by God's Holy Spirit.

Now, you also asked """do i still sin."""?

A.) Why would i do that?

 

[JerryInBoston]

That is 2 questions.

I'll answer them., honestly, as always.

I live my live, as "One with God, in Christ".
That's who i am, and where i exist., Spiritually.
My Born again Spirit, is literally joined to God's Holy Spirit, based on being born again, into the Spirit of God, by God's Holy Spirit.

Now, you also asked do i still sin.

A.) Why would i do that?

Yes or No. Do you still sin?

 

[Kidron]

Yes or No. Do you still sin?

Why would i do that? is the honest answer.

Paul teaches....."Christ always gives me the Victory".
See that = "Always"?
That is where i exist, and this is where all Christians are supposed to exist.

Paul teaches, "do not use your liberty for an occasion to the Flesh".

So, i follow Paul. ,as he said....>"be a follower of me, as i follow Christ'.

See, what you believe is because you have a certain lifestyle, that i must have this same.

 

[JerryInBoston]

Why would i do that? is the honest answer.

See, what you believe is because you have a certain lifestyle, that i must have this same.

No. That's not it all. I just wanted to confirm that which I first thought about you: you're phony, you're a hypocrite, you claim you are HIS, but your conduct indicates otherwise. My thought is that you are in a cult of some sort: perhaps seventh day adventist.

 

[JerryInBoston]

Why would i do that? is the honest answer.

Paul teaches....."Christ always gives me the Victory".
See that = "Always"?
That is where i exist, and this is where all Christians are supposed to exist.

Paul teaches, "do not use your liberty for an occasion to the Flesh".

So, i follow Paul. ,as he said....>"be a follower of me, as i follow Christ'.

See, what you believe is because you have a certain lifestyle, that i must have this same.

It's either yes or no. You can't admit that you stumble and sin even a bit, because in your mind you are perfect.

 

[Kidron]

No. That's not it all. I just wanted to confirm that which I first thought about you: you're phony, you're a hypocrite, .

I understand that when you believe that "calling names" and "insulting" without a quote, seems to you to be a way to prove you are not spiritually deceived, is what you just tried.
It failed.

See, you do not understand """born again""", and that is on you, and now you throwing a tantrum of insults, is for me, a yawn.
Believe it.

 

[Justified]

So, do you believe what Jesus said or not?

He said those who believe HAVE eternal life in John 5:24. He also said recipients of eternal life shall never perish in John 10:28.

If you believe salvation can be lost, then how is it possible that you believe what Jesus said???

Those who believe salvation can be lost must jettison both verses, because they REFUTE such an idea.

A person receives the gift of eternal life the MOMENT they believe in Christ for salvation. Therefore, eternal security is based solely on being given the gift.

Lifestyle has NO EFFECT on one's salvation. But lifestyle has a HUGE EFFECT on how God treats His child.

And God is not a casual Parent who isn't paying attention to His children.

Joh 5:24 he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life

Joh 10:28 And I give them eternal life



Now you may have addressed these points at some time latter in this post but when I read through your comments these things came to mind.

1] In Joh 5:24 we see that belief is not a one time thing it is continuous.

2] In Joh 10:28 Jesus gives eternal life He does not force it upon anyone.

Do you feel that the eternal life is a guarantee or is it dependant upon continued faith. In other words can a person at some point reject Christ Jesus?